"Why do we keep losing elections?"

[Loren Pechtel]

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Why DO we keep losing elections???

The click to cancel one was clearly from trying to push it through too fast. They failed to consider other options like they were required to and got slapped down for it.

And I think there is a significant segment that would like to get rid of the EPA because they believe the nonsense. (And there's a kernel of truth--my former boss had a long-standing fight with the EPA. You were doing so well at reducing emissions, why did you stop? (Because we did everything feasible with the tech of the day) Why can't you be like {competitor}? (Hey, we have told you many times they're fabricating data. Took them ages to finally bust those guys and the fine was probably less than the cost of compliance.))

 

[ZiprHead]

There is a lot of cultural influence by many nations on other nations.

Italian food.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Sure sure but it does say something when a governmental body or really any type of assembly tolerates such language.

Well, in the case of a governmental body in the USA, what it says is "We have to abide by the first amendment to the US Constitution".

Not anymore, it doesn’t.

But under a decent POTUS, free speech has always had limits. And there is a difference between not being allowed an open Mike to hurl obscenities at those gathered for an official government function and being arrested for uttering racist or sexist or obscene words while addressing those so gathered.

The free speech issue could've been easily avoided by applying already existing rules that provide for removal for egregious conduct.

It's now a free speech issue because the Dems in this instance made it an issue when they didn't have to. Instead though, they got on a high horse and did something stupid.

If people use racial slurs and inappropriate language in the given setting, they can be legally and rightfully removed and prevented from participating without banning certain words. That's it. It's that simple.

Except maybe they couldn't. It wasn't in the rules, so they couldn't enforce decent decorum. Sociopaths fuck things up for everyone else.

But that's the Dems nowadays: the building's on fire but they're holding a committee on whether or not the contractor who installed the fire hydrant is in compliance with rule 10924.023, which provides that fire hydrant must be painted red rather then the yellow it is now.

That's bogus.

Of course there are decorum rules in place. L.A.'s been a city since the 1850s, but no one ever thought of creating rules of conduct? I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit on that.

What's bogus? The Dems worry about small shit that the largest demographics aren't interested in and ignore issues like immigration that everyone's interested in. To put the finest of fine points on it, they lost to Trump twice in non-consecutive elections, something that had only happened once in U.S. history and which took place some 140 years ago. That requires serious work, dedication, and studiousness in How To Fuck Things Up. It requires being utterly out of touch with what non-batshit Americans want and counting on the Anyone But Trump strategy.

Tolerating hate language erodes people's intolerance for hate language and so drags down our society as a whole. It is definitely worth noting that there is an uptick in racially motivated hate crimes with Trump in office.

Fine.

Enforcement of existing rules or an entirely useless political dog and pony show.

Keep at it.

ETA(sk): any legitimate source of this new uptick in significant racially motivated violence? FBI stats or something similar will do; not some Reddit level fuckery that's been massaged to a happy ending.

 

[Elixir]

any legitimate source of this new uptick in significant racially motivated violence?

If any federal agency has that dirt it will not be published. B’cuz Felon say economy is best ever, Dems made up inflation hoax, Epstein hoax, Russia hoax, GDP revision hoax, and especially the above mentioned racism hoax, all just to make him look bad. Also, nobody is hungry in Gaza. Another D hoax.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Relevant to this discussion; I'm watching the Raiders-Seahawks preseason game. Only fans of each team cares about this game, and even then they don't really care because it's a meaningless game.

But ya' know who showed up hitting the immigration issue during the first commercial break?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't anyone from the Democratic party.

There was the Orange Menace and Kristi Noem advertising their policies to what is a tiny group of football fans from two blue states. But at least the Dems have banned the word "cunt" from council meetings in L.A. (soft claps all around).

 

[Colonel Sanders]

any legitimate source of this new uptick in significant racially motivated violence?

If any federal agency has that dirt it will not be published. B’cuz Felon say economy is best ever, Dems made up inflation hoax, Epstein hoax, Russia hoax, GDP revision hoax, and especially the above mentioned racism hoax, all just to make him look bad. Also, nobody is hungry in Gaza. Another D hoax.

