Why would a brexit vote come at a time with conservatives in the U.K. government?

[ryan]

Isn't protectionism more of a characteristic of the left?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think it's more of a combination of "look at all the onerous regulations that the filthy librul elitists on the continent are forcing on us" combined with "look at all the Muslims this open borders treaty is getting us ... not that I'm trying to imply anything, of course, but ... look at all the Muslims".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Thinking wasn't much involved in this vote.

 

[Horatio Parker]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/john-king-left-wing-case-leaving-eu

Our membership of the EU undermined the major debates and warped most of the policies being put forward in the build-up to the election. The EU will influence the future of the NHS just as it helped smooth Tory privatisation of the Post Office and the organisational break-up of the railways; it is in tune with austerity and drives a larger and more deadly version in the eurozone; it escalates problems linked to housing, work, wages and education; creates worry and stirs up anger and threatens people’s sense of self. A lazy acceptance of establishment propaganda and a fear of being branded “xenophobic” have silenced many liberals and left-wingers. And yet the EU is driven by big business. This is a very corporate coup.

 

[Trausti]

Regardless of one's politics, why would you want a group of unelected bureaucrats in a faraway place dictating what your country can and cannot do?

 

[repoman]

I think that a well run EU with full democracy and accountability would be great.

 

[Axulus]

Regardless of one's politics, why would you want a group of unelected bureaucrats in a faraway place dictating what your country can and cannot do?

UK has influence on who those bureaucrats are. That influence comes from their elected government. They are unelected in the same manner that the bureaucrats in the US executive department draft up regulations that apply to Montana or Colorado. The EU is primarily a body to have uniform trading rules across the region. UK will still have to conform to these "unelected bureaucrat" rules if they want to continue to trade with the EU as the EU will reject any imports of products or services that do not conform to their regulations. There are also rules that privilege EU products/services vs. non-EU products/services, meaning that there will be new additional hurdles to jump through to sell products to the EU.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Regardless of one's politics, why would you want a group of unelected bureaucrats in a faraway place dictating what your country can and cannot do?

Hence the vote against the Eu be it 51.9%

 

[arkirk]

It is entirely impossible to assess at this time whether this is a good or bad move on the part of the British electorate. It seems xenophobic on the surface, but then linkage with Eurozone may just be fraught with hidden gentlemen's agreements that could well not be in the interest of the average working person in England. It looks like a stupid move, but often things are not as they appear.

 

[untermensche]

It is entirely impossible to assess at this time whether this is a good or bad move on the part of the British electorate. It seems xenophobic on the surface, but then linkage with Eurozone may just be fraught with hidden gentlemen's agreements that could well not be in the interest of the average working person in England. It looks like a stupid move, but often things are not as they appear.

It's xenophobia and racism. Anti Muslim hysteria.

The relationship between England and the EU is so complicated few who voted understand the consequences. Maybe nobody knows. I certainly don't have a clue.

Is this good or bad?

It all depends. When it is generally hard to find work that is bad for most but very good for a few.

 

[JonA]

It is entirely impossible to assess at this time whether this is a good or bad move on the part of the British electorate. It seems xenophobic on the surface, but then linkage with Eurozone may just be fraught with hidden gentlemen's agreements that could well not be in the interest of the average working person in England. It looks like a stupid move, but often things are not as they appear.

It's xenophobia and racism. Anti Muslim hysteria.

Good thing for the Leaves having people like you to support their movement...

They couldn't have done it without ya.

 

[chrisengland]

Thinking wasn't much involved in this vote.

I voted to stay. Less than 24 hours and some people are already regretting to vote leave and a second referendum is possible. Nigel Farage ahs already admitted that the money saved might not all go on the NHS. He conned the country and people fell for it.

 

[Jayjay]

Thinking wasn't much involved in this vote.

I voted to stay. Less than 24 hours and some people are already regretting to vote leave and a second referendum is possible. Nigel Farage ahs already admitted that the money saved might not all go on the NHS. He conned the country and people fell for it.

Nigel Farage a con man? Has the world gone mad?

 

[Derec]

It's xenophobia and racism. Anti Muslim hysteria.

Being against unrestricted mass migration of Muslims is neither "xenophobia" nor "hysteria".

Nothing to see there, right?

This infatuation the left has with Islam is quite unnerving.

When it is generally hard to find work

If it is so hard to find work why do EU leaders insist that EU needs millions of Muslim migrants to fill all these nonexistent jobs?

By the way, is it possible that UK will not leave the EU after all?
- the referendum is not legally binding
- David Cameron called the referendum in a failed gambit to shut up the Brexit proponents so he can't well go back on his word
- But he is quitting and his successor will implement the actual Brexit. Or not. There is no reason for the successor to feel obligated to honor Cameron's promise.
If that is the plan then obviously Boris Johnson (a Brexit supporter) will not be the next PM.

I think this is very fitting too.

 

[Jayjay]

I suppose they could call for new elections, and make it kind of a repeat referendum.

 

[Axulus]

Being against unrestricted mass migration of Muslims is neither "xenophobia" nor "hysteria".

Nothing to see there, right?

This infatuation the left has with Islam is quite unnerving.

When it is generally hard to find work

If it is so hard to find work why do EU leaders insist that EU needs millions of Muslim migrants to fill all these nonexistent jobs?

By the way, is it possible that UK will not leave the EU after all?
- the referendum is not legally binding
- David Cameron called the referendum in a failed gambit to shut up the Brexit proponents so he can't well go back on his word
- But he is quitting and his successor will implement the actual Brexit. Or not. There is no reason for the successor to feel obligated to honor Cameron's promise.
If that is the plan then obviously Boris Johnson (a Brexit supporter) will not be the next PM.

