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Why the Republican sweep is no big deal.

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Democrats just felt the "six-year itch." The six-year itch is the term given to the tendency of a political party that has held the White House for six years to suffer badly in the mid-term elections. You can trace it back at least as far as Eisenhower when Republicans lost heavily in 1958. The same happened in 1966 after six years of Kennedy Johnson. Then there's the famous "Watergate Congress" elected in 1974. From the time Nixon was re-elected in 1972, you could have predicted a Democrat sweep two years later even if you'd never heard of Watergate. There is one exception to the rule, and that is in 1998 under Clinton when Republicans made only modest gains. But that's because of 1994. Republicans had won such a huge victory is 1994 that there was little room left on the upside. About all they did was regain what they had lost in the presidential year of 1996.

Everyone has an explanation for the massive defeat of the six year itch in the year that it happens, and some of these seem obvious. Watergate is obvious. The Eisenhower recession seems like an obvious explanation for Republican losses in 1958. But no one has an explanation for why there always seem to be something wrong, like scandal or recession, in a president's second term. Moreover, the presidents themselves are not always unpopular when the sweep occurs. That certainly was the case with Ike and probably with Reagan in 1986 as well.

What happens two years later in the election following the six-year itch? The opposition party wins the White House. There is only one exception to this. That was in 1988 when Bush succeeded Reagan. This is the only time a Party has held the White House for three successive terms since the two-term limit was adopted. Moreover, while the White House changes hands, the election is typically by a wafer-thin margin. Nixon/Kennedy in 1960 was probably the closest. But Nixon/Humphrey was also very close as was Carter/Ford. And then there's 2000 when the popular vote went one way and the electoral vote the other. The only exception to this rule is 2008 where Obama's win, while not a landslide, was still a fairly comfortable margin. However, it should be noted that two of those close races are highly suspect. In a "fair" election Nixon might very well have beaten Kennedy as there were sufficient irregularities in Illinois and Texas to have turned those states around. The other, of course, was 2000, where the situation was so close that improper voting even in a state like New Hampshire would have produced the opposite result. So we shouldn't conclude that there is something magic about the close elections always going to the opposition. It wouldn't take much for the party in the White House to retain power including, sometimes, just an honest count.

So, while this election is certainly bad news for the Democrats, it shouldn't at all be unexpected. And it doesn't mean that the Democrats are going to be uncompetitive in 2016.
 
It is a big deal because there is very little to show from the takeover since '06. In fact, the Dems had the House stripped away only four years later because of the ACA. Took the Republicans 6 years and 5,000 body bags to lose their control.
 
Blame congress in the first term and the president in the second.
Distractions.
The lobbo-politicianists are merely servers. They are all paid their living wage by the beast as long as they keep serving up our treasure and our blood.
 
It is a big deal because there is very little to show from the takeover since '06. In fact, the Dems had the House stripped away only four years later because of the ACA. Took the Republicans 6 years and 5,000 body bags to lose their control.

Well sure, it might be a big deal if we had a democratic-republic where the people paid more than lip service to their state and national sovereignty and constitution, which they do not. We all know that the usual theory is that Congress represents the sovereign people, the judicial branch applies the sovereigns law in disputes, and the executive branch faithfully executes the laws. The reality is the US is that judicial and executive branch decided they would decree their own laws, and enforce (or not enforce) laws as they see fit. "The people's" legislature is merely advisory, a body of folk the President and Judges thank for their input - to see if they have any good ideas before the real branches of power make the real laws.

The result of the election? Harry Reid's 300 to 400 House bill blockade will finally be broken. However, Obama and the Courts will still be an obstruction to democracy and the Constitution. Obama has already made it clear that will decree laws, starting with legalization of up to 17 million illegals, the actual immigration law of the nation will be suspended. . The Courts will not check his "eminent domain" taking of law making power, and the Senate will lack the super majority needed to impeach him. If Congress disagrees they can pass a law and "if he likes it", he will let them rubber stamp his new laws.

In short, Obama will open a new era of reality; Presidents with the support of 1/3rd of the Senate can write whatever laws they like, and ignore whatever laws they don't like. Congress and the Constitution are as relevant to our new government as the House of Lords and the Queen of England.

