Yet another war, this time with Iran

[KCFlyer]

It's still under 4 bucks in Georgia, except for diesel.

Yeah. And even better....diesel is what powers those trucks that deliver those things called "groceries"...a word that nobody knew, but it's the food you buy at stores...are powered by diesel. If they thought Bidenflation was fun...brace yourself for Trumpflation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump did better with Hispanics and black men and Arabs. Trump won because he has done what he has made a career of, convincing people to act against their own self interest for his own. It is the only thing he is good at.

I know I don't feel represented, but it'll never cease to blow my mind that anyone, let alone minorities, would ever vote for Trump. It's fucking disgraceful. At the same time, it's shameful that the Dems have lost unions as well as anyone that has to endure the American healthcare system and all of its exorbitant costs. How do you lose those people???

Decades of lies on the AM Radio dial and Cable News. They were able to convince unions they gave a fuck about the people who's jobs they were quite happy to send overseas, and then distracted them with cultural issues to the point that they started shooting beer cans because of a commercial on tv.

 

[TV and credit cards]

LONDON, March 24 (Reuters) - Traders bet half a billion dollars on the price of crude only 15 minutes before U.S. President Donald Trump announced a five-day delay to attacks ‌on Iran's energy infrastructure that sent the market plunging, exchange data and Reuters calculations showed.

Or the TACO effect.

 

[Shadowy Man]

“It’s good to be the king.”

 

[barbos]

Martha Stewart must be "What the fuck!?"

 

[DrZoidberg]

This unnecessary war has had the predictable effects.
Petrol going up. Highest price I have paid for petrol last friday.
View attachment 53886

Though the flucutations are huge. 4 days earlier it was 282.7c/l!
Someone is a winner from this conflicit and it is not the small punters like us.

I wonder if anyone still thinks Trump is great. What a clown.

Good news is that Iran doesn't have nukes. Imagine the mess if they did

Yes, Trump is a clown. And what a deal he has gained for us?! I mean what did the west get out of this. We killed an evil 86 year leader and sunk a lot of their ships. Big fucking woop. Iran will rebuild their military again. Their flows of arms to Hamas, Houtis, and Hezbos will be temporarily stunted. Their government will continue their war on women and civilians. But Trump got his deal! Yea....

I don't know about that. The Iranian govornment is excedingly weak. With no support by it's own population. It's a similar situation Bashar Al-Assad was in. The only reason they're in power is their ability to terrorise their own population.

Funding terror abroad has been a risk free method by the regime to distract the people. It's not risk free anymore. That's what they're now learned.

What anti-interventionists rarely understand is how interventions modify future behaviour by both the target regime and by other regimes. The most important lesson for Iran is that their demonising of Israel has a cost. That's good.

But this intervention might also be a bad thing. It might rupture the existing structures of power. If there's a revolution, it succeeds by taking over those structures of power. If revolutionaries don't know what structure of power to seize, there will be no successful revolution. Revolutionaries might seize a critical asset and then immediately get bombed by Trump. That's not good.

About a month ago the Iranian economy collapsed. That's what sparked the latest uprising against the regime. With what money will Iran rebuild their military? If Iran already is at breaking point, rebuilding their military is not an expence they can afford. Without a military, with what will they terrorise their own population? If Trump stops now, Iran's regime might be fucked. Trump picked an excellent moment to attack Iran.

As far as rearming Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis.

Hamas, they're fucked now. They're not out. But definitely down. Israel seems poised to take Gaza over, which will obliterate Hamas.

Hezbollah, have no testicles anymore. Haganah blew them off. That attack is one of the most successful operations in world history, and cut the head off Hezbollah. Israel has now moved troops into Lebanon to finish the job. I think Hezbollah is fucked.

Houthis, are now in power in Yemen. They really really need Iranian money to prop them up, or they are fucked. If the regime in Iran is busy just clinging onto power, this might be the window where the Saudi backed Yemeni govornment takes back power. Not necessarily a good thing, because I'll be fucked if I can tell the dictatorial regimes apart when it comes to ethics.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Martha Stewart must be "What the fuck!?"

If she knew how to protect herself from the law, she would have been embroidering MAGA hats and making cardamum covfefe cakes.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I wonder if anyone still thinks Trump is great.

Yes, lots of Americans do. These same Americans were against these sorts of military actions, but because Trump is running the show, they now support it... except the anti-Semites (the real ones, not the fake ones). Obfuscation is a treasured hobby for MAGA.

wtf is a fake anti-semite?

Good news is that Iran doesn't have nukes. Imagine the mess if they did

They could have the ability to scorch earth the Strait of Hormuz for a while. That'd be even worse!

Thankfully Trump's discussions with dead Presidents and Iran are making progress.

