Why do you only criticize MY religion?

[Underseer]

Euthyphro isn't a dilemma.
You wouldn't ask;
Is acting wisely commanded by God because it is wise to act wisely, or is it wise to act wisely because it is commanded by God?

There's no dillema here.
Evil, immorality, sin = stupidity

Is stupidly stupid because God says don't act stupidly? Or does God say don't be stupid because it's stupid to act stupidly?
Does God act wisely because it is wise to act wisely?

See how meaningless it is for Euthyphro to construct such artificial dichotomies?

How didn't you just argue against yourself?

Your statments work. A statement doesn't become wise because God says it's wise. The statement needs to be able to stand on its own in the real world. We don't use God as a way to measure the wisdom of the Bible. We use the real world to measure the wisdom of the statement. Which is the point of Euthyphro dilemma.

The goodness of an act has to do with the impact that act has in the real world. Not because the Bible says it's good.

BTW, stupidity is just the opposite of wisdom. So you said the same thing twice

Here's what you don't understand.

Not only do Christians and Muslims not understand what an appeal to authority fallacy is, not only do they not understand why appeals to authority cannot support their truth claims, not only do they not understand that they have failed to prove that the authority in question actually exists, but they think that appeal to authority is the only way things can be true or false.

To Christians, Islam is not false because Muslims have utterly failed to demonstrate that their truth claims are true. To them, Islam is false because they are using the wrong authority on which to base their appeal to authority fallacies.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Euthyphro isn't a dilemma.
You wouldn't ask;
Is acting wisely commanded by God because it is wise to act wisely, or is it wise to act wisely because it is commanded by God?

There's no dillema here.
Evil, immorality, sin = stupidity

Is stupidly stupid because God says don't act stupidly? Or does God say don't be stupid because it's stupid to act stupidly?
Does God act wisely because it is wise to act wisely?

See how meaningless it is for Euthyphro to construct such artificial dichotomies?

How didn't you just argue against yourself?

Your statments work. A statement doesn't become wise because God says it's wise. The statement needs to be able to stand on its own in the real world. We don't use God as a way to measure the wisdom of the Bible. We use the real world to measure the wisdom of the statement. Which is the point of Euthyphro dilemma.

The goodness of an act has to do with the impact that act has in the real world. Not because the Bible says it's good.

BTW, stupidity is just the opposite of wisdom. So you said the same thing twice

Yes, rhetorical repetition for emphasis.
Tell me more about this argument from "real world"
Because it sounds like the very same method I use to show that Euthyphro is a false dilemma.
God does wise things because - in the real world - it is wise to do wise rhings.

It would be facile to ask God if it is good to do wise things. Euthyphro thinks he's being clever (sophistry IS fun) but it just doesn't comport with real world ontology to ask a wise person "...why do you act wisely? Is it because you are wise? Or are you a dumb person who unknowingly does wise things?"

Substitute the word "good" with "wise" and you unlock Euthyphro's mind-forged manacles.

At one point of the Bible God murders all humans except Noah and his family. That is an evil act. God of the Bible is objectively evil. The fact that God does it doesn't make it good.

God created human bodies that get cancer, and all manner of other gentic diseases. So clearly an incompetent designer. So God isn't wise.

See how even within the Bible's narrative I managed to support my claim.

 

[Learner]

A claim no doubt but personally I think you'd need a lot more than that (nowadays at least). Flawed design so-called certainly got missed in the "natural selection" process and dumb and dumbers are still being born ! ... my claim to flawed evolution (by the above standard).

What you need are the bits missing. God warns before any actions are taken, or a promises men say they'll keep with God i.e. covenants made after bad things in the first place , meaning ; promising not to do those naughty things again, or protecting those that follow God verses lesser god followers, if you will, and so forth.

 

[DrZoidberg]

A claim no doubt but personally I think you'd need a lot more than that (nowadays at least). Flawed design so-called certainly got missed in the "natural selection" process and dumb and dumbers are still being born ! ... my claim to flawed evolution (by the above standard).

What you need are the bits missing. God warns before any actions are taken, or a promises men say they'll keep with God i.e. covenants made after bad things in the first place , meaning ; promising not to do those naughty things again, or protecting those that follow God verses lesser god followers, if you will, and so forth.

What?