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Women's Studies Must Die

 
 
 
Trausti said:
Sign the petition: https://www.change.org/p/universities-suspend-social-justice-in-universities?recruiter=73657237&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

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Why not encourage burning books in the process. The student is entitled to select subjects to study. Now when the speaker talks about education should be about learning truths, who's truths. Diversity of viewpoint and opinion is vital to preserve any secular democracy.
 
whichphilosophy said:
The student is entitled to select subjects to study. Now when the speaker talks about education should be about learning truths, who's truths. Diversity of viewpoint and opinion is vital to preserve any secular democracy.
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While a student is indeed allowed to select their courses, they don't select what goes on in them. For example, in my undergrad there were several women's studies courses available and an entire degree program for it. That seems adequate, no?

No.

There was nary a class I took while earning my English degree where women's issues weren't prevalent. Even Shakespeare was dominated by women's issues. Whatever the course was, whatever the readings were, if there was a female involved, you could just write about it being a women's issue and get an A. It was utterly pathetic and lazy and frankly I felt robbed by the whole process. Only one teacher in one class ever said that we couldn't write about women's issues. It was a class in which we studied Milton's Paradise Lost for the entire semester. The gasps of horror were akin to that of the fallen angels bemoaning their fate in the pit.

Thankfully for me it was just a pit-stop. But for the young people, they had to be stunted by it.
 
repoman said:
This is a great video in a series of videos...

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Can I highlight how lazy and insulting this type of OP is? Why is it a great video? What's in the video? What parts of it are particularly interesting or important?
At least provide a short summary so I can decided if I want to pay the price of 15 minutes of my life before becoming involved in this thread.

I didn't watch the whole thing but it seems like she's complaining that took a class and was forced to read a book that she didn't agree with. (Oh the horror!)

(Also, Did she even read the whole book? She keeps mentioning "the chapter" is she only talking about one chapter in one book she was forced to read?)

Of course, she's right that the book she read was not an accurate depiction of reality, but that's not a good enough reason to throw all of gender studies out the window as she claims is necessary.

How many people were forced to read books by Plato taking a philosophy class? Does the fact that most of Plato's musing are crap mean that teaching philosophy should be discarded? How many other philosophers and books about philosophy are there out in the world? How many other authors of books about gender studies are there out in the world? Isn't it possible that there is some value out there in philosophy or gender studies despite the occasional bad book or mere chapter?

Stupid video.
 
Colonel Sanders said:
whichphilosophy said:
The student is entitled to select subjects to study. Now when the speaker talks about education should be about learning truths, who's truths. Diversity of viewpoint and opinion is vital to preserve any secular democracy.
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While a student is indeed allowed to select their courses, they don't select what goes on in them. For example, in my undergrad there were several women's studies courses available and an entire degree program for it. That seems adequate, no?

No.

There was nary a class I took while earning my English degree where women's issues weren't prevalent. Even Shakespeare was dominated by women's issues. Whatever the course was, whatever the readings were, if there was a female involved, you could just write about it being a women's issue and get an A. It was utterly pathetic and lazy and frankly I felt robbed by the whole process. Only one teacher in one class ever said that we couldn't write about women's issues. It was a class in which we studied Milton's Paradise Lost for the entire semester. The gasps of horror were akin to that of the fallen angels bemoaning their fate in the pit.

Thankfully for me it was just a pit-stop. But for the young people, they had to be stunted by it.
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Clearly forcing only women's issues narrows the field of observation and education which is just as bad as banning them. The educational establishments should offer the student more flexibility on what they write and report about. Did you get your money back?
 
rousseau said:
A lot of the liberal leaning humanities courses have always struck me as a bit pseudo-sciency, but that's because they're almost completely new disciplines. The origins of philosophy and science go back a long way, but the idea that women, homosexuals, people of colour etc exist somewhere in a power dynamic and that we'd benefit by understanding that dynamic is a relatively new one.

