Who is denying Gaza water?

[Derec]

Hamas was able to provide the people with things Israel denied them.

Things like this, you mean.

 

[fromderinside]

Hamas was able to provide the people with things Israel denied them.

Things like this, you mean.

It's good to see what Israel doesn't doesn't provide on them as well. Since it's so much I'll just let you peruse  Military Equipment of Israel to see what Israel will use on Hamas and other Palestinians if they use those cute little rockets. Or are they just photographs taken from a fireworks display at an an NFL game?

 

[sharon45]

Yet it is not anywhere near in a vacuum. This little conflict has been very well publicized, by all sides, for such a long time. Are the people of Gaza going to also assert that Israel rigged the election so that Hamas is in power?

Hamas was able to provide the people with things Israel denied them.

If Israel had not been crushing the economy of Gaza Hamas would have no popularity.

Ah, this suspiciously sounds akin to fighting fire with fire, instead of water.
As I've said, they are not really living in a vacuum; they should honestly know enough about these things.

 

[untermensche]

Hamas was able to provide the people with things Israel denied them.

Things like this, you mean.

Well, when you are being oppressed you don't mind the oppressor getting a taste of their own medicine now and then.

But Hamas provided social services.

That is how they gained support.

But the only reason they needed any services is because a tyrannical terrorist external power is oppressing and crushing them.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

At the end of the day Palestinians are or are not citizens of Israel. If they are, then they need to be treated as citizens with equal rights, and not discriminated against because they are born in a particular region of the country. Terrorism from "palestinian territory" should be treated as a police action, and the general population should not be punished for what a few criminals do.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah. Hamas diverted the concrete for repairs so the places remain as rubble.

And most of those places that ended up as rubble were being used by Hamas, or were too close to buried things being used by Hamas. (Bomb a tunnel and the nearby buildings suffer.)

No. Israel decides how much cement gets through.

What part of "diverted" did you not understand?

And Israel knows if it limits cement it will harm Palestinians.

That is what apartheid policies are all about.

And Israel knows that if it doesn't limit cement that it will harm Israel. Israel is under no obligation to allow *any* cement in.

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Unfortunately, there are basically no neutral sites.

Most news sites listen to the demographics: 100x more Muslims than Jews, slanting the news is simply good business sense. Not to mention the rampant anti-semitism.

Note that he links to the original--not something he would be likely to do if it didn't support what he was saying. It's just most of us don't read Arabic. (And what little of it I have fed to Google comes back pretty hard to understand.)

You can find plenty pro-Israel slanted news. It isn't completely shaded one way or the other. And even the news most shaded pro-Israel, even Israeli propaganda itself, admits to treating palestinians as second class citizens. Rarely do you see a call for a unified country, equal rights, etc or a call for a separate and equal nation. Such notions of fairness and basic human rights are dressed up as genocide of Jews. And mistreatment of palestinian people is always rebutted with grouping all palestinians together and labeling them all terrorist (bigotry).

You need a new yardstick.

A call for a unified country is a call for the extirpation of the Jews. No source that isn't rabidly anti-Israel will call for it. (Unless they don't bother with reality.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I would like to see a more neutral source of this news from the OP. That site cited above is dripping with bias.

According to this, the plant is up and running.

...and this

...and this from 2016.

Either the OP source didn't do any vetting of its source or, considering the bias, is just plain bullshitting its (probably targeted) American audience with propaganda.

And there's only one plant possible??

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yet it is not anywhere near in a vacuum. This little conflict has been very well publicized, by all sides, for such a long time. Are the people of Gaza going to also assert that Israel rigged the election so that Hamas is in power?

Hamas was able to provide the people with things Israel denied them.

If Israel had not been crushing the economy of Gaza Hamas would have no popularity.

Hamas hasn't provided for the people. They were elected on empty promises and haven't permitted another election since.

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Things like this, you mean.

It's good to see what Israel doesn't doesn't provide on them as well. Since it's so much I'll just let you peruse  Military Equipment of Israel to see what Israel will use on Hamas and other Palestinians if they use those cute little rockets. Or are they just photographs taken from a fireworks display at an an NFL game?

In other words, you want the Palestinians to kill the Jews.

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But Hamas provided social services.

That is how they gained support.