The funniest news of today is that Iran's response to the question on how negotiations with Trump are going was "Trump is talking to himself"

That clears it up. We already knew Trump was full of shit. But anyhoo.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I wonder if anyone still thinks Trump is great.

Yes, lots of Americans do. These same Americans were against these sorts of military actions, but because Trump is running the show, they now support it... except the anti-Semites (the real ones, not the fake ones). Obfuscation is a treasured hobby for MAGA.

wtf is a fake anti-semite?

The ones you and Dershowitz BS about.

Good news is that Iran doesn't have nukes. Imagine the mess if they did

They could have the ability to scorch earth the Strait of Hormuz for a while. That'd be even worse!

Thankfully Trump's discussions with dead Presidents and Iran are making progress.

The funniest news of today is that Iran's response to the question on how negotiations with Trump are going was "Trump is talking to himself"

That clears it up. We already knew Trump was full of shit. But anyhoo.

Iran and the US are communicating, there is little doubt about that. What Trump is saying is very likely made up however. Iran doesn't want to look weak, negotiating from a perceived position of weakness and Trump very much wants it to look like the US is bargaining from a position of power. The truth is in between, Iran wants to stop being attacked and the Trump Admin wants to save face, having accomplished only half to a quarter of the job while helping Iran weaponize the Strait of Hormuz, which as it turns out is a much easier thing to do and doesn't require enrichment.

 

[ZiprHead]

Martha Stewart must be "What the fuck!?"

Technically she got busted for lying to the FBI about insider trading. Not the trading itself. But it's still funny.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I wonder if anyone still thinks Trump is great.

Yes, lots of Americans do. These same Americans were against these sorts of military actions, but because Trump is running the show, they now support it... except the anti-Semites (the real ones, not the fake ones). Obfuscation is a treasured hobby for MAGA.

wtf is a fake anti-semite?

Someone who is legitimately critical of the Israeli govt and not anti-Semitic, but gets labeled as such. For example, if someone called you an anti-Semite after you wrote "Netanyahu is a cunt," that would make you a fake anti-Semite. We had discussions like this off-and-on over the course of hundreds of pages in the other thread. While you should have understood it by now, since it could hypothetically be applied to you as well, you ought to accept it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This unnecessary war has had the predictable effects.
Petrol going up. Highest price I have paid for petrol last friday.
View attachment 53886

Though the flucutations are huge. 4 days earlier it was 282.7c/l!
Someone is a winner from this conflicit and it is not the small punters like us.

I wonder if anyone still thinks Trump is great. What a clown.

Good news is that Iran doesn't have nukes. Imagine the mess if they did

Yes, Trump is a clown. And what a deal he has gained for us?! I mean what did the west get out of this. We killed an evil 86 year leader and sunk a lot of their ships. Big fucking woop. Iran will rebuild their military again. Their flows of arms to Hamas, Houtis, and Hezbos will be temporarily stunted. Their government will continue their war on women and civilians. But Trump got his deal! Yea....

I don't know about that. The Iranian govornment is excedingly weak. With no support by it's own population. It's a similar situation Bashar Al-Assad was in. The only reason they're in power is their ability to terrorise their own population.

Yeah... that would seem to imply they aren't that exceedingly weak. Add in the fact that IRGC controls the Iranian economy, the power structure as noted by the Trump Admin, it is weakened, but generally intact.

What anti-interventionists rarely understand is how interventions modify future behaviour by both the target regime and by other regimes. The most important lesson for Iran is that their demonising of Israel has a cost. That's good.

What Iran has learned is that the Strait of Hormuz is a much more valuable weapon than a nuclear bomb could ever be.

But this intervention might also be a bad thing. It might rupture the existing structures of power. If there's a revolution, it succeeds by taking over those structures of power. If revolutionaries don't know what structure of power to seize, there will be no successful revolution. Revolutionaries might seize a critical asset and then immediately get bombed by Trump. That's not good.

About a month ago the Iranian economy collapsed. That's what sparked the latest uprising against the regime. With what money will Iran rebuild their military? If Iran already is at breaking point, rebuilding their military is not an expence they can afford. Without a military, with what will they terrorise their own population? If Trump stops now, Iran's regime might be fucked. Trump picked an excellent moment to attack Iran.

Bullets, presence, propaganda. Iran killing 10,000 US troops costs a lot more than 10,000 Iranian Civilians. The leadership just needs to be able to convince their security that doing such is the right thing to do.

As far as rearming Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis.

Hamas, they're fucked now. They're not out. But definitely down. Israel seems poised to take Gaza over, which will obliterate Hamas.

This is incredibly naive as it looks at terrorism as some sort of static process. Terrorism always adjusts. That is what makes it a viable asymmetric methodology. 9/11 was a sleek, break some of the rules plan. The October 7th attack was blunt as all heck. They both succeeded because they exploited weaknesses. Hamas, Hezbollah, Hothis will adjust. Which is why it is best to end terrorism, by reducing the most important parts of it, local apathy to it and recruitment.

