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White woman calls the cops on black Georgia man for babysitting two white kids

The situation for the woman was unusual. So she panicked. The odd thing is the guy indicated that she was creeping out the kids.

Had the man been white, nothing would have happened as white male with two white children isn't exactly something you don't see.

And you don't want to not report something for fear of looking stupid. The problem is, in this day and age, that shouldn't be considered that unusual. And if the children don't appear to be in distress, might be best to assume it is normal.

It's not like Georgia has any shortage of mixed marriages or biracial children, and I don't think that most kidnappers take their kidnappees out to eat at Subway in a public location. Shouldn't the dispatcher have screened the call for basic details like whether there was anything to indicate the children were in distress or in some way uncomfortable around him?
Once the cops are involved... had they been kidnapped and they didn't respond... the hell that would rain down on them. But it isn't as if a SWAT was sent.

Whether it's his business or his family situation that puts him in contact with children who are a different skin color, it seems like a pretty undue burden that he should have to be subject to a welfare check by cops based on any random person's unparticularized feeling that a situation is unusual. This could potentially happen multiple times a day every day. If they want to send someone to observe the situation that's one thing, but he's actually being accosted and the childrens' parents are being called.
Well, for a business he can advertise he's been vetted by the Police. :D
 
Once the cops are involved... had they been kidnapped and they didn't respond... the hell that would rain down on them. But it isn't as if a SWAT was sent.

Whether it's his business or his family situation that puts him in contact with children who are a different skin color, it seems like a pretty undue burden that he should have to be subject to a welfare check by cops based on any random person's unparticularized feeling that a situation is unusual. This could potentially happen multiple times a day every day. If they want to send someone to observe the situation that's one thing, but he's actually being accosted and the childrens' parents are being called.
Well, for a business he can advertise he's been vetted by the Police. :D

So what you are saying is that if someone saw you in say, a restaraunt or park with your children, you wouldn't feel any justified anger about someone calling the police on you? That there would be no fear or worry about the police taking your children from their father and holding them in a strange police station surrounded by violent criminals and some people they arrested for dealing drugs? That you wouldn't have any worry about the police not believing what you tell them about your children being yours, or worse, the possibility that today is the day your child decides to pull a "no he isn't my daddy" because you didn't spring for ice cream when they thew a tantrum five minutes ago?
 
Once the cops are involved... had they been kidnapped and they didn't respond... the hell that would rain down on them. But it isn't as if a SWAT was sent.

Whether it's his business or his family situation that puts him in contact with children who are a different skin color, it seems like a pretty undue burden that he should have to be subject to a welfare check by cops based on any random person's unparticularized feeling that a situation is unusual. This could potentially happen multiple times a day every day. If they want to send someone to observe the situation that's one thing, but he's actually being accosted and the childrens' parents are being called.
Well, for a business he can advertise he's been vetted by the Police. :D

So what you are saying is that if someone saw you in say, a restaraunt or park with your children, you wouldn't feel any justified anger about someone calling the police on you?
Did I even remotely indicate that? I said, once the police are contacted, they almost have to do something. If those kids weren't his and never seen again, the Department would have been sued to dissolution. I'm not going to get upset if an officer follows up, and in the course apologizes for the ridiculous call in. The person in the wrong is the woman who apparently hasn't been exposed to much in her life or is a racist ass.
 
So what you are saying is that if someone saw you in say, a restaraunt or park with your children, you wouldn't feel any justified anger about someone calling the police on you?
Did I even remotely indicate that? I said, once the police are contacted, they almost have to do something. If those kids weren't his and never seen again, the Department would have been sued to dissolution. I'm not going to get upset if an officer follows up, and in the course apologizes for the ridiculous call in. The person in the wrong is the woman who apparently hasn't been exposed to much in her life or is a racist ass.

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Once the cops are involved... had they been kidnapped and they didn't respond... the hell that would rain down on them. But it isn't as if a SWAT was sent.

Sending a cop to observe the situation, and not immediately stopping the guy, would be a response. They could then observe and record (dashcam or bodycam) to see if anything indicated a crime was happening and act accordingly. A call doesn't equal the assumption that a crime is being committed https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/591493b1add7b049345af22b
 
Once the cops are involved... had they been kidnapped and they didn't respond... the hell that would rain down on them. But it isn't as if a SWAT was sent.

