"you elitist creep" article poll

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don't really pay much attention to trendy things and lately not much attention to news either, except maybe from here. Now, I did see that something was trending online about Jimmy Kimmel talking about his son's health. I am probably a little late to the game to discuss this...

This morning I read up a little on it. Jimmy Kimmel used air time on his show to talk about how his son needed a life or death medical procedure. He then talked about healthcare and how it shouldn't be partisan, I guess wagging his finger at dirty politics. There's a video here.

Part of the article I read this morning discussed how Kimmel is now being attacked by conservative media outlets. The article specifically discussed The Washington Times article: "Shut up, Jimmy Kimmel, you elitist creep."

Here's a link.

Some salient sections:

This is why America hates Hollywood.

Here was this moment highlighting the preciousness of life, the heroism of nurses, the unmatched expertise of surgeons and the magical power of family. And what is the point of it all for Jimmy Kimmel?

Politics. Grubby, dirty politics.

After his slobbering wet kiss to federal bureaucracy, Mr. Kimmel then went squealing on about Obamacare and how insurance companies, the government and your neighbors should all be forced to pay for everybody else’s health care. (Easy thing to say for a gazillionaire from Hollywood.)

“Let’s stop this nonsense,” he said. “This isn’t football; there are no teams. We are the team — it’s the United States. Don’t let their partisan squabbles divide us on something every decent person wants.”

Yes, that’s right. He just had a kid and the kid nearly died and he wants you to know that if you are not for bloated federal bureaucracy, socialized medicine, higher taxes and tons of more debt piled onto your grandchildren, then you are not a “decent person.”

Actually Jim, if you were a “decent person,” you would shut your fat trap about partisan politics and go care for your kid, who just nearly died, you elitist creep.

So, now, finally to the point of the op. WTF is wrong with the author of that article? I've always thought that the conservative media outlets were full of shit, but maybe there are some other options. Thus a poll on this one guy for this one topic.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

He's clearly upset. I think mostly because of the gut reaction to "socialism" and because of the fear of taxes going way up. He's not wrong that universal single payer (proper health care that you should have) will likely mean a tax increase. You'll be taking the health cost burden off of employers and sharing it more equally across society, and you'll be covering more with less of a fight for it when you need it. There will be savings (large savings) but also extra costs (because you will have better coverage and none will be without coverage). He likely resents being forced to help out his fellow citizens etc as a cost of living in his society, as republicans (and libertarians) often do.

 

[starwater]

He thinks that everyone who is not working or is sick is sucking the government tit, and the taxes he is paying helps these people who don't work and are just plain lazy and on welfare. So why should he pay for these lazy ass people. Repubs put everyone in a category it's easier that way than actually engaging the brain and thinking.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

He's clearly upset. I think mostly because of the gut reaction to "socialism" and because of the fear of taxes going way up. He's not wrong that universal single payer (proper health care that you should have) will likely mean a tax increase.

It'd mean a tax increase, but not likely a spending increase. It isn't like we aren't already shelling thousands of dollars a year for health coverage and services, per household.

You'll be taking the health cost burden off of employers and sharing it more equally across society,

Naw, employers would likely have tax increases as well.

...and you'll be covering more with less of a fight for it when you need it. There will be savings (large savings) but also extra costs (because you will have better coverage and none will be without coverage). He likely resents being forced to help out his fellow citizens etc as a cost of living in his society, as republicans (and libertarians) often do.

And he seems completely ignorant that a UHC system funds health care the exact same way as private health care insurance (just without the profit). The healthy are always subsidizing the sick. Much like how people's who's cars don't get into accidents pay for people's cars are in accidents!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

If anyone here in the forum is taking the author at his word, then what about "This is why everyone hates Hollywood liberals?" You can tell from the audience reaction that many [maybe most] of the members of the audience were totally with Jimmy Kimmel on this. If you consider also the amount of attention that Hollywood celebrities get from the general public, they don't seem to hate Hollywood liberals either. Assuming he is a reasonable person who can think, he ought to recognize these things are inconsistent with his claim. And who really does hate Hollywood liberals are a few very partisan conservatives.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Man, from an early age, US teaches us that 'success' is to grow up and do endorsements.
That seems to be the point of sports, to grow up and tell us what cereal to eat, what razors to use, what cars to drive, cell phones, music, music systems...
And not just commercials. Celebrities donate their celebrity to causes, too.
They tell us what politician to support, what drugs to avoid, what states to vacation in.

