You can be put to death for these 36 offenses — according to the Bible

[Keith&Co.]

The second most powerful being in the universe, and he wears a disguise to personally trick me into thinking there are no consequences to masturbating. Yeah, that's Satan being powerful...

At least you proved the myth false (evident by your posting), that you don't go blind

you never saw "Sneakers," did you?
There are blind people on the intrawebs...

 

[funinspace]

The bible has the death penalty.
America has the death penalty.
I'm struggling to join the false equivalency dots but I know someone will help me out.

Maybe you missed the part about the 30 some other areas where the OT proscribes the death penalty for 'crimes against Yahweh' whereas they aren't even crimes in the American penal code...nah you couldn't have missed that minor detail...

 

[steve_bank]

I see Ha-satan's, er.. I mean phands at it again with such passion (does the big A in profile pic stands for adversary ?)

Learner, in the eyes of many, Christains are understood to be stupid.

Don't abuse the privilege.

Suffering verbal abuse for the faith and god is part of the Christian narrative.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I see Ha-satan's, er.. I mean phands at it again with such passion (does the big A in profile pic stands for adversary ?)

Learner, in the eyes of many, Christains are understood to be stupid.

Don't abuse the privilege.

Suffering verbal abuse for the faith and god is part of the Christian narrative.

And slinging it on the same basis.

 

[steve_bank]

Suffering verbal abuse for the faith and god is part of the Christian narrative.

And slinging it on the same basis.

Self fulfilling prophesy.

 

[phands]

On slaves: I wouldn't say the Bible tells you how to beat your slaves to death -- after all, when did slavers ever need a blow-by-blow for that? It's more accurate to say that the Bible gives the slaver permission to beat a slave to the point of death. Exodus 21: 20-1, rather a well-known passage except in Sunday worship. If the slaver delivers a death blow and the slave drops dead, he or she must be punished. How? Not specified -- surely an indication that it's not a major deal. But if the slaves lingers a few days and then dies -- again, from a hellacious beating -- there's no liability for the slaver, because the slave is property. Beautiful morality, isn't it? Timeless principle. When it comes to the most significant moral learning of the 19th Century (the evil of slavery) and the 20th Century (the moral horror of genocide), the Holy Bible is retarded.
On the focus of the OP, the list of capital offenses, I remember asking a fundie friend about the death penalty for sassy adolescent sons. Without a blink, she replied that God had to set rigid, harsh laws for His People to ensure that his Word would be able to be brought forth in the fullness of time. Somehow, without the commandment to stone to death the boys with too much 'tude, the moral standards would crumble. Ummmmm....did anyone say 'twisted fundie morality'??

It's a typical tactic of LIRC's to quibble on a nuance, rather than admit to the hideousness of the entire concept....that the bible fully approves of slavery, even into the NT, and from the mouth of jebus.
Here's what the disgusting bible has to say about slavery - a long post on evilbible.com, but published with full permission to reproduce.....

Slavery

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.
Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word “servant”, “bondservant”, or “manservant” instead of “slave” to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn’t mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!
What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

 

[Lion IRC]

The bible has the death penalty.
America has the death penalty.
I'm struggling to join the false equivalency dots but I know someone will help me out.

Maybe you missed the part about the 30 some other areas where the OT proscribes the death penalty for 'crimes against Yahweh' whereas they aren't even crimes in the American penal code...nah you couldn't have missed that minor detail...

No, I didn't miss that. I know there's some things (like abortion) which aren't capital crimes in America. What I'm struggling with is why construct an anti-bible polemic using the death penalty as a rubric.

If secular State sanctioned/mandated killing of a human being is OK when Barrack Obama orders a military attack or when duly authorised police use lethal force, why is phands so offended by the sectarian version we see in the bible?

Religion is voluntary. Collective societal obedience to Leviticus was optional. So if capital punishment was carried out in the bible it was done by an Israelite society/culture which deemed this to be a matter of common good and collective self-interest.

Levite priest to phands;
"Mind your own effing business."

 

[bilby]

The bible has the death penalty.
America has the death penalty.
I'm struggling to join the false equivalency dots but I know someone will help me out.

Maybe you missed the part about the 30 some other areas where the OT proscribes the death penalty for 'crimes against Yahweh' whereas they aren't even crimes in the American penal code...nah you couldn't have missed that minor detail...

No, I didn't miss that. I know there's some things (like abortion) which aren't capital crimes in America. What I'm struggling with is why construct an anti-bible polemic using the death penalty as a rubric.