Sending a cop to observe the situation, and not immediately stopping the guy, would be a response. They could then observe and record (dashcam or bodycam) to see if anything indicated a crime was happening and act accordingly. A call doesn't equal the assumption that a crime is being committed https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/591493b1add7b049345af22b
Certainly, a good deal of a proper attitude from the officer is what is going to make the difference here. Walking into it saying, 'we got a call, and I have to ask you these questions...' verses, 'We want documentation!!!!!!'
 
Once the cops are involved... had they been kidnapped and they didn't respond... the hell that would rain down on them. But it isn't as if a SWAT was sent.

Sending a cop to observe the situation, and not immediately stopping the guy, would be a response. They could then observe and record (dashcam or bodycam) to see if anything indicated a crime was happening and act accordingly. A call doesn't equal the assumption that a crime is being committed https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/591493b1add7b049345af22b
Certainly, a good deal of a proper attitude from the officer is what is going to make the difference here. Walking into it saying, 'we got a call, and I have to ask you these questions...' verses, 'We want documentation!!!!!!'

And this leads into the second prong of how this is fucked up: there's police discretion currently as to which of those options is pursued.
 
Man, so many echoes close to home here. I'm one of those guys who dreads the eventual day wherein I am out in public and someone thinks my hobo-lookin self is perving on my own kids.

Happened to a guy I know. On the school run, dropped his kid off about half a block away because of the build up of traffic. He catches up to his kid, who has now turned the corner and is saying stuff to his kid through the open window. The kid is oblivious. He drives about two blocks and is pulled over by the police asking him what he was doing at the school. The cops hadn't seen him drop the kid off round the corner.
 
Man, so many echoes close to home here. I'm one of those guys who dreads the eventual day wherein I am out in public and someone thinks my hobo-lookin self is perving on my own kids.

Happened to a guy I know. On the school run, dropped his kid off about half a block away because of the build up of traffic. He catches up to his kid, who has now turned the corner and is saying stuff to his kid through the open window. The kid is oblivious. He drives about two blocks and is pulled over by the police asking him what he was doing at the school. The cops hadn't seen him drop the kid off round the corner.
As a white person, I kind of forget sometimes just how many times the cops have been called on me, not that it has been many.

- That time I was waiting for a crew to arrive, apparently at a school bus stop, that led to someone making a call.
- That time I was getting well readings and several police cars showed up because someone noticed me.
- That time in Bratenahl (uber-wealthy area) looking at site for a project, and cop asked for an ID, business card, etc... (though I don't think he was called, he was driving around)

Of course, being white might have helped them believe me when I told them what I was doing.
 
I'm white, and when I'm out and about with my children, I regularly get reported to the police. I really should be more careful as to where and when I practice my strong belief that smacking is good for kids . Also, I need to remember to stay well out of sight when getting them to beg money from passers by. :(
 
The Rotherham child abuse story is quite a bit over the top compared to the situation in the OP, but there is some commonality in that we see there is great shame heaped on people who report to police when a minority male figure is seen with a white child. What if instead of a black man, it was a Pakistani man walking around with a white child? Would we still feel the same way, or are we more suspicious of that situation? I don't have the answer, but maybe those more enlightened than me can figure it out.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/newcastle-sex-ring-child-abuse-racist-rotherham-mp-sarah-champion-labour-asian-gang-community-a7885486.html

Pressed further, the Rotherham MP added: “I genuinely think that it’s because more people are afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse.”
 
The Rotherham child abuse story is quite a bit over the top compared to the situation in the OP, but there is some commonality in that we see there is great shame heaped on people who report to police when a minority male figure is seen with a white child. What if instead of a black man, it was a Pakistani man walking around with a white child? Would we still feel the same way, or are we more suspicious of that situation? I don't have the answer, but maybe those more enlightened than me can figure it out.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/newcastle-sex-ring-child-abuse-racist-rotherham-mp-sarah-champion-labour-asian-gang-community-a7885486.html

Pressed further, the Rotherham MP added: “I genuinely think that it’s because more people are afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse.”

