Yet another war, this time with Iran

[aupmanyav]

Again, I understand your position. It’s unrealistic to expect India to stop buying Russian oil. Your country has a balancing act to play having three very aggressive imperialist countries near it. But every dollar going into Russia prolongs this war. I think that any country that can should withdraw from Russia until their imperialism stops.

That sort of ends that discussion. We cannot and will not. US does not give us software control even if we buy their costly airplanes. Three very aggressive imperialist countries? Which ones? China and who? Russia is far way from India.

 

[aupmanyav]

What did NATO do to foment this uprising, just generally speaking?

Paid the rabble leaders. Some one is doing the same in India too. US / China (through George Soros?) in collaboration with Indian opposition political parties. They want a Gen-Z revolution in India.
Abhijit Dipke of "Cockroach Janata Party" to land in India from US on June 6. That is OK in a democracy. Modi knows how to deal with such people. Barring local upheavals, Indian people will stick with Modi and his party.
The lower blue area in North (in all likelihood) may turn orange in 1927.

 

[aupmanyav]

NATO is at fault for having countries with strong open economies and freedom.

US wants world domination. Grow rich by controlling Gas/Petrol supplies. More so with Trump at the helm. No rule of law applies, only greed.

Your morality is wack.

Trump's US or its acolytes should not be talking about morality.

 

[barbos]

You are suggesting that if only Ukraine would lay back, stop fighting and accept the Russian rapists into their country the war would be over. You blame the suffering in Ukraine on NATO for helping to repel a rapist instead of the rapist. WHY? Why do you continuously defend Russian imperialism?

There would not have been a war if US, NATO had not interfered in Ukraine politics by formenting Maidan uprising.

Evidence of this: Zero.

But even if true (it's most likely not) it still wouldn't justify the murder and invasion by Russia.

"I saw another man try to kiss her! She had it coming! I had no choice but to rape her!" Your morality is wack.

Well, I'm sure our CIA spooks were meddling in the Ukraine before 2014 just like the Russians were. But that doesn't justify invading a country. We all meddle in other countries.

The irony of it coming from the american is breathtaking.
You fucking conducted a coup, installed nazi regime and started civil war on russuian pupulation of the country. Yes, your CIA director came to Kiev and told their nazi puppets to call russians in ukraine terrorists.
Russia was not only in its right to intervene it was obligated to do so.
We are obligated to exterminate that regime. The fact is, The current Western regimes need to go too.
I hope they will get kicked out democratically but that hope is not very high.

 

[barbos]

Trump's US or its acolytes should not be talking about morality.

nor any other US leaders in the last 80 years.

 

[aupmanyav]

Well, I'm sure our CIA spooks were meddling in the Ukraine before 2014 just like the Russians were. But that doesn't justify invading a country. We all meddle in other countries.

Now you accept. They should not. When they do, countries will react according to their assessment of the situation.

 

[zorq]

Well, I'm sure our CIA spooks were meddling in the Ukraine before 2014 just like the Russians were. But that doesn't justify invading a country. We all meddle in other countries.

Now you accept. They should not. When they do, countries will react according to their assessment of the situation.

Of course they will, and some of those possible reactions are murderous and psychotic. That you refuse to recognize them as murderous and psychotic speaks volumes.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Here's a good video explaining the shitty economy of Iran

That is not going to stop the US-Iran war. The are die-hard people just like in Afghanistan.

Nonsense.

Iran was on the brink of collapse before the war. What triggered it was a string of violent uprisings against the regime.

Support is weak.

The ayatollah is only in power thanks to terror. If they show any weaknes they're toast.

Unfortunately the imams are die hard. But only them. And that's a tiny tiny group

 

[Patooka]

Here's a good video explaining the shitty economy of Iran

That is not going to stop the US-Iran war. The are die-hard people just like in Afghanistan.

Nonsense.

Iran was on the brink of collapse before the war. What triggered it was a string of violent uprisings against the regime.

Support is weak.

The ayatollah is only in power thanks to terror. If they show any weaknes they're toast.

Unfortunately the imams are die hard. But only them. And that's a tiny tiny group

The imans now have a tighter hold in Iran thanks to this fucking moronic war. All they have to do is wrap themselves up in faux patriotic nationalism and they're set. This isn't an original story - look at Bush Jnr's and Giuliani's approval ratings in October of 2001.

