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You will never understand the statue controversy if you don't understand the Lost Cause of the Confederacy

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 Lost Cause of the Confederacy

Much like taking a creationist to a natural history museum won't make him believe the earth is older than 6000 years, simply saying look at the horrors this glorious cause has wrought, will not make a believer stray from faith. The Lost Cause defines its strongest adherents. it is more than a story these truest of believers, it is the lens through which they see the world, how they understand life and their place in it. It is the basis of their morality and from it they receive their goodness, their worth and their direction in life.

For believers in the cause pulling down a statue of General Lee is like pulling a cross off a steeple. It's blasphemy.
 
The Antebellum South rested on a foundation of wealth provided for by the labor of slaves.

Slavery was inseparable from all aspects of life.

The rich rested on the labor of slaves. And these were the days when rich men spent their wealth locally. The entire economy and value of all goods was based on the labor of slaves.

You can't claim to be preserving some "Southern way of life" without defending what that life depended on.

These generals knew what propped up their societies. They were not stupid.
 
Six tenets of the Lost Cause

1. Secession, not slavery, caused the Civil War.

2. African Americans were "faithful slaves," loyal to their masters and the Confederate cause and unprepared for the responsibilities of freedom.

3. The Confederacy was defeated militarily only because of the Union's overwhelming advantages in men and resources.

4. Confederate soldiers were heroic and saintly.

5. The most heroic and saintly of all Confederates, perhaps of all Americans, was Robert E. Lee.

6. Southern women were loyal to the Confederate cause and sanctified by the sacrifice of their loved ones.

https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Lost_Cause_The#its1
 
Six tenets of the Lost Cause

1. Secession, not slavery, caused the Civil War.

2. African Americans were "faithful slaves," loyal to their masters and the Confederate cause and unprepared for the responsibilities of freedom.

3. The Confederacy was defeated militarily only because of the Union's overwhelming advantages in men and resources.

4. Confederate soldiers were heroic and saintly.

5. The most heroic and saintly of all Confederates, perhaps of all Americans, was Robert E. Lee.

6. Southern women were loyal to the Confederate cause and sanctified by the sacrifice of their loved ones.

https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Lost_Cause_The#its1

Cool story, bro...
flag-burning-arrest-6vo_frame_256.jpg

... but labor day's coming up and I need something to start my grill.
 
 Lost Cause of the Confederacy

Much like taking a creationist to a natural history museum won't make him believe the earth is older than 6000 years, simply saying look at the horrors this glorious cause has wrought, will not make a believer stray from faith. The Lost Cause defines its strongest adherents. it is more than a story these truest of believers, it is the lens through which they see the world, how they understand life and their place in it. It is the basis of their morality and from it they receive their goodness, their worth and their direction in life.

For believers in the cause pulling down a statue of General Lee is like pulling a cross off a steeple. It's blasphemy.

What's your view on the statues. Destroy them, move them?

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Cool story, bro...
flag-burning-arrest-6vo_frame_256.jpg

... but labor day's coming up and I need something to start my grill.

Excellent way to light barbecue.
 
Six tenets of the Lost Cause

1. Secession, not slavery, caused the Civil War.

2. African Americans were "faithful slaves," loyal to their masters and the Confederate cause and unprepared for the responsibilities of freedom.

3. The Confederacy was defeated militarily only because of the Union's overwhelming advantages in men and resources.

4. Confederate soldiers were heroic and saintly.

5. The most heroic and saintly of all Confederates, perhaps of all Americans, was Robert E. Lee.

6. Southern women were loyal to the Confederate cause and sanctified by the sacrifice of their loved ones.

https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Lost_Cause_The#its1

#3 is probably true.

The question is begged?

What was the big need for secession?

And who exactly seceded?

Like many wars it was the rich, at that time meaning large slave owners, who wanted it and they sent the poor, meaning suckers, to fight it.
 
