Why are so-called "progressives" and "liberals" so deferential to religious nonsense by Indians?

[ZiprHead]

I can't figure out whether the feces flinging or the assumptions are worse in this sentence.

How about you answer the questions. If pipelines are so bad (and ecomentalists and Indians oppose all pipelines), what alternative do you propose? Trains? Trucks? Magic?

How 'bout maybe just leave that dirty shit in the ground?

 

[Elixir]

How about you answer the questions. If pipelines are so bad (and ecomentalists and Indians oppose all pipelines), what alternative do you propose? Trains? Trucks? Magic?

How 'bout maybe just leave that dirty shit in the ground?

No self respecting oil exec is going to advocate leaving one drop of it in the ground.

 

[Derec]

How about you answer the questions. If pipelines are so bad (and ecomentalists and Indians oppose all pipelines), what alternative do you propose? Trains? Trucks? Magic?

How 'bout maybe just leave that dirty shit in the ground?

And what are you going to put in your gas tank? Clean fairy Manitou gasoline?

 

[laughing dog]

I don't see why the Lakota's religious preferences are any more or less valid that the market evangelist's or oil-worshipper's.

 

[KeepTalking]

How 'bout maybe just leave that dirty shit in the ground?

And what are you going to put in your gas tank? Clean fairy Manitou gasoline?

In case you haven't noticed, a growing number of vehicles do not even have gas tanks. Maybe he drives a Tesla.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I can't figure out whether the feces flinging or the assumptions are worse in this sentence.

How about you answer the questions. If pipelines are so bad (and ecomentalists and Indians oppose all pipelines), what alternative do you propose? Trains? Trucks? Magic?

If pipelines are so good, I propose we run them through golf courses, upscale shopping districts and gated communities. Being so good for so many reasons they most certainly will improve the property values and overall quality of life for the affluent people who frequent such places.

What exactly were all those really good reasons again?

 

[Arctish]

If pipelines are so good, I propose we run them through golf courses, upscale shopping districts and gated communities. Being so good for so many reasons they most certainly will improve the property values and overall quality of life for the affluent people who frequent such places.

What exactly were all those really good reasons again?

Pipelines attract Ayn Rand fans who remember the stirring imagery of Hank Reardon's steel mill filling the night sky with the sounds, smell, and glow of industry, and want to live in a place where they can experience it themselves.

 

[laughing dog]

If pipelines are so good, I propose we run them through golf courses, upscale shopping districts and gated communities. Being so good for so many reasons they most certainly will improve the property values and overall quality of life for the affluent people who frequent such places.

What exactly were all those really good reasons again?

Pipelines attract Ayn Rand fans who remember the stirring imagery of Hank Reardon's steel mill filling the night sky with the sounds, smell, and glow of industry, and want to live in a place where they can experience it themselves.

It is more than ironic that Derec feels his religious preferences should be viewed with deference while those of the Lakota Indians should not.

 

[J842P]

Which is bullshit of the highest order. Either they should be sovereign, and be responsible for themselves as all sovereign countries are or they should be treated as Americans, "no more, no less". Under current configuration they get to double dip and claim America when it suits them and sovereignty when that suits them.

The rules ARE different for them because they are supposed to be.

Liberals are supposed to advocate same rules applying to everybody equally. To abandon that principle because it favors a group you like and support is no better than Jim Crow. Treating certain ethnic groups better than others does not become righteous if that group is on top of the progressive stack.

So unless you are talking about breaking YET ANOTHER TREATY with them, you can drop all of the boo-hooing about casinos, reservations, etc.

I think all these treaties should be null and void. Either they become part of America same as everybody else or they can seek independence. This double-dipping is bullshit.
And with the exception of wildly wealthy casino Indians, most Indians are not doing too well under this policy of preferential treatment that has been going for the last 50 years or so. Perhaps it is time to rethink that.

Please post a video of Thom Hartmann discussing a Christian religion so I can compare his level of deference vs contempt.

Thom was just an example for the general attitude among so-called progressives.

