Who said politics in Russia is boring?

[barbos]

The point is that showing that she's the one that made the recording says nothing about whether she was FSB or CIA.

I agree with Loren here, Barbos. We have no reason to believe anything about anything here at all. None. Was the girl recording this or not? No evidence. Was the girl involved with FSB or CIA or Other or Nobody? No evidence. Does anybody in the West care in the slightest about this guy? No evidence.

It does not fucking matter, that's not the fucking point.
What matter is that they are both are worthless scum and US thinks they are not.

What's the story here?
Political Elites successfully discredit opposition by exposing uncomfortable truths?
In other news, water is wet. It's a tale as old as time.

Suppose Clinton gets recorded admitting taking bribes, what do you think would happen?

 

[zorq]

I was not trying to show Russia in favorable light. I was merely showing US in unfavorable light, because of their automatic support of any scum which declares himself an opposition to Putin,

But this doesn't show the US providing automatic support for any scum which declares himself and opposition to Putin. IF the girl works for the West, and IF she made this tape and IF she gave it to the FSB, as you claim, then that means that the West is trying to HELP Putin.

Your story doesn't make sense.

 

[zorq]

I agree with Loren here, Barbos. We have no reason to believe anything about anything here at all. None. Was the girl recording this or not? No evidence. Was the girl involved with FSB or CIA or Other or Nobody? No evidence. Does anybody in the West care in the slightest about this guy? No evidence.

It does not fucking matter, that's not the fucking point.
What matter is that they are both are worthless scum and US thinks they are not.

Where's the evidence the US gives two shits about these idiots?

What's the story here?
Political Elites successfully discredit opposition by exposing uncomfortable truths?
In other news, water is wet. It's a tale as old as time.

Suppose Clinton gets recorded admitting taking bribes, what do you think would happen?

Well it depends on Who from, What they were, and Why she is taking bribes, doesn't it?

Also, Clinton is actually an important figure in American politics right now, you claim that this guy is unimportant. So it hardly matters how many fewer people vote for him.

 

[barbos]

It does not fucking matter, that's not the fucking point.
What matter is that they are both are worthless scum and US thinks they are not.

Where's the evidence the US gives two shits about these idiots?

Well, US have been giving money grants to woman at least.

What's the story here?
Political Elites successfully discredit opposition by exposing uncomfortable truths?
In other news, water is wet. It's a tale as old as time.

Suppose Clinton gets recorded admitting taking bribes, what do you think would happen?

Well it depends on Who from, What they were, and Why she is taking bribes, doesn't it?

Also, Clinton is actually an important figure in American politics right now, you claim that this guy is unimportant. So it hardly matters how many fewer people vote for him.

Yes, the guy is insignificant, but that's not what State Departmen wants you to believe.
So, suppose Clinton admits taking massive amount of bribes (including from russians) and that the only reason he went to politics is money and personal gain, and then she goes on admits guilt in whitewater scam.


You like to talk about russian propaganda and how it became very strong lately. Well, what do you expect from

 

[zorq]

Yes, the guy is insignificant, but that's not what State Departmen wants you to believe.
So, suppose Clinton henchmen taking massive amount of bribes (including from russians) and that the only reason he went to politics is money and personal gain, and then she goes on admits guilt in whitewater scam.


You like to talk about russian propaganda and how it became very strong lately. Well, what do you expect from

I honestly have no idea where you are going with this.

 

[barbos]

Yes, the guy is insignificant, but that's not what State Departmen wants you to believe.
So, suppose Clinton admits taking massive amount of bribes (including from russians) and that the only reason he went to politics is money and personal gain, and then she goes on admits guilt in whitewater scam.


You like to talk about russian propaganda and how it became very strong lately. Well, what do you expect from

I honestly have no idea where you are going with this.

And neither does McCain, he honestly thinks that woman is a perfect candidate to replace Putin.

 

[zorq]

I honestly have no idea where you are going with this.

And neither is McCain, he honestly thinks that woman is a perfect candidate to replace Putin.

?????

 

[barbos]

And neither is McCain, he honestly thinks that woman is a perfect candidate to replace Putin.

?????

Exactly!

 

[zorq]

Why would McCain send some woman to Russia to sleep with and record damning conversations with Putin's rival, then leak the dirty evidence to Putin's party, leaving a trail back to McCain? And now you want me to think McCain is going to somehow make this woman replace Putin???? But you won't offer ANY evidence connecting ANY of it together?

I'll say it again. Your story doesn't make ANY sense. It's complete gibberish.

 

[barbos]

Why would McCain send some woman to Russia to sleep with and record damning conversations with Putin's rival, then leak the dirty evidence to Putin's party, leaving a trail back to McCain? And now you want me to think McCain is going to somehow make this woman replace Putin???? But you won't offer ANY evidence connecting ANY of it together?

