White House officially Accuses Fauci Of COVID Crimes

[pood]

“The virus possesses a biological characteristic not found in nature.”

@RVonse, this is the very first item on the web site you linked. Italics theirs. Could you explain to us what that is supposed to mean, please?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Lab Leak: The True Origins of Covid-19

Covid 19 Origins - Lab Leak THE ORIGIN “The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” publication — which was used repeatedly by public health officials and the

www.whitehouse.gov

Before Biden left office he made sure Fauci would be protected so no need to wonder about that. But I am wondering what the left leaning people on this board think of this? Do you still believe in what Fauci did during the pandemic? And even more important, do you still feel he was representing your best interest conducting gain of function research before the pandemic? Do you believe the subcommittee research pdf found on the government website represents a biased view?

Was Trump right all along??

I don't know about whether Trump was right, but I know Fauci should be held accountable for crimes against humanity with Covid and long before that. Aids in the 80s for a start. The file below is a PDF, fairly large. You have to download it.

Let's look at that:

Reporting to the President that as many as 2.2 million deaths may result from a pathogen that had not yet been isolated and could not be measured with any accuracy, Dr. Fauci intimidated and coerced the population and the government into reckless, untested, and harmful acts creating irreparable harm to lives and livelihoods.18 Neither the Imperial College nor the “independent” Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (principally funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation)19 had any evidence of success in estimating previous burdens from coronavirus but, without consultation or peer-review, Dr. Fauci adopted their terrifying estimates as the basis for interventions that are explicitly against medical advice.

In other words, his "wrong" was making suggestions based on a "preposterous" estimate--but history shows us that he did an incredible job of getting it right. Assuming the paper didn't just make things up he's estimating 2.2 million, whereas the data I'm finding now is 1.2 million and that's well below what I recall from the past. Being off by only a factor of 2 is doing extremely well given what he had to work with.

In both the Imperial College and the IHME simulations, quarantines were modeled for the sick, not the healthy.

And black is white. Either this guy is a moron who doesn't know what "quarantine" means or it's a deliberate deception.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Rvonse and Barbos (both prone to authoritarian sycophancy) can't easily accept a natural explanation for

I merely agree and parrot the correct and truthful claim that origin in nature was NOT found.
And then combine it with circumstantial evidence which points to a lab leak and conclude that lab leak is more likely. I am ready to change my opinion once they find the source in nature, but so far they failed.

Dude, There are like a billion strains of Covid in nature and as an RNA virus it mutates super fast. You probably can't even find OG 2019 Covid wild in Human populations anymore. You are scientifically illiterate and the evidence you are demanding is stupid.

It went extinct long ago.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I suspect it's only a matter of time the CDC website is going to be replaced with simply an FAQ on the medical benefits of leaches.

They do have a niche use in modern medicine.

And in the old days there were a range of conditions for which they would have been helpful. But in the times of old they weren't able to actually assess when they would be of benefit.

Consider: to this day there is exactly one treatment for hemochromatosis: bloodletting. Done right, you'll live a normal life. Not done, you eventually die of it. And the medical world is stupid about it--the blood taken from a hemochromatosis patient is perfectly good for anyone other than another hemochromatosis patient. It should be marked accordingly and put into the normal blood supply rather than destroyed.

Over here, it is.

A friend of mine with hemochromatosis was a familiar and welcome sight at the blood bank, because they knew that he could be relied upon to donate regularly.

I find it astonishing that any medical system would routinely discard blood from this source. Why would they do that??

I have no comprehension of why our system is messed up about this. They're not given a choice, it's considered biohazard material.

 

[barbos]

Rvonse and Barbos (both prone to authoritarian sycophancy) can't easily accept a natural explanation for

I merely agree and parrot the correct and truthful claim that origin in nature was NOT found.
And then combine it with circumstantial evidence which points to a lab leak and conclude that lab leak is more likely. I am ready to change my opinion once they find the source in nature, but so far they failed.

Dude, There are like a billion strains of Covid in nature and as an RNA virus it mutates super fast. You probably can't even find OG 2019 Covid wild in Human populations anymore. You are scientifically illiterate and the evidence you are demanding is stupid.

It went extinct long ago.

It does not work that way. There must be relatively close genetic relatives of COVID in the wild.
Only very distant were found.