Well why stop there? Some three quarters of men serving time in US prison for sex crimes against children are white. Shouldn't we be calling police any time we see a white guy near children? Indeed these crimes most frequently happen among victims and criminals of the same race, so a white guy around white children is doubly suspicious. Won't someone please think of the children?
 
If the man in the OP article had been a woman, it is doubtful that police would have been called. A black (or Hispanic or Asian or other brown person) woman with white or white appearing children would be seen as the children's caretaker, even if she is their family member by blood or marriage.

A white man would probably not have been questioned much. Assuming the children were well dressed, clean, and behaving well, he would have been greatly admired for taking an interest in his own children.
 
The Rotherham child abuse story is quite a bit over the top compared to the situation in the OP, but there is some commonality in that we see there is great shame heaped on people who report to police when a minority male figure is seen with a white child. What if instead of a black man, it was a Pakistani man walking around with a white child? Would we still feel the same way, or are we more suspicious of that situation? I don't have the answer, but maybe those more enlightened than me can figure it out.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/newcastle-sex-ring-child-abuse-racist-rotherham-mp-sarah-champion-labour-asian-gang-community-a7885486.html

Pressed further, the Rotherham MP added: “I genuinely think that it’s because more people are afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse.”

Well why stop there? Some three quarters of men serving time in US prison for sex crimes against children are white. Shouldn't we be calling police any time we see a white guy near children? Indeed these crimes most frequently happen among victims and criminals of the same race, so a white guy around white children is doubly suspicious. Won't someone please think of the children?

But then its no longer being reported as a racist incident, which is the crux of the OP and the Rotherham situation.
 
Ah so we're talking about reporting racist incidents and not really talking about protecting children then - I suppose from that perspective not calling police on white guys makes sense
 
Ah so we're talking about reporting racist incidents and not really talking about protecting children then - I suppose from that perspective not calling police on white guys makes sense

Of course white men abduct and abuse children, but the fact is that if the child and adult male are of the same race, the odds are much more likely that its a father, uncle, etc. Just a fact. And there are plenty of real world examples of people calling cops on same race men in the vicinity of children. I recall a story recently where an amateur single, male photographer was taking pictures of kids playing at a playground and had the cops called on him. So it does happen. As I said, I don't have the answer to these types of questions. I guess it boils down to evaluating the downsides of offending someone versus a child being harmed. Not an easy answer, IMHO.
 
Ah so we're talking about reporting racist incidents and not really talking about protecting children then - I suppose from that perspective not calling police on white guys makes sense

Of course white men abduct and abuse children, but the fact is that if the child and adult male are of the same race, the odds are much more likely that its a father, uncle, etc. Just a fact. And there are plenty of real world examples of people calling cops on same race men in the vicinity of children. I recall a story recently where an amateur single, male photographer was taking pictures of kids playing at a playground and had the cops called on him. So it does happen. As I said, I don't have the answer to these types of questions. I guess it boils down to evaluating the downsides of offending someone versus a child being harmed. Not an easy answer, IMHO.

So now this is going to seem like a wild proposition, but maybe people could actually observe for signs that the child is actually in distress. Things like the guy loading small children into a car without car seats, kids who are getting rushed from a car indoors, children looking around uneasily or avoiding eye contact with others, marks or other signs of abuse. It's usually pretty easy to tell when a child is uneasy around an older person with a modicum of observation. The knock on benefit is that this actually works when they are with blood relatives who are abusive, or simply for situations where they are from the same racial stock.

And the probabilistic assessment seems a little off - a guy is sitting with kids in a public location having lunch regardless of race is much more likely to be a father, or uncle, or caretaker because that is an incredibly common scenario and unlikely to be a kidnapper because that is an exceedingly rare scenario. A sex trafficker who needs to feed his captives will be buying food and bringing it back to the car or the house, not taking them to a location where they could run away to where people could intervene and help the kids. 'Stranger Danger' in general is an incredibly uncommon scenario for abuse.

