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If you think Trump won only because conservatives are deplorable racists, you have blinders on and are leading the Democrats to another loss.
Given the small margins of Trump victory in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania, it is a reasonable conclusion that racists and other deplorables are the reason for Trump's victory.

But, that begs the question of what the Democratic party needs to do in order to win the Presidency.
 
If you think Trump won only because conservatives are deplorable racists, you have blinders on and are leading the Democrats to another loss.
Given the small margins of Trump victory in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania, it is a reasonable conclusion that racists and other deplorables are the reason for Trump's victory.

But, that begs the question of what the Democratic party needs to do in order to win the Presidency.

If they want any hope of winning over the next generation? At this point the near-complete removal of the old guard.
 
If you think Trump won only because conservatives are deplorable racists, you have blinders on and are leading the Democrats to another loss.
Given the small margins of Trump victory in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania, it is a reasonable conclusion that racists and other deplorables are the reason for Trump's victory.

But, that begs the question of what the Democratic party needs to do in order to win the Presidency.
The political scene in the U.S. right now is scary. It's like a class of students getting to vote for which is the correct answer. That's great if you have a classroom full of bright curious people interested in a productive future, but that's hardly what we have in the U.S. right now. Kids are voting for their favorite teacher, the one that gives them good grades no matter how poorly they score, while deriding the brightest kids in the class.

It's working the way the constitution says it's supposed to work, which is the only good thing. But the not-so-smart kids are trying to disenfranchise and intimidate whole groups of voters and citizens. Not a good thing.
 
Given the small margins of Trump victory in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania, it is a reasonable conclusion that racists and other deplorables are the reason for Trump's victory.

But, that begs the question of what the Democratic party needs to do in order to win the Presidency.

If they want any hope of winning over the next generation? At this point the near-complete removal of the old guard.

Established parties never remove their entire old guard.
 
Some bigotry + some religious indoctrination + some sound conservative principles + some corporate corruption + some tribalism + some "liberals" (regressives) going authoritarian, crybullying, etc. + Democrats having little to offer or believe in.

All of that is part of it. Some of it is actually sound. If you can see nothing at all sound in the arguments of the conservative then you are an extremists and just as deep into your partisan bubble as you see the conservatives as being.

If you think Trump won only because conservatives are deplorable racists, you have blinders on and are leading the Democrats to another loss.

How can anyone be this ignorant?
 
Poll coming..

Holy Crap. I can't agree with you. The GOP is an incredible party. They have fewer voters in the US than the democrats, and yet they control the Presidency, the house, the senate, the supreme court, most state legislatures, most state senates, most state governorships. Any party that can rise in a democracy and rule with absolute control while having a minority of votes is a great party. If the dems continue to underestimate the republicans, we'll continue to have our asses handed to us.

I dont agree with your OP. The executive branch is NOT controlled by the GOP. Nor is 1/2 of the congress who are supposedly 100 GOP. There are teapartiers in congress and Trump is about as close to a third party as you will ever see in your lifetime. So given the circumstances it actually is surprising to me that as much gets done as has.taken place.
 
If you think Trump won only because conservatives are deplorable racists, you have blinders on and are leading the Democrats to another loss.
Given the small margins of Trump victory in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania, it is a reasonable conclusion that racists and other deplorables are the reason for Trump's victory.

But, that begs the question of what the Democratic party needs to do in order to win the Presidency.

They only need to convince the middle class they are not out to destroy them. That's all Trump did. No identity politics just say you are for working people regardless of race and sex.

This is never going to happen with the democrats. I think they are doomed.
 
I voted corporate interests, but it's more complicated than that. More accurately I would say short sighted corporate interests and personal greed.

As to the dummies in the party, well thats true, but only because the party is predominantly conservative. Stupid people are generally conservative, so thats a fit. Thats why Trump is a better fit for the republicans as well. The idea that he's intelligent is absurd-he's a dumbass. (He became a billionaire because his old man gave him a shitload of money, co-signed on some big loans and gave him all his business contacts. With all that he couldn't help but succeed in NYC real estate in the seventies.)
 
If you think Trump won only because conservatives are deplorable racists, you have blinders on and are leading the Democrats to another loss.
Given the small margins of Trump victory in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania, it is a reasonable conclusion that racists and other deplorables are the reason for Trump's victory.

But, that begs the question of what the Democratic party needs to do in order to win the Presidency.

To start with: by not clinging to a candidate that many democrats, most independents and ALL Republicans don't really like and would ONLY vote for because her opponent was a thousand times worse. Hilary Clinton is the only democratic politician that Republicans hate more than Barrack Obama; they might as well have put Nancy Pelosi as her running mate, just to go for Pissed Off Conservative Bingo.