Why should that be a big deal to your side of the divide?
 
It is a big deal because there is very little to show from the takeover since '06. In fact, the Dems had the House stripped away only four years later because of the ACA. Took the Republicans 6 years and 5,000 body bags to lose their control.

Well sure, it might be a big deal if we had a democratic-republic where the people paid more than lip service to their state and national sovereignty and constitution, which they do not. We all know that the usual theory is that Congress represents the sovereign people, the judicial branch applies the sovereigns law in disputes, and the executive branch faithfully executes the laws. The reality is the US is that judicial and executive branch decided they would decree their own laws, and enforce (or not enforce) laws as they see fit. "The people's" legislature is merely advisory, a body of folk the President and Judges thank for their input - to see if they have any good ideas before the real branches of power make the real laws.

The result of the election? Harry Reid's 300 to 400 House bill blockade will finally be broken. However, Obama and the Courts will still be an obstruction to democracy and the Constitution. Obama has already made it clear that will decree laws, starting with legalization of up to 17 million illegals, the actual immigration law of the nation will be suspended. . The Courts will not check his "eminent domain" taking of law making power, and the Senate will lack the super majority needed to impeach him. If Congress disagrees they can pass a law and "if he likes it", he will let them rubber stamp his new laws.

In short, Obama will open a new era of reality; Presidents with the support of 1/3rd of the Senate can write whatever laws they like, and ignore whatever laws they don't like. Congress and the Constitution are as relevant to our new government as the House of Lords and the Queen of England.

Why should that be a big deal to your side of the divide?
How's the weather in the dimension you are living in? Is it like what we have in this reality?

You know, the reality where the number of Executive Orders (AKA ruling by decree) was something along the lines of:
  • Nixon - 345 (5 to 6 years)
  • Ford - 168 (3 years)
  • Carter - 319 (4 years)
  • Reagan - 380 (8 years)
  • HW Bush - 165 (4 years)
  • Clinton - 363 (8 years)
  • W - 490 ( 8 years)
  • Obama - 190 (6 years)

I have grown so tired of BS.
 
The L.A. Times headline the day after....the day after...

day after.....Republicans make big gains.....etc.

the day after the day after..... Record low voter turnout...etc.

There is a consensus in our society that most of us are actually only spectators in the governance of our country.

Tuesday was no big deal and no surprise. The Republicans did all their big sweep with less than 15% of the electorate voting for them. The narrative continues...the republican majority will force Obama to do all the things we know he should not do....like agree to TPP and Keystone XL and shut up about minimum wage and immigration reform. They also will be helpful in the expansion of the tried and true of these insipid poorly conceived wars. This is a usual sixth year phenomenon anyway between the D's and the R's and it is truly amazing how little the swing was considering the money the R's put into their advertising campaigns. In terms of capability of congress to take environmentally responsible actions, this congress will be about as anemic as I have ever seen. That IS A BIG DEAL. Don't worry, the Democratic political hacks will be back in force in 2016, but it won't mean much then. With Clinton, the Democrats have simply become Republican Lite anyway.
 
I see Bill is getting his excuses for the inevitable 2016 republican drubbing ready early.
 
arkirk raises an interesting fact. Turnout was low. In some places in Ohio, near a 36 year low. What is incredible, is that while the Republicans were energized, it was still that low. The Dems were neutered in Ohio. Virtually no reason to vote other than local positions (and judges... why the fuck do we vote for judges?!).
I see Bill is getting his excuses for the inevitable 2016 republican drubbing ready early.
Is it a drubbing though? Looking at the map, it isn't as easy for the Democrats as one would think. Missouri, Ohio and the like will be very hard to take back. I think that maybe 5 seats are available from all of the Republican seats up for election.

The question is who will face who in the General Election for President. Walker is a putz. Kasich may be the guy, or at least on the ticket. Two solid wins in a state the Republicans have a good shot at winning. He is really conservative, fiscally reckless, but hides it well enough to appear *cough* moderate.