 

[barbos]

Iran was on the brink of collapse before the war. What triggered it was a string of violent uprisings against the regime, organized by the Mossad, CIA and Scott Bessent.

fixed for you

 

[TV and credit cards]

What did NATO do to foment this uprising, just generally speaking?

Paid the rabble leaders. Some one is doing the same in India too. US / China (through George Soros?) in collaboration with Indian opposition political parties. They want a Gen-Z revolution in India.
Abhijit Dipke of "Cockroach Janata Party" to land in India from US on June 6. That is OK in a democracy. Modi knows how to deal with such people. Barring local upheavals, Indian people will stick with Modi and his party.
The lower blue area in North (in all likelihood) may turn orange in 1927.

My bold - You know if I made a statement like this, I'd damn sure feel some obligation to provide some support for it. For you, that obligation should be much greater in that you've already admitted to filtering news to that which fits your worldview. I would go one step further and say I have serious doubt you have the ability to distinguish news from opinion.
I don't know what passes for AM radio there but whatever it is, you're probably fairly well steeped in it.

When I was in the navy, any time we'd hit a liberty port we'd get a brief on the local culture, the dos and don'ts, etc. And these briefs always ended with the statement, "Remember, you are an ambassador of your country so conduct yourself properly".
I know you are only one of 1.47 billion but Jesus H. Christ, I'd think you'd like to be a better representative of your nation and not trot out some unsupported tired old George Soros conspiracy crap.

George Soros is 95 years old. Twenty dollars and my left nut says, when he dies, in the minds of many, he doesn't really die.

 

[zorq]

Nonsense. Putin has stated he wants to return Russia’s empire.

Nonsense. A personal view. Does he have that large a mouth to gobble up, 14 countries?

The personal view of an autocratic dictator is ... law.

Is his mouth large enough? Well with enough people like you willing to whitewash, ignore, run interference, and excuse his atrocities, he certainly can.

 

[Arctish]

Nonsense. Putin has stated he wants to return Russia’s empire.

Nonsense. A personal view. Does he have that large a mouth to gobble up, 14 countries?

The personal view of an autocratic dictator is ... law.

Is his mouth large enough? Well with enough people like you willing to whitewash, ignore, run interference, and excuse his atrocities, he certainly can.

Especially if he does it one bite at a time. Georgia, Crimea, Donbas, a bit of Moldova, etc.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Here's a good video explaining the shitty economy of Iran

That is not going to stop the US-Iran war. The are die-hard people just like in Afghanistan.

Nonsense.

Iran was on the brink of collapse before the war. What triggered it was a string of violent uprisings against the regime.

Support is weak.

The ayatollah is only in power thanks to terror. If they show any weaknes they're toast.

Unfortunately the imams are die hard. But only them. And that's a tiny tiny group

The imans now have a tighter hold in Iran thanks to this fucking moronic war. All they have to do is wrap themselves up in faux patriotic nationalism and they're set. This isn't an original story - look at Bush Jnr's and Giuliani's approval ratings in October of 2001.

I'd argue the context is too different.

How could they possibly have tighter control now than before the war? They were already at max. The control was so tight the people were suffocating. It was so tight, it was at the point of falling apart.

Iran is way past the point where they can wrap themselves up in patriotic nationalism. The regime has lost the people.

If I'm to trust my Iranian friends. Iran is a culture where 25% is a rabid Islamist who doesn't believe in reality, but trust the regime. They're basically conspiracy theorists. And 75% couldn't possibly hate the regime any more.

This btw is true both for expat Iranians, as well as Iranians in the country.

The confusing thing about the Iranian expat community is that a large portion of them are families who escaped the shah's draconian oppression. Ie, they're the rabid Islamists who brought Khomeini to power. But were too rooted in their new country to go back after the revolution. Those are typically in favour of the regime and defend it.

So the Iranian expat community is about 25% who love the regime, to an irrational degree, and 75% who hate the regime. This split is often within the same family. Leading to much conflict around the dinner tables.

