Who is denying Gaza water?

[LordKiran]

Why does it have to be a competition exactly?

It does not have to be, but I think we learn and grow much better in competition.

Can't there be prisoners with varying degrees of treatment? Also can people not be metaphorical prisoners as opposed to prisoners in the strictly literal sense?

Of course. Precisely why I feel that Gaza is nowhere near being the largest jail.

Are the denizens of Gaza allowed to travel freely unaccosted?

 

[untermensche]

And the whole world sees this except a few right wing morons in the US.

Then this would mean that you all could easily do something to stop it, yet seem to be inflicted by a very major case of something else.

What has stopped the world from doing anything is the US at the UN. The US has been the sole vote against the entire Security Council, the entire UN, on matter after matter in regard to the continual crimes of Israel.

Israel has also been given weapons worth billions and billions.

Israel is basically a US outpost. A US fort in the ME.

 

[sharon45]

Then this would mean that you all could easily do something to stop it, yet seem to be inflicted by a very major case of something else.

What has stopped the world from doing anything is the US at the UN. The US has been the sole vote against the entire Security Council, the entire UN, on matter after matter in regard to the continual crimes of Israel.

Israel has also been given weapons worth billions and billions.

Israel is basically a US outpost. A US fort in the ME.

Great to figure out who you might be up against, now devise what you are going to do about it, besides spitting in the wind.

 

[sharon45]

It does not have to be, but I think we learn and grow much better in competition.

Can't there be prisoners with varying degrees of treatment? Also can people not be metaphorical prisoners as opposed to prisoners in the strictly literal sense?

Of course. Precisely why I feel that Gaza is nowhere near being the largest jail.

Are the denizens of Gaza allowed to travel freely unaccosted?

Freely and unaccosted are just general terms, they need to be more defined.

 

[LordKiran]

It does not have to be, but I think we learn and grow much better in competition.

Can't there be prisoners with varying degrees of treatment? Also can people not be metaphorical prisoners as opposed to prisoners in the strictly literal sense?

Of course. Precisely why I feel that Gaza is nowhere near being the largest jail.

Are the denizens of Gaza allowed to travel freely unaccosted?

Freely and unaccosted are just general terms, they need to be more defined.

Does a foreign entity control and restrict travel within Gaza?

 

[untermensche]

What has stopped the world from doing anything is the US at the UN. The US has been the sole vote against the entire Security Council, the entire UN, on matter after matter in regard to the continual crimes of Israel.

Israel has also been given weapons worth billions and billions.

Israel is basically a US outpost. A US fort in the ME.

Great to figure out who you might be up against, now devise what you are going to do about it, besides spitting in the wind.

The US should stop shielding the criminal state of Israel from facing the consequences of it's crimes.

That is step one.

 

[ZiprHead]

I would like to see a more neutral source of this news from the OP. That site cited above is dripping with bias.

 

[sharon45]

It does not have to be, but I think we learn and grow much better in competition.

Can't there be prisoners with varying degrees of treatment? Also can people not be metaphorical prisoners as opposed to prisoners in the strictly literal sense?

Of course. Precisely why I feel that Gaza is nowhere near being the largest jail.

Are the denizens of Gaza allowed to travel freely unaccosted?

Freely and unaccosted are just general terms, they need to be more defined.

Does a foreign entity control and restrict travel within Gaza?

Which is part of the dispute. Some could say that Hamas is a foreign entity controlling and restricting travel.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As long as Israel suppresses the economy of GAZA and strangles it these kinds of issues will arise.

Let these people build their economy and they will not have to ask permission from anybody to build needed infrastructure.

Israel maintains GAZA as the worlds largest jail.

Of course in an unsupervised jail the worst elements can take control.

Israel WANTS these bad elements to maintain control.

So it can use them as an excuse to continue their endless oppression.

Israel strangles the Gaza economy?? More like Hamas strangles it!

And these days the Palestinian Authority has been deliberately strangling it as part of the Hamas/Fatah dispute.

A strangled Gaza economy means no choices for the people but to work for Hamas. The only beneficiaries are Hamas and the Islamists, why don't you figure they're the ones doing it?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not even minimum security prisons have beach resorts like this one in Gaza City.

A prison is defined not by what is inside, but by the fact that people are forbidden to leave.

Israel doesn't forbid them from leaving. Israel simply forbids most of them from entering Israel. There's the Egyptian crossing also. (Not that Egypt wants any more of the Palestinians than Israel does. It's rather moot, anyway, as Hamas generally only issues passports to their supporters.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Shopping Malls are popular in poor countries (e.g. Philippines, Venezuela, and recently India which is the most undeveloped). This is a place where people from run down areas can go and often walk around and perhaps purchase something small.