And for all the sturm und drang - no one would be willing to legislate some requirement that mixed race families get additional scrutiny because it's clearly both insane and unconstitutional. And ineffective. One of these days a nervous cop is going to get peppered into one of these encounters and we'll really see the fruits of what this thinking of the children sows. Even short of that, biracial children being involved in multiple police encounters or harassment by wackos while they're just going about their lives, or alternatively being unable to ever be in public with just their father has a serious downside. And I'd suspect the probability this happens is much higher than the number of kidnappers who have been foiled when they took their captives to lunch in public.

Indeed with the Rotherham case I'm sure there were multiple signs of a problem beyond a difference in race which were ignored.

EDIT: And just to emphasize - this was a Subway in Walmart. Next to the police station and a doughnut shop, Walmart is probably the next most likely place in America to be in close proximity to a police officer.
 
Ah so we're talking about reporting racist incidents and not really talking about protecting children then - I suppose from that perspective not calling police on white guys makes sense

Of course white men abduct and abuse children, but the fact is that if the child and adult male are of the same race, the odds are much more likely that its a father, uncle, etc. Just a fact. And there are plenty of real world examples of people calling cops on same race men in the vicinity of children. I recall a story recently where an amateur single, male photographer was taking pictures of kids playing at a playground and had the cops called on him. So it does happen. As I said, I don't have the answer to these types of questions. I guess it boils down to evaluating the downsides of offending someone versus a child being harmed. Not an easy answer, IMHO.

So now this is going to seem like a wild proposition, but maybe people could actually observe for signs that the child is actually in distress. Things like the guy loading small children into a car without car seats, kids who are getting rushed from a car indoors, children looking around uneasily or avoiding eye contact with others, marks or other signs of abuse. It's usually pretty easy to tell when a child is uneasy around an older person with a modicum of observation. The knock on benefit is that this actually works when they are with blood relatives who are abusive, or simply for situations where they are from the same racial stock.

And the probabilistic assessment seems a little off - a guy is sitting with kids in a public location having lunch regardless of race is much more likely to be a father, or uncle, or caretaker because that is an incredibly common scenario and unlikely to be a kidnapper because that is an exceedingly rare scenario. A sex trafficker who needs to feed his captives will be buying food and bringing it back to the car or the house, not taking them to a location where they could run away to where people could intervene and help the kids. 'Stranger Danger' in general is an incredibly uncommon scenario for abuse.

And for all the sturm und drang - no one would be willing to legislate some requirement that mixed race families get additional scrutiny because it's clearly both insane and unconstitutional. And ineffective. One of these days a nervous cop is going to get peppered into one of these encounters and we'll really see the fruits of what this thinking of the children sows. Even short of that, biracial children being involved in multiple police encounters or harassment by wackos while they're just going about their lives, or alternatively being unable to ever be in public with just their father has a serious downside. And I'd suspect the probability this happens is much higher than the number of kidnappers who have been foiled when they took their captives to lunch in public.

Indeed with the Rotherham case I'm sure there were multiple signs of a problem beyond a difference in race which were ignored.

EDIT: And just to emphasize - this was a Subway in Walmart. Next to the police station and a doughnut shop, Walmart is probably the next most likely place in America to be in close proximity to a police officer.

Yeah, well kids are often in distress with their own parents. How often have you seen kids crying and rejecting their parents' demands (No! I won't go! Leave me alone!!...Waaahh!!) to leave the store, library, park, etc. Its not always that easy to tell if something truly awful is happening, or its an every day tantrum. And some kids who have been kidnapped maintain their composure out of fear of harm by their kidnapper. But, you are right that abduction by a stranger is extraordinarily rare, fortunately. We live in a very diverse, multicultural society these days, and the fact is, there are going to be these kinds of mishaps and misunderstandings occasionally. I think we do need to cut people a break who have made the wrong call on these situations, and give them the benefit of the doubt that they were doing it in the child's best interest and not out of racial or gender malice. Jumping to conclusions and posting the "racist incident" on social media doesn't really help anyone, does it? And if you want to avoid a possible confrontation, it helps to be aware of how things could look when you're in the presence of young kids. Don't be like Sheldon!:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waT7nz4sAoI[/YOUTUBE]
 
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