 

[barbos]

You are suggesting that if only Ukraine would lay back, stop fighting and accept the Russian rapists into their country the war would be over. You blame the suffering in Ukraine on NATO for helping to repel a rapist instead of the rapist. WHY? Why do you continuously defend Russian imperialism?

There would not have been a war if US, NATO had not interfered in Ukraine politics by formenting Maidan uprising.

The war wouldn’t have started if Russia hadn’t meddled with the Ukraine government before maiden revolution pushing the Ukrainian governmen into pro Russian actions that the population didn’t want.

That's pretty pathetic even for you.
I mean reminding Ukraine that NATO and EU membership violates Ukrainan constitution and current agreements with Russia is called meddling in your universe.

 

[Harry Bosch]

You are suggesting that if only Ukraine would lay back, stop fighting and accept the Russian rapists into their country the war would be over. You blame the suffering in Ukraine on NATO for helping to repel a rapist instead of the rapist. WHY? Why do you continuously defend Russian imperialism?

There would not have been a war if US, NATO had not interfered in Ukraine politics by formenting Maidan uprising.

The war wouldn’t have started if Russia hadn’t meddled with the Ukraine government before maiden revolution pushing the Ukrainian governmen into pro Russian actions that the population didn’t want.

That's pretty pathetic even for you.
I mean reminding Ukraine that NATO and EU membership violates Ukrainan constitution and current agreements with Russia is called meddling in your universe.

The real problem here is that you don't understand Ukraine. You don't understand Ukrainians. Ukrainians decide to overthrow their Russian puppet leader. They decided as a country to move towards the west. Then your country invaded, starting the war. Ukrainians are fighting Russians in Ukraine. There are no Nato troops in Ukraine. Yes Nato and the west are helping Ukraine with supplies and arms. But Ukraine is also building some of their own arms; and they have become the best most effective drone army in the world. They are ahead of Nato and the US here. Of course, the US meddles in other countries internal affairs. We want countries to favor the US and trade with us, give us better deals. Every country does this. Your side does the absolute same! Until you understand some of these basic facts; you're going to continue being confused.

 

[aupmanyav]

Of course they will, and some of those possible reactions are murderous and psychotic. That you refuse to recognize them as murderous and psychotic speaks volumes.

Why should I judge other people? What I judge will be just my own opinion. Both the parties may have their reason to act that way.

The ayatollah is only in power thanks to terror. If they show any weaknes they're toast.
Unfortunately the imams are die hard. But only them. And that's a tiny tiny group

I am not a prophet. I would not predict what will happen between Trump and Mojtaba. Trump says one thing today and another tomorrow. Iranians are correct to say that they don't believe Trump. We too do not believe in what Trump says.

Is his mouth large enough? Well with enough people like you willing to whitewash, ignore, run interference, and excuse his atrocities, he certainly can.

I can neither help nor stop Trump, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu or Mojtaba, doing what they want to do.

 

[barbos]

The real problem here is that you don't understand Ukraine. You don't understand Ukrainians.

Says the guy who never saw let alone lived with ukrainians.

 

[barbos]

Ukrainians decide to overthrow their Russian puppet leader.

Says who?

 

[aupmanyav]

I would go one step further and say I have serious doubt you have the ability to distinguish news from opinion.
I don't know what passes for AM radio there but whatever it is, you're probably fairly well steeped in it.

When I was in the navy, any time we'd hit a liberty port we'd get a brief on the local culture, the dos and don'ts, etc. And these briefs always ended with the statement, "Remember, you are an ambassador of your country so conduct yourself properly".
I know you are only one of 1.47 billion but Jesus H. Christ, I'd think you'd like to be a better representative of your nation and not trot out some unsupported tired old George Soros conspiracy crap.

George Soros is 95 years old. Twenty dollars and my left nut says, when he dies, in the minds of many, he doesn't really die.

I can, but that will not be a post but a thesis. I don't have time for it. It has been decades since I listened to a radio program. I don't want music or blabber on the car radio. Thankfully, I am hard of hearing, so the family can play whatever they like.
I am no Ambassador, I am just a simple person. I say what I perceive as truth. There will always be people to do the dirty jobs. Does not matter if Soros lives or dies. Soros was never the only one to do this.