This took me all about 40 seconds to find:

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

 

[Elixir]

This took me all about 40 seconds to find:

Couldn’t read it … but saw “2019” in there somewhere. What does it say?

 

[steve_bank]

Interesting.

A year or two ago Latinos on the La city council got recorded trashing blacks and discussing how to reduce black political influence.

All ethnic groups have slurs and trash talk for other groups. I remember Jewish Yiddish slurs from when I was kid.

Should explicit derogatory terms be banned in government meetings? Sure.

In the 70s and 80s open racial and sex slurs were common. Laws and law suits pretty much ended it.

The problem is crude speech has become normalized in culture. Movies, music. TV, radio and in the streets.

Another problem is this social engineering becomes an ideology and a witch hunt. Political correctness and if do not get in line business or individuals are harassed.

When Trump ended DEI there were not many complaints from business, they got tired of it being
forced. Same with forcing sports to allow bio;local male to compete in female sports. Not just allo0w but mandate it.

Recent reports say people and business are leaving blue states for red.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Relevant to this discussion; I'm watching the Raiders-Seahawks preseason game. Only fans of each team cares about this game, and even then they don't really care because it's a meaningless game.

But ya' know who showed up hitting the immigration issue during the first commercial break?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't anyone from the Democratic party.

Do you want the Democrats advertising in California... 15 months before the election?

There was the Orange Menace and Kristi Noem advertising their policies to what is a tiny group of football fans from two blue states. But at least the Dems have banned the word "cunt" from council meetings in L.A. (soft claps all around).

You make it sounds like running an ad will change anything for the Dems... and that the only thing the Democrats are doing at the moment is censoring naughty words in LA.

The Democrats have a problem with messaging and the big problem is that undocumented people in the US are not here legally. The average American only cares about the cost to get stuff. That is why women who supported Roe v Wade voted for Trump... because inflation happened under Biden. They don't care about the nuances of undocumented workers in the US and the pro/con of their presence here to our economy and culture. How do you propose the Dems spin support of these people... that won't be blendered as Dems supporting an undocumented person who murdered a college student? Please, tell me the messaging. The Dems would run with it!

 

[jonatha]

The Americans got Halloween from Ireland.

Dammit, all those years of SweetTarts when I could have held out for Guiness!

 

[Colonel Sanders]

This took me all about 40 seconds to find:

Couldn’t read it … but saw “2019” in there somewhere. What does it say?

So not only are you unwilling or unable to provide stats for something you alleged, you want me to do your reading for you?

Sorry dude, that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Relevant to this discussion; I'm watching the Raiders-Seahawks preseason game. Only fans of each team cares about this game, and even then they don't really care because it's a meaningless game.

But ya' know who showed up hitting the immigration issue during the first commercial break?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't anyone from the Democratic party.

Do you want the Democrats advertising in California... 15 months before the election?

There was the Orange Menace and Kristi Noem advertising their policies to what is a tiny group of football fans from two blue states. But at least the Dems have banned the word "cunt" from council meetings in L.A. (soft claps all around).

You make it sounds like running an ad will change anything for the Dems... and that the only thing the Democrats are doing at the moment is censoring naughty words in LA.

The Democrats have a problem with messaging and the big problem is that undocumented people in the US are not here legally. The average American only cares about the cost to get stuff. That is why women who supported Roe v Wade voted for Trump... because inflation happened under Biden. They don't care about the nuances of undocumented workers in the US and the pro/con of their presence here to our economy and culture. How do you propose the Dems spin support of these people... that won't be blendered as Dems supporting an undocumented person who murdered a college student? Please, tell me the messaging. The Dems would run with it!

The point is that even so far away from an election, the GOP is getting ahead of things. I'm going to take a wild guess and bet that no Dem attack ads will be seen in Texas when the Cowboys play the Rams in L.A. In the same vein, the GOP is hitting big issues while the Dems aren't hitting anything in the news except distasteful words.

It's a compare and contrast thing.