As much as you might think a treaty is bullshit, they should still be honored and can't be simply declared "null and void" based on your oddly strong opinion on this matter. Frankly, I think The US Federal Government got the better end of the bargain, all things considered. The Indians were pretty much thrown scraps.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

As much as you might think a treaty is bullshit, they should still be honored and can't be simply declared "null and void" based on your oddly strong opinion on this matter. Frankly, I think The US Federal Government got the better end of the bargain, all things considered. The Indians were pretty much thrown scraps.

Ya, but if the US government now wants those scraps back and the Indians don't want to give them, then aren't the white people the real victims?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I can't figure out whether the feces flinging or the assumptions are worse in this sentence.

How about you answer the questions. If pipelines are so bad (and ecomentalists and Indians oppose all pipelines), what alternative do you propose? Trains? Trucks? Magic?

Great, more feces flinging and assumptions.

 

[laughing dog]

How about you answer the questions. If pipelines are so bad (and ecomentalists and Indians oppose all pipelines), what alternative do you propose? Trains? Trucks? Magic?

Great, more feces flinging and assumptions.

That is what one tends to when one calls someone's religious beliefs into question.

 

[TSwizzle]

How 'bout maybe just leave that dirty shit in the ground?

And what are you going to put in your gas tank? Clean fairy Manitou gasoline?

Unicorn farts of course !

 

[JonA]

Different pipeline, same idiocy. Oil has to be moved from the fields to the refineries. Pipelines are the best method we have to move large quantities of oil overland. Both when it comes to cost as well as safety.
So why this categorical opposition to all pipelines?

Nimbyciles...

 

[Derec]

That is what one tends to when one calls someone's religious beliefs into question.

Yeah, how dare we call somebody's religious beliefs into question on an atheist forum.

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Great, more feces flinging and assumptions.

How about you answer the question. What alternatives to pipelines do you propose?

 

[laughing dog]

Yeah, how dare we call somebody's religious beliefs into question on an atheist forum.

You are the one having a hissy fit over your religious beliefs about oil and pipelines being questioned.

 

[Derec]

Ya, but if the US government now wants those scraps back and the Indians don't want to give them, then aren't the white people the real victims?

This pipeline is not going through any Indian territory. The objection is that it is routed "nearby". By their very nature pipelines (just like roads, and railroads, the Indians go-to boogeyman in the 19th century) have to be continuous and should be routed as straight as possible. Thus they have to cross rivers etc. People build pipelines everywhere. US should not be prevented from building pipelines just because the Indians object, especially when the main reason for opposition is some ridiculous prophecy.

 

[Derec]

You are the one having a hissy fit over your religious beliefs about oil and pipelines being questioned.

Those are not religious beliefs. And I am not throwing a hissy-fit, just posting a thread (that's what discussion forums are for) about Indians throwing a hissy-fit. If you want to see a hissy-fit:

 

[Derec]

As much as you might think a treaty is bullshit, they should still be honored and can't be simply declared "null and void" based on your oddly strong opinion on this matter. Frankly, I think The US Federal Government got the better end of the bargain, all things considered. The Indians were pretty much thrown scraps.

I do agree that Indians got the raw end of the stick in the 19th century. However, I do not think the policy of the last 50 years or so, to overcompensate by giving Indians special rights, privileges and money, is the right way either.

I think that if Indians are to be considered US citizens that this should extinguish any sovereignty claims. The Indians in question should still be fairly compensated however - I do not think they should get screwed over by the transition. Alternatively, they should be able to seek independence. But I do not think this system of claiming sovereignty when it suits them, and claiming being part of US when that suits them is in any way healthy, either for the US or for Indians themselves.

Think about it. Reservations like Pine Ridge are among the poorest and most dysfunctional regions in the country. I think a major reason for it is the Indian politics of the last 50 years. It simply does not work and thus it needs to change. One way or the other.

 

[laughing dog]

Those are not religious beliefs.

Of course they are. You worship the use of oil. There is nothing inherently wrong with religious beliefs when they help people deal peaceably and civilly with their lives. The beliefs help them make sense of their lives. For some reason, you feel your religious beliefs are on a higher plane than those of the Lakota. You are mistaken.

And I am not throwing a hissy-fit, just posting a thread (that's what discussion forums are for) about Indians throwing a hissy-fit.

You are only fooling yourself.