That doesn't mean that women's studies should die, that means we should continue to refine it's theories until it's not pseudo-sciency.
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There might be some merit under the crap but that doesn't change the fact that the current stuff is crap.
 
whichphilosophy said:
Trausti said:
Sign the petition: https://www.change.org/p/universities-suspend-social-justice-in-universities?recruiter=73657237&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

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Why not encourage burning books in the process. The student is entitled to select subjects to study. Now when the speaker talks about education should be about learning truths, who's truths. Diversity of viewpoint and opinion is vital to preserve any secular democracy.
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This isn't about burning books, but using the sunshine to drive out the vampires.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ucO8XOw3c[/YOUTUBE]
 
zorq said:
Can I highlight how lazy and insulting this type of OP is? Why is it a great video? What's in the video? What parts of it are particularly interesting or important?
At least provide a short summary so I can decided if I want to pay the price of 15 minutes of my life before becoming involved in this thread.
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You should get a computer like mine where participating in threads is optional.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
rousseau said:
A lot of the liberal leaning humanities courses have always struck me as a bit pseudo-sciency, but that's because they're almost completely new disciplines. The origins of philosophy and science go back a long way, but the idea that women, homosexuals, people of colour etc exist somewhere in a power dynamic and that we'd benefit by understanding that dynamic is a relatively new one.

That doesn't mean that women's studies should die, that means we should continue to refine it's theories until it's not pseudo-sciency.
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There might be some merit under the crap but that doesn't change the fact that the current stuff is crap.
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Have you taken any of the courses?
 
dismal said:
zorq said:
Can I highlight how lazy and insulting this type of OP is? Why is it a great video? What's in the video? What parts of it are particularly interesting or important?
At least provide a short summary so I can decided if I want to pay the price of 15 minutes of my life before becoming involved in this thread.
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You should get a computer like mine where participating in threads is optional.
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How does that rebut anything I said. I even used the word "decide" in the bit you quoted.

Here's an (already antiquated) online book of netiquette:
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p39.html
http://www.albion.com/bookNetiquette/0963702513p68.html
The pages I just linked to refer to rules about not wasting other people's time and using descriptive subject lines. This Thread has a click-bait title (exactly the same as the click-bait title of the video it links to) and nothing else.

This isn't new stuff.
 
barbos said:
rousseau said:
I have a degree in biology, it's more the rampant misogyny that's the problem.
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So, do you think gender is a social construct?
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That is a stupid question. A lot of what is supposedly gender specific are social constructs. (As is a lot of other things) a lot of what is natural gender specific is just tradition. A lot is also biological. And a lot is both.

So. Womens studies, feministic theory, doesnt say that there is no bilogical component. It simply studies what hasnt been focused on before: the impact of social constructs and traditiin.
 
Juma said:
barbos said:
So, do you think gender is a social construct?
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That is a stupid question. A lot of what is supposedly gender specific are social constructs. (As is a lot of other things) a lot of what is natural gender specific is just tradition. A lot is also biological. And a lot is both.

So. Womens studies, feministic theory, doesnt say that there is no bilogical component. It simply studies what hasnt been focused on before: the impact of social constructs and traditiin.
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That's a stupid answer to a rhetorical question.
 
zorq said:
dismal said:
You should get a computer like mine where participating in threads is optional.
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How does that rebut anything I said. I even used the word "decide" in the bit you quoted.

Here's an (already antiquated) online book of netiquette:
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p39.html
http://www.albion.com/bookNetiquette/0963702513p68.html
The pages I just linked to refer to rules about not wasting other people's time and using descriptive subject lines. This Thread has a click-bait title (exactly the same as the click-bait title of the video it links to) and nothing else.

This isn't new stuff.
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It's not intended to rebut what you said because I don't disagree with what you said. My reaction to the exact same feelings you had was to not participate in the thread.

Except for this diversion, of course.
 
repoman said:
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I read the entire video on tiny closed captioning, the video can't be expanded to full screen. Fifteen minutes of talk to present three minutes of ideas and support for the ideas.

She is certainly on to something here, calling out college courses that have no basis in reality, that promote postmodernism, identity politics and victimhood, that waste money and the intellectual capacities of the people who study them.

While I say good for her, I can hardly wait for her videos on the far greater waste of religious studies and mainstream economics. These trap many more people, waste much more money and have a much greater negative impact on society as a whole than women's studies.
 
Some classes always have a bit of BS in them. Look at Psychology. Still teach Freud, though most of his stuff has been debunked as his problems with women.
 
credoconsolans said:
Some classes always have a bit of BS in them. Look at Psychology. Still teach Freud, though most of his stuff has been debunked as his problems with women.
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I took psychology classes back in 2004 and 2005 and they make very clear that his theories have been mostly discredited. He is taught more so as part of the history of the field of psychology since he was very influential at one time.
 
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