I think the Dems will nominate Coakley from Massachusetts like the Republicans nominated Lincoln back in 1860 and hope for the best. I don't see Clinton getting the nomination.
 
Since bb and Max are both on ignore, I really have nothing to add.
But I thought I'd stop by and share this picture of a dog taking a shit to inject some substance into the discussion.

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I see Bill is getting his excuses for the inevitable 2016 republican drubbing ready early.

They may get drubbed in 2016 but it truly will not matter. The pipelne will be installed. The new coal exporting facilities will be under construction or complete. Every significant issue we have today will still be there to be stalled for two more years. I have no clue just how far backward we can go, but I can assure you however far that could be will be accomplished. Our retreat from social and environmental responsibility has been coming along nicely throughout these last six years and will continue.
 
Is it a drubbing though? Looking at the map, it isn't as easy for the Democrats as one would think. Missouri, Ohio and the like will be very hard to take back. I think that maybe 5 seats are available from all of the Republican seats up for election.

I think the dems could realistically take 8 of the republican seats: NH, PA, OH, IL, WI, AK, NC and FL.

But that depends on the strength of the Democrat nominee.

The question is who will face who in the General Election for President. Walker is a putz. Kasich may be the guy, or at least on the ticket. Two solid wins in a state the Republicans have a good shot at winning. He is really conservative, fiscally reckless, but hides it well enough to appear *cough* moderate.

Kasich would definitely be more dangerous than Walker. Kasich is very fiscally conservative plus I think he's just a pretty nice guy. That would play well in a general election. The problem is that he wouldn't make it out of the primaries. The republican primaries will give us an idiot like Chris Christie or Rick Perry.

I think the Dems will nominate Coakley from Massachusetts like the Republicans nominated Lincoln back in 1860 and hope for the best. I don't see Clinton getting the nomination.

Ugh, if Mass. Dems nominate Coakley again then they deserve to lose. She's a horrible candidate. My own dumb state Dem party got Crist nominated who's another horrible candidate. Rick Scott should have lost easily but the FL Dems made it easy for him by nominating former Republican-former independent Crist.
 
I think the dems could realistically take 8 of the republican seats: NH, PA, OH, IL, WI, AK, NC and FL.
I'm not that high on the idea of being able to replace Rob Portman in Ohio. He is another one of those "moderates". Also, Ohio apparently ran out of Democrats.

The question is who will face who in the General Election for President. Walker is a putz. Kasich may be the guy, or at least on the ticket. Two solid wins in a state the Republicans have a good shot at winning. He is really conservative, fiscally reckless, but hides it well enough to appear *cough* moderate.

Kasich would definitely be more dangerous than Walker. Kasich is very fiscally conservative...
In the sense that he uses one-time windfalls to justify long-term tax cut policies.
...plus I think he's just a pretty nice guy. That would play well in a general election. The problem is that he wouldn't make it out of the primaries. The republican primaries will give us an idiot like Chris Christie or Rick Perry.
I think Kasich could squeeze the crazy vote and the establishment vote. Obviously, it'll be harder to get the crazies on board with Kasich over Walker. Kasich at least appears to look at details and doesn't have an agenda that does not care about the consequences. He wanted to lease the Ohio Turnpike (something us Northern Ohioans paid for with our tolls)... to be able to spend money on transportation projects (like in the rural southeast). We weren't happy with that plan, and for one reason or the other he stepped back from it.

I think the Dems will nominate Coakley from Massachusetts like the Republicans nominated Lincoln back in 1860 and hope for the best. I don't see Clinton getting the nomination.
Ugh, if Mass. Dems nominate Coakley again then they deserve to lose. She's a horrible candidate. My own dumb state Dem party got Crist nominated who's another horrible candidate. Rick Scott should have lost easily but the FL Dems made it easy for him by nominating former Republican-former independent Crist.
I meant Coakley would be nominated for President. The campaign slogan could be "Third time is the charm!"
 