Nuances? The vast majority of people on either side don't understand nuances. At least the left has empathy and wants a better society for everyone though. Conservatives are like the one dimensional villains in a so-bad-it's-good movie. Anyway, nuance doesn't win elections, blunt force trauma does.

Obama ran on vague things like hope and change and served two good terms. His charisma went a long way though too; and that's another thing. The Dems need to find someone who can charm and inspire people. I think you'd have to back to Nixon vs. Agnew to see how even a less dreary candidate can win the White House.

 

[ZiprHead]

Relevant to this discussion; I'm watching the Raiders-Seahawks preseason game. Only fans of each team cares about this game, and even then they don't really care because it's a meaningless game.

But ya' know who showed up hitting the immigration issue during the first commercial break?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't anyone from the Democratic party.

Do you want the Democrats advertising in California... 15 months before the election?

There was the Orange Menace and Kristi Noem advertising their policies to what is a tiny group of football fans from two blue states. But at least the Dems have banned the word "cunt" from council meetings in L.A. (soft claps all around).

You make it sounds like running an ad will change anything for the Dems... and that the only thing the Democrats are doing at the moment is censoring naughty words in LA.

The Democrats have a problem with messaging and the big problem is that undocumented people in the US are not here legally. The average American only cares about the cost to get stuff. That is why women who supported Roe v Wade voted for Trump... because inflation happened under Biden. They don't care about the nuances of undocumented workers in the US and the pro/con of their presence here to our economy and culture. How do you propose the Dems spin support of these people... that won't be blendered as Dems supporting an undocumented person who murdered a college student? Please, tell me the messaging. The Dems would run with it!

The point is that even so far away from an election, the GOP is getting ahead of things. I'm going to take a wild guess and bet that no Dem attack ads will be seen in Texas when the Cowboys play the Rams in L.A. In the same vein, the GOP is hitting big issues while the Dems aren't hitting anything in the news except distasteful words.

It's a compare and contrast thing.

Nuances? The vast majority of people on either side don't understand nuances. At least the left has empathy and wants a better society for everyone though. Conservatives are like the one dimensional villains in a so-bad-it's-good movie. Anyway, nuance doesn't win elections, blunt force trauma does.

Obama ran on vague things like hope and change and served two good terms. His charisma went a long way though too; and that's another thing. The Dems need to find someone who can charm and inspire people. I think you'd have to back to Nixon vs. Agnew to see how even a less dreary candidate can win the White House.

Are you unaware of this?

Fighting Oligarchy Tour | Bernie Sanders Official Website

Over the course of the next few weeks, I'll be hitting the road to have real discussions across America on how we move forward to take on the Oligarchs and corporate interests who have so much power and influence in this country.

bsanders-astro.pages.dev

Bernie and AOC going all over the country playing to packed crowds, including in red districts.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fighting+oligarchy+tour

 

[Elixir]

This took me all about 40 seconds to find:

Couldn’t read it … but saw “2019” in there somewhere. What does it say?

So not only are you unwilling or unable to provide stats for something you alleged, you want me to do your reading for you?

Sorry dude, that ain't gonna happen.

Dude, you posted an unreadable stack of irrelevant stats from 2019 with not so much as a phrase telling us how it relates to your assertion.
So much for any “recent uptick”.
My allegation that the current administration won’t release stats may have been in error, but what you posted was unreadable and non responsive. Any stats released by the current junta are virtually guaranteed to have been doctored anyway. Did you see fatso waving charts produced by the federalist society? They prove we have the BEST. ECONOMY. EVER!!!!

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Relevant to this discussion; I'm watching the Raiders-Seahawks preseason game. Only fans of each team cares about this game, and even then they don't really care because it's a meaningless game.

But ya' know who showed up hitting the immigration issue during the first commercial break?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't anyone from the Democratic party.

Do you want the Democrats advertising in California... 15 months before the election?

There was the Orange Menace and Kristi Noem advertising their policies to what is a tiny group of football fans from two blue states. But at least the Dems have banned the word "cunt" from council meetings in L.A. (soft claps all around).

You make it sounds like running an ad will change anything for the Dems... and that the only thing the Democrats are doing at the moment is censoring naughty words in LA.