Why would McCain choose Sarah Palin as a running mate? Yet this is exactly what happened.

I'll say it again. Your story doesn't make ANY sense. It's complete gibberish.

What my story? There is no story, these are established and undeniable by anyone facts. Your inability to make sense does not change facts.

 

[zorq]

Why would McCain choose Sarah Palin as a running mate? Yet this is exactly what happened.

I'll say it again. Your story doesn't make ANY sense. It's complete gibberish.

What my story? There is no story, these are established and undeniable by anyone facts. Your inability to make sense does not change facts.

NONE of it is facts! Otherwise you would have offered evidence for it after you were asked 5 times ago. You insist we use "imagination" to believe your story. If the story has substance I prefer to use "evidence."

 

[barbos]

Why would McCain choose Sarah Palin as a running mate? Yet this is exactly what happened.

What my story? There is no story, these are established and undeniable by anyone facts. Your inability to make sense does not change facts.

NONE of it is facts! Otherwise you would have offered evidence for it after you were asked 5 times ago. You insist we use "imagination" to believe your story. If the story has substance I prefer to use "evidence."

Everything I have said was a fact is a fact.
There is a video, that's a fact.
There are two people who were identified on that video that's a fact.
Woman was caught secretly recording other opposition members using illegal equipment, that's fact. She does not even deny it.
She was paid by McCain's fund, that's a documented fact.
Their conversations on the video, that's a fact.
Kasyanov admitting being a thief, that's a fact.

 

[zorq]

NONE of it is facts! Otherwise you would have offered evidence for it after you were asked 5 times ago. You insist we use "imagination" to believe your story. If the story has substance I prefer to use "evidence."

Everything I had said was a fact is a fact.
There is a video, that's a fact.
There are two people who were identified on that video that's a fact.
Woman was caught secretly recording other opposition members using illegal equipment, that's fact. She does not even deny it.
She was paid by McCain's fund, that's a documented fact.

Then document it! I looked around and I can find no evidence that this Natalya Pelevina did anything other than meet with McCain.

Their conversations on the video, that's a fact.
Kasyanov admitting being a thief, that's afact.

But these "facts" don't fit together into a story that means anything. Where do these facts cast negative light on the US or the West the way you insist that it does?

 

[barbos]

Everything I had said was a fact is a fact.
There is a video, that's a fact.
There are two people who were identified on that video that's a fact.
Woman was caught secretly recording other opposition members using illegal equipment, that's fact. She does not even deny it.
She was paid by McCain's fund, that's a documented fact.

Then document it! I looked around and I can find no evidence that this Natalya Pelevina did anything other than meet with McCain.

It's documented in the original youtube video I posted.

Their conversations on the video, that's a fact.
Kasyanov admitting being a thief, that's afact.

But these "facts" don't fit together into a story that means anything.

It does not make it non fact. Also, your complain does not make any sense.
What that piece of shit says in the video fits perfectly with his reputation.

Where do these facts cast negative light on the US or the West the way you insist that it does?

Because West/US supports that motherfucker!

 

[zorq]

Then document it! I looked around and I can find no evidence that this Natalya Pelevina did anything other than meet with McCain.

It's documented in the original youtube video I posted.

I don't speak Russian, and I have no reason to trust that your video represents an honest depiction of reality.

Their conversations on the video, that's a fact.
Kasyanov admitting being a thief, that's afact.

But these "facts" don't fit together into a story that means anything.

It does not make it non fact. Also, your complain does not make any sense.

My complaint is that your story doesn't make any sense see below.

What that piece of shit says in the video fits perfectly with his reputation.

What fits perfectly? The part where he says that Putin and his cronies are bigger thieves than he is? What does his reputation have to do with anything? What is his reputation?

Where do these facts cast negative light on the US or the West the way you insist that it does?

Because West/US supports that motherfucker!

Evidence please! Who told you the US supports these guys? Was it possibly Putin's propoganda machine? I'm pretty sure Obama has learned George W. Bush's lesson that just because you don't like the guy in charge that doesn't mean that you'll like the guy who replaces him any better.

Here is your story as I understand it:

1. John McCain wants either Pelevina or Kasyanov or both to defeat Putin: No evidence.
2. John McCain pays Pelevina to... What?

a)Defeat Putin? She's already trying to do that.
b)Get dirt on Kasyanov? Kasyanov is her ally aganst Putin. Why do that?
c)Make sex tapes? Why?
d)Some thing else? What is it?​

Also: No evidence.
3. Pelevina has sex with and has a dirty discussion with Kasyanov on tape.: OK
4. Pelevina records the sex and the discussion. Why? Isn't she working with Kasyanov? What is the point making a tape that could bury her if it is exposed? Also: No evidence.
5. Pelevina gives the sex tape to the FSB: Why? It will hurt her and Kasyanov and help Putin. Also: No evidence.
6. FSB broadcasts the sex tape to discredit the opposition party: OK

Do you see all my "What? and Why?" questions above?
It just doesn't make any sense!

