barbos
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They have been (unsuccessfully) trying to find that "bat" in the wild nature since forever.
It's time to admit that lab leak is more likely than "natural" explanation.
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It's time to admit that lab leak is more likely than "natural" explanation.
barbos
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Gain-of-function research does not necessarily involve heavy gene editing.
It could be all natural "let's infect this bat with these two rare strains and hope for the worst"
Harry Bosch
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A majority of scientists believe that the virus came from a wet market and that it is natural. Lab generated (and then leaked) viruses are generally easier to identify and look lab generated. For example, most are related and easily traced (again I'm not a scientist so forgive my bad lingo). For example, if Covid was made in a lab, we'd expect to covid version 1; covid version 2, covid version 3 and etc. We don't see that. Covid is completely unique.
But I'm open to better evidence. But I tire of hearing of fantastic with no evidence. Where are the new peer reviewed papers that state that it came from a lab? Below is a good summary of why the CIA today believes that it is lab released:
https://time.com/7210348/covid-19-cia-lab-leak-conclusion/
Harry Bosch
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Sure. I'm not disagreeing. I'm not the one making the positive claim. Based on everything that I've seen and read, it seems more likely that it was naturally created, not leaked from a lab. We'll probably never know for sure. But it is Trump that is making the positive claim: it was leaked from a lab in Wuhan. Okay fine, where is the evidence for this?
barbos
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One more time, gain-of-function done in lab is indistinguishable from "naturally" created in nature. And since nothing close enough to COVID was found in the wild nature one has to conclude that it was a lab leak.
To claim it was all natural you need to find it in the wild.
Harry Bosch
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Niet. Reread my comments above. I didn’t claim that it was naturally evolved. We don’t know for sure. We’ll probably never know for sure. IMO, it’s 66/33 natural. Megaers claim that it’s lab released. All I’m saying is to show the evidence.
barbos
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You absolutely did claim it was not a lab leak.
barbos
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You are not special, you have to show evidence for your claim too.
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No, the person who claims lab leak has the burden of proof. Zoonosis is common.
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As a reminder, Trump signed off on Project Warp Speed to develop a vaccine. Trump told Woodward he thought the virus was a real threat.
Lab Leak: The True Origins of Covid-19
Covid 19 Origins - Lab Leak THE ORIGIN “The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” publication — which was used repeatedly by public health officials and thewww.whitehouse.gov
Before Biden left office he made sure Fauci would be protected so no need to wonder about that. But I am wondering what the left leaning people on this board think of this? Do you still believe in what Fauci did during the pandemic? And even more important, do you still feel he was representing your best interest conducting gain of function research before the pandemic? Do you believe the subcommittee research pdf found on the government website represents a biased view?
Was Trump right all along??
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As noted in the email communications between some of the top people in virology actually thought there was a strong likelihood that it was lab modified.
Fauci et al made this a priority, to determine whether the initial suspicion, which was based on analysis of the virus and not Fox News, was accurate as it would be very important in developing mitigation plans. Those people, not Harry Bosch, concluded it was likely natural and a novel virus to Humans.
Organizations suggesting it was a leak from a lab were generally Intelligence organizations that don't specialize in virology.
barbos
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Actually there is plenty indirect evidence of that.
You need provide evidence of that. And people tried and failed badly at that.
So we have some indirect evidence of lab leak and none whosoever of wild nature source.
barbos
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This is a classical distortion of reality. Yes, early on it was suggested it could have been engineered via gene editing and quickly determined that it was not the case. But as I said before it does not disprove lab leak theory at all. For the third time, Gain-Of-Function experiments do not normally involve artificial gene editing, hence don't leave any evidence of that.
barbos
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And organizations which specialize in virology tried to hide the fact that they were funding Gain-Of-Function research in China. Country known for the lack of safety anywhere and everywhere.
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barbos
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Yes, they are. And yet they failed to find close enough COVID relatives in the wild.
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barbos
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No, you needed to provide evidence of COVID natural source in the wild.You said I needed to provide evidence zoonotic diseases are common. Now you agree that they are.