I think this is very fitting too.

The people who live in communities with the largest amount of immigrants, like London, voted strongly in favor of remain.

It is those who live in areas with low numbers of immigrants that voted to leave.

In other words, irrational fear that is abated by living around them and interacting with them.

Yet the details of the referendum demonstrate a paradox – that those who have experienced the highest levels of migration are the least anxious about it. The highest levels of remain voters were in areas of highest net migration, while some of the strongest leave areas have had the fewest recent new immigrants.

London, which absorbed 133,000 of the 330,000 net arrivals in 2015, voted the most strongly for remain. Manchester also voted for remain – and at 13,554 had nearly double the level of net migration seen in Birmingham, which voted leave.

The pattern is starkest at the local authority level. Lambeth in London, which recorded the highest remain vote of 78%, saw a net influx of 4,598, while Castle Point in Essex, which includes Canvey Island, saw a net inflow of only 81 new international migrants in 2015, but 72% of people there voted leave.

In Conservative Wandsworth in London, net migration was 6,295 and 75% of voters backed remain, while in Labour Hartlepool there was a net inflow of 113 and 69% of people voted to leave.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...migration-fears-were-paradoxical-but-decisive

 

[whichphilosophy]

Regardless of one's politics, why would you want a group of unelected bureaucrats in a faraway place dictating what your country can and cannot do?

UK has influence on who those bureaucrats are. That influence comes from their elected government. They are unelected in the same manner that the bureaucrats in the US executive department draft up regulations that apply to Montana or Colorado. The EU is primarily a body to have uniform trading rules across the region. UK will still have to conform to these "unelected bureaucrat" rules if they want to continue to trade with the EU as the EU will reject any imports of products or services that do not conform to their regulations. There are also rules that privilege EU products/services vs. non-EU products/services, meaning that there will be new additional hurdles to jump through to sell products to the EU.

The unelected Eurocrats can also overturn laws made in the UK and court rulings; in fact are making laws for the UK, is now done by them.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Being against unrestricted mass migration of Muslims is neither "xenophobia" nor "hysteria".

Nothing to see there, right?

This infatuation the left has with Islam is quite unnerving.

If it is so hard to find work why do EU leaders insist that EU needs millions of Muslim migrants to fill all these nonexistent jobs?

By the way, is it possible that UK will not leave the EU after all?
- the referendum is not legally binding
- David Cameron called the referendum in a failed gambit to shut up the Brexit proponents so he can't well go back on his word
- But he is quitting and his successor will implement the actual Brexit. Or not. There is no reason for the successor to feel obligated to honor Cameron's promise.
If that is the plan then obviously Boris Johnson (a Brexit supporter) will not be the next PM.

I think this is very fitting too.

The people who live in communities with the largest amount of immigrants, like London, voted strongly in favor of remain.

It is those who live in areas with low numbers of immigrants that voted to leave.

In other words, irrational fear that is abated by living around them and interacting with them.

Yet the details of the referendum demonstrate a paradox – that those who have experienced the highest levels of migration are the least anxious about it. The highest levels of remain voters were in areas of highest net migration, while some of the strongest leave areas have had the fewest recent new immigrants.

London, which absorbed 133,000 of the 330,000 net arrivals in 2015, voted the most strongly for remain. Manchester also voted for remain – and at 13,554 had nearly double the level of net migration seen in Birmingham, which voted leave.

The pattern is starkest at the local authority level. Lambeth in London, which recorded the highest remain vote of 78%, saw a net influx of 4,598, while Castle Point in Essex, which includes Canvey Island, saw a net inflow of only 81 new international migrants in 2015, but 72% of people there voted leave.

In Conservative Wandsworth in London, net migration was 6,295 and 75% of voters backed remain, while in Labour Hartlepool there was a net inflow of 113 and 69% of people voted to leave.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...migration-fears-were-paradoxical-but-decisive

Many from immigrant backgrounds (Asia and Middle East) appear to have voted to stay but also the majority tend to vote Labour.

 

[Canard DuJour]

Why would a brexit vote come at a time with conservatives in the U.K. government?

Isn't protectionism more of a characteristic of the left?

English Conservatism has always meant being a Little Englander and market globalist in the same breath. It's the Brit equivalent of "Keep government out of medicare!!"

The contradiction is made digestible by the tabloid press (esp The Daily Mail) pretending the EU is the kind of federal welfare state its founders envisaged decades ago, and not the largely neoliberal institution it has become. Thus ordinary conservatives conflate blocking the flood of cheap labour which has hurt them with "standing on your own two feet!!"

 

[whichphilosophy]

Why would a brexit vote come at a time with conservatives in the U.K. government?

Isn't protectionism more of a characteristic of the left?

English Conservatism has always meant being a Little Englander and market globalist in the same breath. It's the Brit equivalent of "Keep government out of medicare!!"

The contradiction is made digestible by the tabloid press (esp The Daily Mail) pretending the EU is the kind of federal welfare state its founders envisaged decades ago, and not the largely neoliberal institution it has become. Thus ordinary conservatives conflate blocking the flood of cheap labour which has hurt them with "standing on your own two feet!!"

Wealthier countries through skill and dedication have achieved higher standards for its citizens. Poorer countries have not. There is no problem taking in foreign workers to fill in locally advertised jobs that cannot be filled. However, the Hong Kong model also mandated in law that such imported labourers could not be paid less than local workers. Thus any money still earned will still flow more into the economy purchasing more consumer goods instead of maximising corporate profits. Hong Kong boomed with such legislation.