Here's the thing: the majority of Americans AREN'T actually racist fucks. I'd estimate ten, twenty percent at most, with another thirty to forty percent having actionable but less coherent prejudices and bigotries that they are either barely aware of or think that everyone shares and therefore aren't that special. That still leaves you with 60% of voters for whom Donald Trump being a racist is not necessarily a deal breaker. For everyone else, that would disqualify him automatically, but there is a class of people in this country who think, at the very least on a subconscious level, that him being a bigoted asshole wouldn't really affect them at all, so he should be judged on other intangible/useless factors.

In which case, Donald Trump is just a fast-talking braggart with a shit ton of money and the willingness to blame all of our problems on easy targets. As long as he's making entitled white people feel like their problems are somebody else's fault (and more than a few of them, that all of their racist/sexist thoughts aren't actually something to be ashamed of after all) then he at least has points for likeability. In order to defeat him, you need to run a candidate who is both likeable and has the balls to propose actual solutions to America's problems without being perceived as cynically triangulating to whatever position the focus groups conclude is most likely to swing a few electoral votes.

I don't think the Democrats could be blamed for misunderstanding the voters. Misunderstanding implies they actually cared what the voters thought in the first place. The entire point of the 2016 election was to get Hilary Clinton in office, and since Donald Trump was her opponent they just assumed he would make a complete ass of himself (which he did) disqualify himself (which he also did) and be such an embarrassment that most normal people couldn't conceive of a Trump Presidency (which they couldn't). The only thing they misunderstood was how thoroughly hated Hilary Clinton really was; she was quite possibly the only candidate in the United States who stood any chance at all of loosing to Donald Trump. If John McCain or Mitt Romney or, hell, even Mitch McConnell had run against her, any one of them would have beaten her on a landslide.
 
I don't think the Democrats could be blamed for misunderstanding the voters. Misunderstanding implies they actually cared what the voters thought in the first place. The entire point of the 2016 election was to get Hilary Clinton in office, and since Donald Trump was her opponent they just assumed he would make a complete ass of himself (which he did) disqualify himself (which he also did) and be such an embarrassment that most normal people couldn't conceive of a Trump Presidency (which they couldn't). The only thing they misunderstood was how thoroughly hated Hilary Clinton really was; she was quite possibly the only candidate in the United States who stood any chance at all of loosing to Donald Trump. If John McCain or Mitt Romney or, hell, even Mitch McConnell had run against her, any one of them would have beaten her on a landslide.
And this is where the misunderstanding definitely continues.
 
Crazy Eddy said:
If John McCain or Mitt Romney or, hell, even Mitch McConnell had run against her, any one of them would have beaten her on a landslide.


No. Those republicans would not have even have made it to the general election.

The electorate wanted someone who was NOT a swamp member from Washington. And, believe or not thats what they still want. Which is why the democrats are doomed.

You are correct though that Hillary was deeply flawed. Even compared to those other buffoons.
 
Given the small margins of Trump victory in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania, it is a reasonable conclusion that racists and other deplorables are the reason for Trump's victory.

But, that begs the question of what the Democratic party needs to do in order to win the Presidency.

To start with: by not clinging to a candidate that many democrats, most independents and ALL Republicans don't really like and would ONLY vote for because her opponent was a thousand times worse. Hilary Clinton is the only democratic politician that Republicans hate more than Barrack Obama; they might as well have put Nancy Pelosi as her running mate, just to go for Pissed Off Conservative Bingo.

Here's the thing: the majority of Americans AREN'T actually racist fucks. I'd estimate ten, twenty percent at most, with another thirty to forty percent having actionable but less coherent prejudices and bigotries that they are either barely aware of or think that everyone shares and therefore aren't that special. That still leaves you with 60% of voters for whom Donald Trump being a racist is not necessarily a deal breaker. For everyone else, that would disqualify him automatically, but there is a class of people in this country who think, at the very least on a subconscious level, that him being a bigoted asshole wouldn't really affect them at all, so he should be judged on other intangible/useless factors.

In which case, Donald Trump is just a fast-talking braggart with a shit ton of money and the willingness to blame all of our problems on easy targets. As long as he's making entitled white people feel like their problems are somebody else's fault (and more than a few of them, that all of their racist/sexist thoughts aren't actually something to be ashamed of after all) then he at least has points for likeability. In order to defeat him, you need to run a candidate who is both likeable and has the balls to propose actual solutions to America's problems without being perceived as cynically triangulating to whatever position the focus groups conclude is most likely to swing a few electoral votes.

