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Would people leaving an insular group make that group more insular?

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I was thinking about Roma, Amish and some orthodox Jews. They have had insular societies for a fair amount of time. But what is the rate of their members wanting to get out from them and entering the main local society and outbreeding?

Is there a genetic sieve that is taking away certain personality traits when this happens? What traits are left behind?

I am not even sure what social science terms would be used for this.
 
When one considers practical examples of people leaving closed groups, it tends to the those of child bearing age. The effect is an overall drop in the birthrate, but no real change in genetic makeup.

The real effect it has, is to aggravate the reasons young people want to leave. The top of the list of reasons is lack of suitable partners. Very few among us, male or female, want to face the prospect of a life with no chance of a loving partner. Whatever economic incentive there maybe to stay in the clan, hormonal incentives are much more powerful. I'm not sure what personality types are left behind, but those who leave will be the most inquisitive and brave, which is the type most needed in any small group.


The Shaker sects of 19th century USA were celibate and so had no birthrate to increase their numbers. They depended upon converts and the adoption of orphans. The converts tended to stay, especially the older ones. However, the drop out rate or the orphans was nearly 100%, once they reached adulthood. Shaker life was not luxurious, but it was comfortable for those who took to the communal life and followed the rules. This was not enough to keep a 16 to 18 year old young man or woman on the farm.
 
Specific personality traits aren't generally considered predictably heritable these days; at least, not in the direct gene-to-trait way that this would suggest. There are any number of ways that your genetic code might affect subjective expressions of personality, but personality itself is a complex phenomenon that is at least partially a social construct (ie, scientifically you don't really have "a personality" so much as a bundle of materially unrelated traits and conditions that the humans around you use cultural frameworks to "interpret as a personality"). There are also some studies that show a correlation between genes and personality expression, especially across certain spectra. But we're talking about very small statistical correlations; present and real, but dwarfed in effect by other factors such as socialization, enculturation, and individual experience or psychosis. Teleological errors are common when laypeople attempt to discuss genetics, and this particular area is one in which "gene for" type studies have proved especially useless.

So the kind of genetic manipulation you are suggesting here probably wouldn't work. It would work on other animals, to a certain extent, but even in that case it would likely take a very long time - note for instance seven centuries of unsuccessful attempts to breed docility into American bison populations, and that in much smaller and less variable breeding communities than even the tiniest of human village networks. Humans would be much more resistant than bison to such attempts, given the much greater complexity of what we call "personality", and most nativist religious movements such as the one you describe do not last all that long in comparison. Which is not to say that there aren't other genetic consequences to such insular reproductive practices. Unlike personality, many diseases and disorders are coded for by a single gene or a small cluster of genes, and in such cases intentional decisions about reproduction can have enormous impacts within a small breeding population.

Also, setting the genetic question aside, the phenomenon of a younger population frequently leaving upon coming-of-age is one we see in many disadvantaged communities around the world, and the social impacts of this trend are considerable; resource production can stagnate, cultural and linguistic transmission are badly interrupted, ecological relationships often become maladaptive, and the group becomes more vulnerable to external exploitation. On the other hand, research shows that the communities most affected by human capital flight are in many ways benefited. Those who leave mostly stay gone, but not everyone stays gone forever, nor is the economic (and sometimes legal) link between themselves and their families entirely severed; for an impoverished community, the presence of a missing generation can carry significant and even surprising economic and political advantages for those left behind, despite the often painful costs.
 
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The ones that leave are the least insular, thus the average shifts towards being more insular.

It's the same as evaporation cooling something--the most energetic molecules leave, the average of the remainder is lower.
 
Yours was a very good and seductive a priori theory but you should have read the post before yours.

It's all already explained in there. Really.
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