Gaza has a huge trade deficit as it imports far more than it exports

I will assume the following is correct where Israel is its greatest trading partner. I'm not sure if these are re exported from other countries or direct trade.

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/pse/

Shopping malls do not exist without customers. All those pictures Derec posted are what the elite in Gaza enjoys--note that elite = Hamas.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What Gaza really looks like:

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Yeah. Hamas diverted the concrete for repairs so the places remain as rubble.

And most of those places that ended up as rubble were being used by Hamas, or were too close to buried things being used by Hamas. (Bomb a tunnel and the nearby buildings suffer.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I would like to see a more neutral source of this news from the OP. That site cited above is dripping with bias.

Unfortunately, there are basically no neutral sites.

Most news sites listen to the demographics: 100x more Muslims than Jews, slanting the news is simply good business sense. Not to mention the rampant anti-semitism.

Note that he links to the original--not something he would be likely to do if it didn't support what he was saying. It's just most of us don't read Arabic. (And what little of it I have fed to Google comes back pretty hard to understand.)

 

[untermensche]

What Gaza really looks like:

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Yeah. Hamas diverted the concrete for repairs so the places remain as rubble.

And most of those places that ended up as rubble were being used by Hamas, or were too close to buried things being used by Hamas. (Bomb a tunnel and the nearby buildings suffer.)

No. Israel decides how much cement gets through.

Israel WANTS Hamas in power.

And Israel knows if it limits cement it will harm Palestinians.

That is what apartheid policies are all about.

 

[sharon45]

Yeah. Hamas diverted the concrete for repairs so the places remain as rubble.

And most of those places that ended up as rubble were being used by Hamas, or were too close to buried things being used by Hamas. (Bomb a tunnel and the nearby buildings suffer.)

No. Israel decides how much cement gets through.

Israel WANTS Hamas in power.

And Israel knows if it limits cement it will harm Palestinians.

That is what apartheid policies are all about.

Er, do the people of Gaza know that Israel supposedly wants Hamas in power?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I would like to see a more neutral source of this news from the OP. That site cited above is dripping with bias.

Unfortunately, there are basically no neutral sites.

Most news sites listen to the demographics: 100x more Muslims than Jews, slanting the news is simply good business sense. Not to mention the rampant anti-semitism.

Note that he links to the original--not something he would be likely to do if it didn't support what he was saying. It's just most of us don't read Arabic. (And what little of it I have fed to Google comes back pretty hard to understand.)

You can find plenty pro-Israel slanted news. It isn't completely shaded one way or the other. And even the news most shaded pro-Israel, even Israeli propaganda itself, admits to treating palestinians as second class citizens. Rarely do you see a call for a unified country, equal rights, etc or a call for a separate and equal nation. Such notions of fairness and basic human rights are dressed up as genocide of Jews. And mistreatment of palestinian people is always rebutted with grouping all palestinians together and labeling them all terrorist (bigotry).

 

[untermensche]

No. Israel decides how much cement gets through.

Israel WANTS Hamas in power.

And Israel knows if it limits cement it will harm Palestinians.

That is what apartheid policies are all about.

Er, do the people of Gaza know that Israel supposedly wants Hamas in power?

They are people being constantly terrorized and oppressed.

We know people do not make the best decisions under those circumstances and we know that the most brutal thugs can assume power in a vacuum.

Which is all Israel allows. They do not allow Palestinians to have a normal life with a normal economy and normal trade.

 

[ZiprHead]

I would like to see a more neutral source of this news from the OP. That site cited above is dripping with bias.

According to this, the plant is up and running.

...and this

...and this from 2016.

Either the OP source didn't do any vetting of its source or, considering the bias, is just plain bullshitting its (probably targeted) American audience with propaganda.

 

[sharon45]

Er, do the people of Gaza know that Israel supposedly wants Hamas in power?

They are people being constantly terrorized and oppressed.

We know people do not make the best decisions under those circumstances and we know that the most brutal thugs can assume power in a vacuum.

Which is all Israel allows. They do not allow Palestinians to have a normal life with a normal economy and normal trade.

Yet it is not anywhere near in a vacuum. This little conflict has been very well publicized, by all sides, for such a long time. Are the people of Gaza going to also assert that Israel rigged the election so that Hamas is in power?

 

[untermensche]

They are people being constantly terrorized and oppressed.

We know people do not make the best decisions under those circumstances and we know that the most brutal thugs can assume power in a vacuum.

Which is all Israel allows. They do not allow Palestinians to have a normal life with a normal economy and normal trade.

Yet it is not anywhere near in a vacuum. This little conflict has been very well publicized, by all sides, for such a long time. Are the people of Gaza going to also assert that Israel rigged the election so that Hamas is in power?

Hamas was able to provide the people with things Israel denied them.

If Israel had not been crushing the economy of Gaza Hamas would have no popularity.