Someone had a monologue and a TV for a given number of viewers on a regular basis, we've been giving these people our attention, and demanding they tell us what they feel and think and want to spend money on for generations.

The article ignores this and pretends that there's something distasteful about someone getting an idea and using his platform to share this idea with others. That makes no sense at all unless he hasn't looked at TV or any magazine or listened to the radio for the last 54 years....

 

[SimpleDon]

I don't really pay much attention to trendy things and lately not much attention to news either, except maybe from here. Now, I did see that something was trending online about Jimmy Kimmel talking about his son's health. I am probably a little late to the game to discuss this...

This morning I read up a little on it. Jimmy Kimmel used air time on his show to talk about how his son needed a life or death medical procedure. He then talked about healthcare and how it shouldn't be partisan, I guess wagging his finger at dirty politics. There's a video here.

Part of the article I read this morning discussed how Kimmel is now being attacked by conservative media outlets. The article specifically discussed The Washington Times article: "Shut up, Jimmy Kimmel, you elitist creep."

Here's a link.

Some salient sections:

Here was this moment highlighting the preciousness of life, the heroism of nurses, the unmatched expertise of surgeons and the magical power of family. And what is the point of it all for Jimmy Kimmel?

Politics. Grubby, dirty politics.

After his slobbering wet kiss to federal bureaucracy, Mr. Kimmel then went squealing on about Obamacare and how insurance companies, the government and your neighbors should all be forced to pay for everybody else’s health care. (Easy thing to say for a gazillionaire from Hollywood.)

“Let’s stop this nonsense,” he said. “This isn’t football; there are no teams. We are the team — it’s the United States. Don’t let their partisan squabbles divide us on something every decent person wants.”

Yes, that’s right. He just had a kid and the kid nearly died and he wants you to know that if you are not for bloated federal bureaucracy, socialized medicine, higher taxes and tons of more debt piled onto your grandchildren, then you are not a “decent person.”

Actually Jim, if you were a “decent person,” you would shut your fat trap about partisan politics and go care for your kid, who just nearly died, you elitist creep.

So, now, finally to the point of the op. WTF is wrong with the author of that article? I've always thought that the conservative media outlets were full of shit, but maybe there are some other options. Thus a poll on this one guy for this one topic.

I think that recent events tell us that conservatives largely don't understand the basics of insurance and don't agree with the small part that they do understand. Insurance is always the unaffected paying for the affected. The good and lucky drivers paying for the bad and the unlucky drivers. Except the good drivers can go a lifetime without an accident and some people stay lucky, the same is not true for health insurance. Few get through this life without being hospitalized. The average person spends one half of a lifetime's medical expenses in the last year of their life. Everyone is going to have a last year of life.

Once again, I must emphasize that we have overwhelmingly decided that no one should die because of the inability to pay for medical care. If conservatives were honest they would admit that this is what they believe or that they believe that medical care should be available only to those who earn enough to pay for it. But they don't, they hide behind nonsense like this article, that they shouldn't have to be forced to pay for the medical care of others.

Since the majority of people in the country have decided that health care is a right, and not something that should be available to only those who can afford it, the only reasonable way forward is to find the least expensive way to deliver this medical care. Instead, with both ObamaCare and the proposed TrumpCare we are going the other way to the most expensive way possible to deliver this care.

Additionally it is more obvious that we have the most expensive medical care in the world because of the amount of for profit businesses in our health care. For profit companies own hospitals, infusion clinics, imagining clinics and medical clinics. Doctors see everyone else cashing in and say what about me and they cash in. There is nothing that the pursuit of profits adds to the quality of medical care, it only detracts from it. And profits only add to the costs.

To have the most expensive medical care in the world delivered to individuals and small groups in the most expensive way possible is a very bad combination. It hurts our competitiveness in the world's markets because we pay so much more for our health care. It hastens the deployment of automation replacing our jobs. The constant increases in medical care costs before ObamaCare, that the Republicans are hell bent to return to, suppressed wage increases that would have boosted the economy much more than tax cuts for the rich.

 

[Elixir]

He's clearly upset. I think mostly because of the gut reaction to "socialism" and because of the fear of taxes going way up.

Just the sort of guy who is going to believe it when told that Obama is the reason that the ACHA failed.