The Democrats have a problem with messaging and the big problem is that undocumented people in the US are not here legally. The average American only cares about the cost to get stuff. That is why women who supported Roe v Wade voted for Trump... because inflation happened under Biden. They don't care about the nuances of undocumented workers in the US and the pro/con of their presence here to our economy and culture. How do you propose the Dems spin support of these people... that won't be blendered as Dems supporting an undocumented person who murdered a college student? Please, tell me the messaging. The Dems would run with it!

The point is that even so far away from an election, the GOP is getting ahead of things. I'm going to take a wild guess and bet that no Dem attack ads will be seen in Texas when the Cowboys play the Rams in L.A. In the same vein, the GOP is hitting big issues while the Dems aren't hitting anything in the news except distasteful words.

It's a compare and contrast thing.

Nuances? The vast majority of people on either side don't understand nuances. At least the left has empathy and wants a better society for everyone though. Conservatives are like the one dimensional villains in a so-bad-it's-good movie. Anyway, nuance doesn't win elections, blunt force trauma does.

Obama ran on vague things like hope and change and served two good terms. His charisma went a long way though too; and that's another thing. The Dems need to find someone who can charm and inspire people. I think you'd have to back to Nixon vs. Agnew to see how even a less dreary candidate can win the White House.

Are you unaware of this?

Fighting Oligarchy Tour | Bernie Sanders Official Website

Over the course of the next few weeks, I'll be hitting the road to have real discussions across America on how we move forward to take on the Oligarchs and corporate interests who have so much power and influence in this country.

bsanders-astro.pages.dev

Bernie and AOC going all over the country playing to packed crowds, including in red districts.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fighting+oligarchy+tour

Well good. At least it's something. I'll give it that much.

An old nationally unpopular guy and a young nationally unpopular woman.

I happen to like both of them--a lot, but they're not where the party needs to be right now.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

This took me all about 40 seconds to find:

Couldn’t read it … but saw “2019” in there somewhere. What does it say?

So not only are you unwilling or unable to provide stats for something you alleged, you want me to do your reading for you?

Sorry dude, that ain't gonna happen.

Dude, you posted an unreadable stack of irrelevant stats from 2019 with not so much as a phrase telling us how it relates to your assertion.
So much for any “recent uptick”.
My allegation that the current administration won’t release stats may have been in error, but what you posted was unreadable and non responsive. Any stats released by the current junta are virtually guaranteed to have been doctored anyway. Did you see fatso waving charts produced by the federalist society? They prove we have the BEST. ECONOMY. EVER!!!!

So let's get this straight: you make a claim, but the burden lies on someone else to disprove your claim. At least I did something by taking half a minute to look something up.

In the spirit of your "reasoning" how about this: I say leprechauns aren't real. Now prove they aren't. Go on now, you have a lot of work to do.

 

[Elixir]

So let's get this straight: you make a claim, but the burden lies on someone else to disprove your claim

What claim, exactly?
IIRC, it was that the CURRENT administration won't release bad news crime stats, or something like that.
What you posted gets no credit because it is unrelated to CURRENT crime.
However I did see something else (MSNBC, if you believe them) that would confirm that crime is down since T2 took the throne.
So ... you "win"? I guess.

 

[Elixir]

I happen to like both of them--a lot, but they're not where the party needs to be right now.

^ THAT
We need some good trouble now, not just amplified voices repeating what everyone but MAGAts already knows.

 

[ZiprHead]

Relevant to this discussion; I'm watching the Raiders-Seahawks preseason game. Only fans of each team cares about this game, and even then they don't really care because it's a meaningless game.

But ya' know who showed up hitting the immigration issue during the first commercial break?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't anyone from the Democratic party.

Do you want the Democrats advertising in California... 15 months before the election?

There was the Orange Menace and Kristi Noem advertising their policies to what is a tiny group of football fans from two blue states. But at least the Dems have banned the word "cunt" from council meetings in L.A. (soft claps all around).

You make it sounds like running an ad will change anything for the Dems... and that the only thing the Democrats are doing at the moment is censoring naughty words in LA.