Hezbollah, have no testicles anymore. Haganah blew them off. That attack is one of the most successful operations in world history, and cut the head off Hezbollah. Israel has now moved troops into Lebanon to finish the job. I think Hezbollah is fucked.

Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthis are like red shirts* and stormtroopers. They keep finding replacements.

 

[Harry Bosch]

This unnecessary war has had the predictable effects.
Petrol going up. Highest price I have paid for petrol last friday.
View attachment 53886

Though the flucutations are huge. 4 days earlier it was 282.7c/l!
Someone is a winner from this conflicit and it is not the small punters like us.

I wonder if anyone still thinks Trump is great. What a clown.

Good news is that Iran doesn't have nukes. Imagine the mess if they did

Yes, Trump is a clown. And what a deal he has gained for us?! I mean what did the west get out of this. We killed an evil 86 year leader and sunk a lot of their ships. Big fucking woop. Iran will rebuild their military again. Their flows of arms to Hamas, Houtis, and Hezbos will be temporarily stunted. Their government will continue their war on women and civilians. But Trump got his deal! Yea....

I don't know about that. The Iranian govornment is excedingly weak. With no support by it's own population. It's a similar situation Bashar Al-Assad was in. The only reason they're in power is their ability to terrorise their own population.

Yeah... that would seem to imply they aren't that exceedingly weak. Add in the fact that IRGC controls the Iranian economy, the power structure as noted by the Trump Admin, it is weakened, but generally intact.

Actually, they are controlling the entire world economy right now. Their ability to control the straits (totally unpredicted by Trump) has lead to the doubling of the cost of oil. This has led to a 4% immediate correction in wall street and will lead to great worldwide recessions in the near term if not corrected.

 

[thebeave]

Nancy Pelosi, is that you?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Nancy Pelosi, is that you?

Could be anybody who likes a good TACO.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Iran dismisses US ceasefire plan and issues its own counterproposal

Before we let you leave, Trump must come to Tehran, present himself before the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own ass.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nancy Pelosi, is that you?

Both sides. I agree, Congress shouldn't profit from foreknowledge of legislation. It isn't ethical. Granted, being in such positions of power also provides a general foreknowledge as to where the future is headed. Regardless, it'd be nice if such knowledge wasn't taken advantage of.

Regarding the S&P and Oil, this is a war of sorts. NO ONE, should profit from war.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Nancy Pelosi, is that you?

You'd have to be inside the circle to know about it and while Nancy Pelosi resides inside Trump's head, that is only figurative so far as we know.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Trump did better with Hispanics and black men and Arabs. Trump won because he has done what he has made a career of, convincing people to act against their own self interest for his own. It is the only thing he is good at.

I know I don't feel represented, but it'll never cease to blow my mind that anyone, let alone minorities, would ever vote for Trump. It's fucking disgraceful. At the same time, it's shameful that the Dems have lost unions as well as anyone that has to endure the American healthcare system and all of its exorbitant costs. How do you lose those people???

Decades of lies on the AM Radio dial and Cable News. They were able to convince unions they gave a fuck about the people who's jobs they were quite happy to send overseas, and then distracted them with cultural issues to the point that they started shooting beer cans because of a commercial on tv.

Rush Limbaugh, IMO, was the one who got the modern conservative shit wagon rolling. Other radio people saw his success and started copying it. Without Limbaugh, Hannity, Prager, et al would've never been given their platforms and I don't think that Fox News would've never taken hold.

Limbaugh was the originator of liberals being inept bunglers while at the same time being evil geniuses. However, at some point the lack of the growth of intellect is on the individual. I know this because I was raised in a Reaganite family and loved Limbaugh back in the late 80s/early 90s. Eventually I grew out of it, which oddly enough began with the Bill Clinton blowjob "scandal" and the overblown White Water conspiracy.

I also read a ton of books. Yadda, yadda, yadda, a disturbing number of Americans lack even the most basic intellectual curiosity. Blurbs and brightly colored internet sites draw them in by the tens of millions.

 

[Derec]

Actually, they are controlling the entire world economy right now.

They aren't even controlling their own airspace right now.

Their ability to control the straits (totally unpredicted by Trump) has lead to the doubling of the cost of oil.

No, it has not.

A ~40% increase, while significant, is hardly "doubling".

This has led to a 4% immediate correction in wall street and will lead to great worldwide recessions in the near term if not corrected.

The only way to correct it is to utterly destroy the ability of the Regime to threaten shipping. Which means aggressively going after their missile and drone capabilities. Also, following through on ultimatums, because as long as Trump TACOs, the Regime will not take him seriously.