But the only reason they needed any services is because a tyrannical terrorist external power is oppressing and crushing them.

Social services? You mean like we will rebuild your house if you allow us to store rockets in it? Which of course puts the house on the target list next time around.

 

[ZiprHead]

According to this, the plant is up and running.

...and this

...and this from 2016.

Either the OP source didn't do any vetting of its source or, considering the bias, is just plain bullshitting its (probably targeted) American audience with propaganda.

And there's only one plant possible??

It's your OP, remember. The one that provided virtually no information except allegations. You were asked for a better source and hand swiped the request away. So I went looking myself. I found the plant in Khan Younis (the place your OP said it was at) that can supply water to 90,000 people. No mention of any other plant in dispute in Khan Younis in any of the many links I looked at.

So, again, why should we buy what your biased source is selling? I'm willing to believe you if you've got something better.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

A call for a unified country is a call for the extirpation of the Jews. No source that isn't rabidly anti-Israel will call for it. (Unless they don't bother with reality.)

And yet I don't see you pushing very hard for a fair two state solution. Are you in support of that? The apartheid second class citizen approach isn't consistent with any claim of fair dealing, democracy, or other western values that so many supporters of Israel seem to hold dear.

 

[sharon45]

A call for a unified country is a call for the extirpation of the Jews. No source that isn't rabidly anti-Israel will call for it. (Unless they don't bother with reality.)

And yet I don't see you pushing very hard for a fair two state solution. Are you in support of that? The apartheid second class citizen approach isn't consistent with any claim of fair dealing, democracy, or other western values that so many supporters of Israel seem to hold dear.

Even Netanyahu has called plenty of times for a two-state solution, but honestly wanting it is an entirely different matter.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

And yet I don't see you pushing very hard for a fair two state solution. Are you in support of that? The apartheid second class citizen approach isn't consistent with any claim of fair dealing, democracy, or other western values that so many supporters of Israel seem to hold dear.

Even Netanyahu has called plenty of times for a two-state solution, but honestly wanting it is an entirely different matter.

True, and failing to make it happen while being a dominant power, is proof enough that Netanyahu isn't being honest. He's just keeping the status quo, with means keeping the prison colonies going and keeping people being 2nd class citizens.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A call for a unified country is a call for the extirpation of the Jews. No source that isn't rabidly anti-Israel will call for it. (Unless they don't bother with reality.)

And yet I don't see you pushing very hard for a fair two state solution. Are you in support of that? The apartheid second class citizen approach isn't consistent with any claim of fair dealing, democracy, or other western values that so many supporters of Israel seem to hold dear.

I see no point in pushing for the impossible. The Palestinians aren't interested in peace with Israel surviving.

The one thing that I think might be remotely possible would be a three-state solution. Israel declares that they will consider Gaza and the West Bank to be separate states. Forget about peace with Gaza but peace with the West Bank just might be possible.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Even Netanyahu has called plenty of times for a two-state solution, but honestly wanting it is an entirely different matter.

True, and failing to make it happen while being a dominant power, is proof enough that Netanyahu isn't being honest. He's just keeping the status quo, with means keeping the prison colonies going and keeping people being 2nd class citizens.

Leftist non-thinking detected.

Being the more powerful isn't a magic spell that can make everything happen.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Being the more powerful isn't a magic spell that can make everything happen.

I didn't say everything. I said this, and Israel can easily do this. What do you think the chances are of Israel declaring Palestine an independent nation, with complete self rule? Not going to happen, is it?

Far more likely to keep claiming Palestinian land as part of Israel and continue to abuse and restrict the rights and movement of people because of where they are born, while somehow pretending to hold moral high ground, and while continuing to push Holocaust guilt to keep critics silent.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Being the more powerful isn't a magic spell that can make everything happen.

I didn't say everything. I said this, and Israel can easily do this. What do you think the chances are of Israel declaring Palestine an independent nation, with complete self rule? Not going to happen, is it?

Far more likely to keep claiming Palestinian land as part of Israel and continue to abuse and restrict the rights and movement of people because of where they are born, while somehow pretending to hold moral high ground, and while continuing to push Holocaust guilt to keep critics silent.

You said "and failing to make it happen while being a dominant power, is proof enough". The only way that's proof of anything is if being more powerful makes you omnipotent.

This is a standard liberal delusion.