The Democrats have a problem with messaging and the big problem is that undocumented people in the US are not here legally. The average American only cares about the cost to get stuff. That is why women who supported Roe v Wade voted for Trump... because inflation happened under Biden. They don't care about the nuances of undocumented workers in the US and the pro/con of their presence here to our economy and culture. How do you propose the Dems spin support of these people... that won't be blendered as Dems supporting an undocumented person who murdered a college student? Please, tell me the messaging. The Dems would run with it!

The point is that even so far away from an election, the GOP is getting ahead of things. I'm going to take a wild guess and bet that no Dem attack ads will be seen in Texas when the Cowboys play the Rams in L.A. In the same vein, the GOP is hitting big issues while the Dems aren't hitting anything in the news except distasteful words.

It's a compare and contrast thing.

Nuances? The vast majority of people on either side don't understand nuances. At least the left has empathy and wants a better society for everyone though. Conservatives are like the one dimensional villains in a so-bad-it's-good movie. Anyway, nuance doesn't win elections, blunt force trauma does.

Obama ran on vague things like hope and change and served two good terms. His charisma went a long way though too; and that's another thing. The Dems need to find someone who can charm and inspire people. I think you'd have to back to Nixon vs. Agnew to see how even a less dreary candidate can win the White House.

Are you unaware of this?

Fighting Oligarchy Tour | Bernie Sanders Official Website

Over the course of the next few weeks, I'll be hitting the road to have real discussions across America on how we move forward to take on the Oligarchs and corporate interests who have so much power and influence in this country.

bsanders-astro.pages.dev

Bernie and AOC going all over the country playing to packed crowds, including in red districts.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fighting+oligarchy+tour

Well good. At least it's something. I'll give it that much.

An old nationally unpopular guy and a young nationally unpopular woman.

I happen to like both of them--a lot, but they're not where the party needs to be right now.

According to YouGov, "Bernie Sanders is the 3rd most popular Democrat and the 4th most popular politician."

AOC is good bit more complex:

Based on recent polling data from early and mid-2025, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's (AOC) popularity is complex, with varying favorability depending on the demographic group:

• Among Democrats: AOC enjoys significant favorability, though slightly less than Senator Bernie Sanders. Roughly half of Democrats view her favorably, compared to about three-quarters for Sanders. This difference can largely be attributed to a higher number of Democrats who are unfamiliar with AOC and haven't formed an opinion.
• Compared to Chuck Schumer: A poll conducted by Data for Progress and shared with Politico showed AOC leading Senator Chuck Schumer in a hypothetical head-to-head New York primary, with 55% of Democratic likely voters supporting or leaning towards supporting her, compared to 36% for Schumer. This suggests a segment of the Democratic base may be seeking more progressive leadership.
• Overall Public Perception: A Gallup poll released in early August 2025 indicated that AOC has a slightly negative net favorability rating among the general public. 34% of respondents viewed her favorably, while 38% viewed her unfavorably, with 28% having no opinion.
• Compared to other political figures: AOC is viewed more favorably than some other prominent Democrats like House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, but less favorably than figures like Senator Bernie Sanders, according to Gallup News. She is also more popular than former President Donald Trump, but less popular than Robert F. Kennedy Jr. among the 14 newsmakers polled by Gallup News.
• Potential 2028 Presidential Primary: An Emerson College poll from June 2025 found AOC garnering 7% support among Democratic primary voters, placing her behind figures like Pete Buttigieg, Kamala Harris, and Gavin Newsom.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

So let's get this straight: you make a claim, but the burden lies on someone else to disprove your claim

What claim, exactly?
IIRC, it was that the CURRENT administration won't release bad news crime stats, or something like that.
What you posted gets no credit because it is unrelated to CURRENT crime.
However I did see something else (MSNBC, if you believe them) that would confirm that crime is down since T2 took the throne.
So ... you "win"? I guess.

It's not a matter of winning. I posted what I posted (FBI stats) just to show you that stats are available if you wanted to prove your claim that racially inspired violence against minority has had an uptick. That was your claim. It's not that I don't believe it's possible because I certainly do, but I also want evidence for the claim.