 

[barbos]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

 

[barbos]

Covid blew up because of a mutation that made it spread better amongst humans.

Well, the thing is, it was not a single "mutation". It was a bunch of them happening "simultaneously" it seems.

 

[pood]

Did @RVonse vanish from this thread that he started to promote bullshit?

Larry Moran slaps down lab leak theory.

 

[pood]

@RVonse, what is a “biological characteristic that is not found in nature?”

 

[Harry Bosch]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

 

[barbos]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

 

[bilby]

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

Lack of evidence of something is never adequate evidence of anything.

 

[barbos]

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

Lack of evidence of something is never adequate evidence of anything.

So it IS evidence, just not "adequate".
What is your evidence of natural source?

 

[bilby]

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

Lack of evidence of something is never adequate evidence of anything.

So it IS evidence, just not "adequate".

Yup. Completely and utterly inadequate. I am glad you agree.

What is your evidence of natural source?

I don't have the burden of proof. Natural viruses become problematic all the fucking time. Zoonoses are the most common form of novel disease in humans by far. You are the one spruiking an implausible hypothesis, and you just agreed that you have only inadequate evidence to support it.

You can at this stage either accept that you are wrong, or accept that you are a wild conspiracy theorist who nobody should trust in the slightest.

Based on your form in other discussions, I presume you will go with the latter. Because you appear not only not to care about facts, but indeed to actively strive to cause others to doubt the obvious, in favour of conspiracist nonsense.

 

[barbos]

I don't have the burden of proof.

Actually you do. And people who searched for that evidence and failed thought that too.

Yup. Completely and utterly inadequate. I am glad you agree.

That's your opinion.

 

[barbos]

Based on your form in other discussions, I presume you will go with the latter. Because you appear not only not to care about facts,

You are projecting yourself on others.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

The Wet Market was the evidence. The outbreak near the Wet Market is the evidence. The virus evolved as was expected, by the numbers, trading off virulence for transmissivity. This isn't proof, but it sure the heck is evidence of a natural outbreak.

The fact this disease wasn't particularly deadly isn't evidence of lab leak. There was little consensus that the virus was modified after review, which also speaks against a lab leak. Again, not proof, but the evidence for a lab leak isn't strong. And a lab leak (or FOREIGN SOURCE) is old school pandemic paranoia bullshit.

 

[Harry Bosch]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

The Wet Market was the evidence. The outbreak near the Wet Market is the evidence. The virus evolved as was expected, by the numbers, trading off virulence for transmissivity. This isn't proof, but it sure the heck is evidence of a natural outbreak.

The fact this disease wasn't particularly deadly isn't evidence of lab leak. There was little consensus that the virus was modified after review, which also speaks against a lab leak. Again, not proof, but the evidence for a lab leak isn't strong. And a lab leak (or FOREIGN SOURCE) is old school pandemic paranoia bullshit.

Well put. Again, from what I read, most people stack the odds that it is lab created at 33%; 66% natural. But we'll probably never know for sure. The interesting part to me is why it is so important to right wingers that it is lab created?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Indeed. Many of the lab leak folk have both insisted Covid wasn't a big deal, Government overstepped its bounds, stole our freedom and THIS IS ALL CHINA'S AND FAUCI'S FAULT!!!!

 

[barbos]

You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.

No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.

That's not the way science works. You are asserting the unusual: that it's not natural. The burden of proof is on you.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks and accidents. Happens all the time. I heard a few credible second hand (from people in the business) horror stories from the top russian lab dealing with extremely deadly pathogens. I lived near it.

No, that's exactly how science work. We have two plausible hypotheses and tried to select best one using evidence. And evidence point toward lab leak. However It's politically inconvenient for top medical circle in the US.

What is the evidence?

Lack of evidence of natural source is the evidence of lab leak.

The Wet Market was the evidence. The outbreak near the Wet Market is the evidence. The virus evolved as was expected, by the numbers, trading off virulence for transmissivity. This isn't proof, but it sure the heck is evidence of a natural outbreak.

The fact this disease wasn't particularly deadly isn't evidence of lab leak. There was little consensus that the virus was modified after review, which also speaks against a lab leak. Again, not proof, but the evidence for a lab leak isn't strong. And a lab leak (or FOREIGN SOURCE) is old school pandemic paranoia bullshit.

You are being partisan.