Here's a different story that makes more sense:

1. Pelevina and Kasyanov are dirty politicians opposing the dirty Putin regime.
2. The Putin regime spied on them and found some dirt.
3. The Putin regime exposed that dirt and spun it for maximum effect.
What makes this an interesting story?

 

[barbos]

It's documented in the original youtube video I posted.

I don't speak Russian, and I have no reason to trust that your video represents an honest depiction of reality.

That's your problem, not mine.

Their conversations on the video, that's a fact.
Kasyanov admitting being a thief, that's afact.

But these "facts" don't fit together into a story that means anything.

It does not make it non fact. Also, your complain does not make any sense.

My complaint is that your story doesn't make any sense see below.

You failed to explain your complains. You merely nonsensically repeat your stupid claim.

What that piece of shit says in the video fits perfectly with his reputation.

What fits perfectly?

What he says.

The part where he says that Putin and his cronies are bigger thieves than he is?

That's not what he said.

What does his reputation have to do with anything? What is his reputation?

His reputation of corrupted piece of shit. And I think it has something to do with something, unless you don't care if politicians you are voting for are corrupted pieces of shit.

Where do these facts cast negative light on the US or the West the way you insist that it does?

Because West/US supports that motherfucker!

Evidence please!

Evidence of what? That US supports these people?
You can request this information from the State Department, I am sure they will gladly provide you the data. It's open.

Who told you the US supports these guys? Was it possibly Putin's propoganda machine?

I highly doubt that US State Department is working for Putin propaganda.

I'm pretty sure Obama has learned George W. Bush's lesson that just because you don't like the guy in charge that doesn't mean that you'll like the guy who replaces him any better.

Here is your story as I understand it:

1. John McCain wants either Pelevina or Kasyanov or both to defeat Putin: No evidence.
2. John McCain pays Pelevina to... What?

Yes, that's an undeniable and more importantly non surprising fact.
Your remarkable denseness tells me that you are not well educated in the topic. Until very recently majority of the funding came from Washington.

a)Defeat Putin? She's already trying to do that.
​

No, she is doing that because she is paid to do that.

b)Get dirt on Kasyanov? Kasyanov is her ally aganst Putin. Why do that?
c)Make sex tapes? Why?
d)Some thing else? What is it?

Also: No evidence.
3. Pelevina has sex with and has a dirty discussion with Kasyanov on tape.: OK
4. Pelevina records the sex and the discussion. Why? Isn't she working with Kasyanov? What is the point making a tape that could bury her if it is exposed? Also: No evidence.
5. Pelevina gives the sex tape to the FSB: Why? It will hurt her and Kasyanov and help Putin. Also: No evidence.
6. FSB broadcasts the sex tape to discredit the opposition party: OK

Do you see all my "What? and Why?" questions above?
It just doesn't make any sense!

I am under no obligation to provide you a thought process of that bitch. She could be insane for all I care. But if you insist then you should start with yourself and explain thought process in the head of Sarah Palin, another McCain friend, or Saakashvili, friend of McCain too.

Here's a different story that makes more sense:

1. Pelevina and Kasyanov are dirty politicians opposing the dirty Putin regime.
2. The Putin regime spied on them and found some dirt.
3. The Putin regime exposed that dirt and spun it for maximum effect.
What makes this an interesting story?

Your stupid interpretation does not explain camera-pen.

 

[KeepTalking]

I am under no obligation to provide you a thought process of that bitch.

If you want to be understood, then it is your obligation to show the connection and make yourself understood. More importantly, if you want to be both understood and believed, it is your obligation to provide sources (i.e. links to reputable articles) that back up your assertions.

Here's a different story that makes more sense:

1. Pelevina and Kasyanov are dirty politicians opposing the dirty Putin regime.
2. The Putin regime spied on them and found some dirt.
3. The Putin regime exposed that dirt and spun it for maximum effect.
What makes this an interesting story?

Your stupid interpretation does not explain camera-pen.

Is it your contention that there is only one camera pen in the world?

If she was known to have used a camera pen to record previous interactions, it would be a simple thing to use a comparable camera pen to record this interaction and make it seem like she was the one recording it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So you are saying there is no real opposition, just a fake one, and a bad one at that. That makes Russia even more so a one party dictatorship. Not sure how you think this casts Russia in a favorable light.