I don't think the Democrats could be blamed for misunderstanding the voters. Misunderstanding implies they actually cared what the voters thought in the first place. The entire point of the 2016 election was to get Hilary Clinton in office, and since Donald Trump was her opponent they just assumed he would make a complete ass of himself (which he did) disqualify himself (which he also did) and be such an embarrassment that most normal people couldn't conceive of a Trump Presidency (which they couldn't). The only thing they misunderstood was how thoroughly hated Hilary Clinton really was; she was quite possibly the only candidate in the United States who stood any chance at all of loosing to Donald Trump. If John McCain or Mitt Romney or, hell, even Mitch McConnell had run against her, any one of them would have beaten her on a landslide.

?? Are you serious? Trump beat the crap out of at least 10 very established and qualified republicans in 2016.
 
Crazy Eddy said:
If John McCain or Mitt Romney or, hell, even Mitch McConnell had run against her, any one of them would have beaten her on a landslide.


No. Those republicans would not have even have made it to the general election.

The electorate wanted someone who was NOT a swamp member from Washington. And, believe or not thats what they still want. Which is why the democrats are doomed.

You are correct though that Hillary was deeply flawed. Even compared to those other buffoons.

I would agree that it looks bleak for democrats. We have to win with substantially more votes. Your side can win with less votes. That isn't fair. But that's the system that we have. I wouldn't get too cocky. Every 10 to 15 years or so, one party takes every major office. Sweeps everything. Then they get complacent, and assume that their power will last forever. We're already seeing major shifts of popularity across the country turning against the republicans.
 
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Holy Crap. I can't agree with you. The GOP is an incredible party. They have fewer voters in the US than the democrats, and yet they control the Presidency, the house, the senate, the supreme court, most state legislatures, most state senates, most state governorships. Any party that can rise in a democracy and rule with absolute control while having a minority of votes is a great party. If the dems continue to underestimate the republicans, we'll continue to have our asses handed to us.

I dont agree with your OP. The executive branch is NOT controlled by the GOP. Nor is 1/2 of the congress who are supposedly 100 GOP. There are teapartiers in congress and Trump is about as close to a third party as you will ever see in your lifetime. So given the circumstances it actually is surprising to me that as much gets done as has.taken place.
Funny, because Republicans keep voting for these people you claim aren't Republicans.
 
Crazy Eddy said:
If John McCain or Mitt Romney or, hell, even Mitch McConnell had run against her, any one of them would have beaten her on a landslide.
No. Those republicans would not have even have made it to the general election.

The electorate wanted someone who was NOT a swamp member from Washington.
Yet they voted for a group of beavers.
And, believe or not thats what they still want. Which is why the democrats are doomed.
I think you are starting to get it, but don't understand what or why. The Democrats are in trouble because the right-wing has done such a great job of lying to the people that many Republicans went to the polls in '16 actually thinking the economy in '16 was worse than it was in '09. When there is a large percent of the populace that is so willfully lied to, it is near impossible to overcome it.
 
?? Are you serious? Trump beat the crap out of at least 10 very established and qualified republicans in 2016.

That only means Trump was more popular among Republicans who voted in the primary. It says nothing of the general election or of Hillary and how she would do.

You had the two of the most polarizing and least liked candidates in American history. Pretty much any other Democrat could have beaten Trump, and pretty much any other Republican could have beaten Hillary, including even Trump himself as it turned out.

Hillary was the worst Democrat party nominee pretty much ever, to the point that she had to write a book pointing fingers at others to try to maintain her denial and not lose her mind.
 
?? Are you serious? Trump beat the crap out of at least 10 very established and qualified republicans in 2016.
That only means Trump was more popular among Republicans who voted in the primary. It says nothing of the general election or of Hillary and how she would do.

You had the two of the most polarizing and least liked candidates in American history.
First off, Clinton isn't polarizing. Just because the right-wing mouth drools where he name is said is just evidence of the psychological programming performed on the right-wing.
Pretty much any other Democrat could have beaten Trump, and pretty much any other Republican could have beaten Hillary, including even Trump himself as it turned out.
We saw this happen in '12, with several attempts to hijack the Republican Primary. The mainstream Republican candidate lost in the General Election.

Hillary was the worst Democrat party nominee pretty much ever,
Couldn't have been that bad. She won the popular vote by millions. McGovern was trounced in '72... to a guy that would resign in a couple years.
 
I'd say it's a combination of the first two. There are some smart folks at the top who've found ways to make lots of money, but to do so, they have to fool the gullible crowds into voting against their own best financial interests by appealing to things like patriotism.

To be fair, the corporate, establishment Democrats aren't much better. They'll cave to social pressure on progressive points sooner than their GOP colleagues, but they still generally work to serve the best interests of their corporate donors. That's why groups like Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress are looking to get the money out of politics and hand the elections back to the people.
 
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