If secular State sanctioned/mandated killing of a human being is OK when Barrack Obama orders a military attack or when duly authorised police use lethal force, why is phands so offended by the sectarian version we see in the bible?

That's a big 'if'. How do we know that state sanctioned killing is OK? It's certainly not axiomatic that it is.

Or are you using circular reasoning: "State sanctioned religion is OK because the Bible says so, and if it's OK for the state to do it, it must be OK for the Bible to support it."?

Religion is voluntary.

Today. In some places.

Religion certainly wasn't voluntary until very recently. It wasn't voluntary when Leviticus was first written; and it STILL wasn't voluntary when the KJV was introduced, thousands of years later. Indeed, imposing religion on people was the central issue of the thirty years war (1618-1648) and of the Bishops wars between England and Scotland in the decades leading up to the outbreak of the English Civil War in 1642.

Voluntary religion is at most a couple of hundred years old, depending on your exact criteria for 'voluntary', and has NEVER applied worldwide.

Collective societal obedience to Leviticus was optional.

No, it most assuredly was not.

When your beliefs require you to make up counterfactual claims about history, you really ought to start seriously questioning them.

So if capital punishment was carried out in the bible it was done by an Israelite society/culture which deemed this to be a matter of common good and collective self-interest.

Levite priest to phands;
"Mind your own effing business."

LOL.

If only religious people would mind their own effing business, nobody would care about their crazy beliefs.

 

[phands]

Yet again, LIRC tries (and fails) to put words in my mouth.

The death penalty is wrong anywhere. Unless you are xtian, in which case you can cherry pick what is right.

 

[funinspace]

The bible has the death penalty.
America has the death penalty.
I'm struggling to join the false equivalency dots but I know someone will help me out.

Maybe you missed the part about the 30 some other areas where the OT proscribes the death penalty for 'crimes against Yahweh' whereas they aren't even crimes in the American penal code...nah you couldn't have missed that minor detail...

No, I didn't miss that. I know there's some things (like abortion) which aren't capital crimes in America. What I'm struggling with is why construct an anti-bible polemic using the death penalty as a rubric.

Ah, you picked abortion. Well there are some laws regarding late term abortion (or violence induced miscarriage), but lets not go there. Lets go to the parts like consensual sex, adultery, working on the Sabbath, being a 'witch', blasphemers, et.al. These aren't even crimes in America. So, for this archaic set of holy writings to be going on about killing a person for such trivia, is in fact pretty disgusting.

If secular State sanctioned/mandated killing of a human being is OK when Barrack Obama orders a military attack or when duly authorised police use lethal force, why is phands so offended by the sectarian version we see in the bible?

Because killing a child for telling their parent 'to fuck off' is pretty sick. Sadly, there are times for war and lethal use of force by one's government. Killing your child for swearing at you is not in the same ball park. I would think the difference is pretty obvious...

Religion is voluntary. Collective societal obedience to Leviticus was optional. So if capital punishment was carried out in the bible it was done by an Israelite society/culture which deemed this to be a matter of common good and collective self-interest.

Yet we have laws not allowing stupid parents to let their children die of easily curable medical situations due to their religion in most parts. In America there is no such thing as private collective Capital Punishment for anything.

 

[funinspace]

Yet again, LIRC tries (and fails) to put words in my mouth.

The death penalty is wrong anywhere. Unless you are xtian, in which case you can cherry pick what is right.

There are many non-Christian nations that have lots of death penalty laws, so it really isn't just a xtian thingy...

But American fundagelicals are kind of quirky, as they are holy rollers in the fight against abortion; yet they can't seem to find a war/bombing that they aren't big time supporters of; and they are a huge part of the Hang them High crowd. And once a baby is born, who gives a damn about them...especially those darker colored and foreign ones.

 

[Lion IRC]

21st century. Hundreds of thousands of innocent unborn babies slaughtered in the womb.

...phands whining about antiquated, oblique bible verses that are a few thousand years old.

Hey phands, did you hear the latest news from .au?
Liberals are all flustered because wimmin are discriminating against female embryos - gender biased abortions.

Yeah that's right. Abortion on demand advocates are perplexed because wimmin are demanding the right to abort female babies.

Gonna start a new thread about that? Are you gonna stand up for children?
Nope. You don't actually care about kids do you?

 

[DBT]

Isn't god described as drowning the whole world, killing nearly everyone and everything, because He wasn't happy with the way things were going?

There's a death penalty for you.