I was not trying to show Russia in favorable light. I was merely showing US in unfavorable light, because of their automatic support of any scum which declares himself an opposition to Putin,

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is that showing that she's the one that made the recording says nothing about whether she was FSB or CIA.

Well, we know she was funded by McCain's fund for some democracy and stuff. You are really weird in your desire to discuss irrelevant details.

We know Putin said that but he blames everything on the US whether it's true or not.

 

[zorq]

I don't speak Russian, and I have no reason to trust that your video represents an honest depiction of reality.

That's your problem, not mine.

If you want me to believe you it's your problem.

Their conversations on the video, that's a fact.
Kasyanov admitting being a thief, that's afact.

But these "facts" don't fit together into a story that means anything.

It does not make it non fact. Also, your complain does not make any sense.

My complaint is that your story doesn't make any sense see below.

You failed to explain your complains. You merely nonsensically repeat your stupid claim.

I told you to "see below." Then at the bottom of the post I explained the lack of sense your story makes. Learn some patience.

What that piece of shit says in the video fits perfectly with his reputation.

What fits perfectly?

What he says.

You are not being helpful at all.

The part where he says that Putin and his cronies are bigger thieves than he is?

That's not what he said.

That's what you told me he said. Were you lying? Or were you failing to communicate.

What does his reputation have to do with anything? What is his reputation?

His reputation of corrupted piece of shit. And I think it has something to do with something, unless you don't care if politicians you are voting for are corrupted pieces of shit.

What does his reputation have to do with this story you are trying to spin?

Where do these facts cast negative light on the US or the West the way you insist that it does?

Because West/US supports that motherfucker!

Evidence please!

Evidence of what? That US supports these people?
You can request this information from the State Department, I am sure they will gladly provide you the data. It's open.

I'm not the one making a claim. YOU go get that evidence and present it! You can do it! You are the one who wants me to believe it!

Who told you the US supports these guys? Was it possibly Putin's propaganda machine?

I highly doubt that US State Department is working for Putin propaganda.

Then go get the US State Department to say they support these guys and post it here!

I'm pretty sure Obama has learned George W. Bush's lesson that just because you don't like the guy in charge that doesn't mean that you'll like the guy who replaces him any better.

Here is your story as I understand it:

1. John McCain wants either Pelevina or Kasyanov or both to defeat Putin: No evidence.
2. John McCain pays Pelevina to... What?

Yes, that's an undeniable and more importantly non surprising fact.
Your remarkable denseness tells me that you are not well educated in the topic. Until very recently majority of the funding came from Washington.

Funding for WHAT? Where is the evidence this funding exists? I need evidence! You refuse to present it! Until you do I have no reason to believe you!

a)Defeat Putin? She's already trying to do that.

No, she is doing that because she is paid to do that.

Are you sure she doesn't want to defeat Putin all by herself? Where's the evidence?

b)Get dirt on Kasyanov? Kasyanov is her ally aganst Putin. Why do that?
c)Make sex tapes? Why?
d)Some thing else? What is it?
Also: No evidence.
3. Pelevina has sex with and has a dirty discussion with Kasyanov on tape.: OK
4. Pelevina records the sex and the discussion. Why? Isn't she working with Kasyanov? What is the point making a tape that could bury her if it is exposed? Also: No evidence.
5. Pelevina gives the sex tape to the FSB: Why? It will hurt her and Kasyanov and help Putin. Also: No evidence.
6. FSB broadcasts the sex tape to discredit the opposition party: OK

Do you see all my "What? and Why?" questions above?
It just doesn't make any sense!

I am under no obligation to provide you a thought process of that bitch. She could be insane for all I care.

If you want me to believe your story you need to offer SOME reasonable motive for her to act the way you claim she is acting. Do you think she is literally insane? Should she be seeing psychiatrist? How did she end up at the top of a Political organization if she is actually insane?

But if you insist then you should start with yourself and explain thought process in the head of Sarah Palin, another McCain friend, or Saakashvili, friend of McCain too.

I can explain the motives of McCain in choosing Palin and the motives of Palin for acting the way she does. Neither explanation requires insanity. But these stories don't belong in this bizarre thread about Russian politics.

Here's a different story that makes more sense:

1. Pelevina and Kasyanov are dirty politicians opposing the dirty Putin regime.
2. The Putin regime spied on them and found some dirt.
3. The Putin regime exposed that dirt and spun it for maximum effect.
What makes this an interesting story?

Your stupid interpretation does not explain camera-pen.

The camera-pen doesn't need an explanation. As stated by KeepTalking ANYONE can use a camera pen.

You don't even have any evidence the video was shot with a camera-pen. It could have been a camera-clock. Or a camera watch. Or a cell-phone. Or something else!