Well sure, it might be a big deal if we had a democratic-republic where the people paid more than lip service to their state and national sovereignty and constitution, which they do not. We all know that the usual theory is that Congress represents the sovereign people, the judicial branch applies the sovereigns law in disputes, and the executive branch faithfully executes the laws. The reality is the US is that judicial and executive branch decided they would decree their own laws, and enforce (or not enforce) laws as they see fit. "The people's" legislature is merely advisory, a body of folk the President and Judges thank for their input - to see if they have any good ideas before the real branches of power make the real laws.

The result of the election? Harry Reid's 300 to 400 House bill blockade will finally be broken. However, Obama and the Courts will still be an obstruction to democracy and the Constitution. Obama has already made it clear that will decree laws, starting with legalization of up to 17 million illegals, the actual immigration law of the nation will be suspended. . The Courts will not check his "eminent domain" taking of law making power, and the Senate will lack the super majority needed to impeach him. If Congress disagrees they can pass a law and "if he likes it", he will let them rubber stamp his new laws.

In short, Obama will open a new era of reality; Presidents with the support of 1/3rd of the Senate can write whatever laws they like, and ignore whatever laws they don't like. Congress and the Constitution are as relevant to our new government as the House of Lords and the Queen of England.

Why should that be a big deal to your side of the divide?

How's the weather in the dimension you are living in? Is it like what we have in this reality?

You know, the reality where the number of Executive Orders (AKA ruling by decree) was something along the lines of:
  • Nixon - 345 (5 to 6 years)
  • Ford - 168 (3 years)
  • Carter - 319 (4 years)
  • Reagan - 380 (8 years)
  • HW Bush - 165 (4 years)
  • Clinton - 363 (8 years)
  • W - 490 ( 8 years)
  • Obama - 190 (6 years)

I have grown so tired of BS.

No you have not, or you would not let politics make you drag out an obviously irrational argument. Otherwise very intelligent people can semi-consciously embrace some very dumb gambits, but you provide the same simple-minded gambit again and again, even after you have been shown why it is crazy - you seem to have a deep need to deny, to burn your bridges to reality.

While I am pretty sure you (on some level) already know (and recall) why it is dumb to offer a numerical tabulation on the numbers of executive orders as a 'counter' to the criticism of Obama's actions (or inactions) as illegal and/or unconstitutional, perhaps a few others ought to be reminded as well.

The number of EOs of a President may tell us of his willingness to use his lawful authority, but it tells us nothing whatsoever about whether or not he has exceeded his authority. Nor is every illegal Presidential decision or directive an EO. When, for example, Obama refuses to implement various provisions of PPACA, or invents bogus interpretations of other provisions, he has intentionally chosen to break with his oath and seize unconstitutional power - regardless of what Congress law approved (and he signed).

As Obama has not faithfully executed the plainly written law, and is promising to make his own immigration law, he is no longer on the line, but far over it. He has decided to make his own law and ignore the Constitution - something a President has not done on this scale since the civil war (or perhaps Jackson and the trail of tears).

The only way to cease being tired of being confronted with the facts is to think through the issues surrounding your denial; to be aware of your motivation for repeatedly asserting nonsense counter-factuals that are on their face irrelevant to criticism of Obama.

Might it just be that Obama really likes being an autocrat, and is going to cause a major crisis, probably a constitutional crisis, if he tears up the law on the books and gives amnesty to 5 to 15 million illegal aliens, provide them taxpayer funded Obamacare, and green cards? If he can do that, he can do what he likes (as long as 1/3rd of the Senate is supportive).

At least Chavez asked his legislature for the power of law-making decree's, a nicety that Obama has not bothered with.
 
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Why this might be a big deal:

Republicans gain big in state legislative elections

The number of states with Republicans in control of both legislative chambers came to 27 ahead of the election and has now edged closer to the high mark of 30 in 1920, according to Storey. By contrast, Democrats will control the lowest number of state legislatures since 1860, he said.

And we know what happened around then.

eta: hey, just noticed the republicans controlling around 30 state houses which last happened around 1920 . . . yet another good period in american history.

eta2: I'm off to buy beans, guns and ammo . . . back later!
 
Well that could be significant if the movement for a new Constitutional convention were to gain steam - something Mark Levin has been pushing.
 
ooh, I was just thinking about how to put another wedge in the crack between the republicans and the tea party. That's a good one.
 
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