6. Southern women were loyal to the Confederate cause and sanctified by the sacrifice of their loved ones.

https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Lost_Cause_The#its1

Lose Cause is interesting historical revisionism. So, here is some recent news:
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Parks officials in Kansas City, Missouri, say an 83-year-old Confederate memorial will be removed after it was vandalized.

The Missouri Division of the United Daughters of the Confederacy asked Kansas City Parks and Recreation officials to remove the monument from its current location along of the city's main streets to a place of safety. That came after someone painted what appeared to be a red hammer and sickle on the "Loyal Women of the Old South" memorial late Friday or early Saturday.

Parks officials said Saturday the monument would be removed soon, and on Sunday crews covered it with plywood boards to prevent further graffiti until it can be relocated.

The memorial was erected in 1934 to recognize women who supported the Confederacy.
http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Confederate-memorial-in-Kansas-City-to-be-11945530.php

That sounds a lot like "loyalty" and "Old South" sounds a lot like making it sound like Paradise. 1934 sounds an awful lot like many decades after the nostalgic [for white people] time period.

So it would seem it's indeed not history but instead revisionism.

I found an interesting article in a Missouri newspaper from 1937 referring to both "lost cause" and this monument which I will transcribe for all to read in a subsequent post because actual history and attitudes of the lost causers are expressed politically in this article.
 
The Houston Herald (Houston, Missouri), 01 Jul 1937. page 3, a transcription follows:

MEMORIALS TO THE SOLDIERS OF THE SOUTH SIGNIFY MORE THAN THE DEFEAT OF ARMIES IN THE FIELD

By DONALD P. BEARD (Written for the Missouri Democrat)​

In the swift confusion of our modern life, its tempo accelerated by complex machines, there often comes to us the vague feeling that all these things will vanish presently like the wraiths of a dissolving dream, or like fleeting clouds swallowed up in the smile of the dawn.

Indeed, during rare moments of illumination when we stand before a memorial to a great leader or to some cause to which millions have consecrated their efforts and their lives, the conviction grows and takes possession of our hearts that all of life is not getting and spending, that man does not live by bread alone, that the "unseen God" of Paul is greater than any of the accidents of a mortal life.

The conclusion, last week, of the 47th encampment of the United Confederate Veterans at Jackson, Tenn., turns popular attention once more to the "lost cause" for which many touching and heroic sacrifices were freely made, and the ideals of which still live on and illuminate the hearts of those, still surviving in our late day, who dedicated their lives and loyalties to its fortunes.
* * * *​
In Kansas City are several memorials and historic landmarks associated with the Confederacy and the stirring events of the Civil War period.

As one leaves the Country Club carline at Forty-seventh street and walks westward along Brush Creek boulevard, a plain truncated shaft of Indiana limestone may be noticed in the greensward of the parkway to the northward, about midway between Mill Creek boulevard and Main Street.

This is the memorial erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy to commemorate the deeds and sacrifices of the loyal women of the Southland. The design for the memorial was evolved by Richard W. Wakefield and was chosen and approved by the municipal art commission early in 1934. The base for the shaft was laid August 30, 1934, and rests upon a platform of Missouri marble 24 feet long and 11 feet wide. The shaft itself is nine feet tall and about four and one-half feet in width.

On the obverse or front face of the severely plain and dignified shaft appears, near the top, a wreath enclosing the letters "U. D. C." Immediately below and flanking the wreath device are the crossed flags of the Confederacy and the Union with the numerals 61-65. Engraved on the front of the shaft is the inscription:
* * * *
IN LOVING MEMORY OF THE
LOYAL WOMEN OF THE OLD SOUTH
Erected by Kansas City Chapter No. 149,
United Daughters of the Confederacy, 1934.
* * * *​
The reverse or east side bears the legend:
'TIS TATTERED,
BROKEN IN ITS SHAFT
AND SHATTERED,
AND THE VALIANT HOSTS
ARE SCATTERED
OVER WHOM IT FLOATED HIGH.
* * * *​

A single word, "Courage," is engraved on the northwest seat-end of the limestone bench, of which the memorial shaft forms the central matrix, while "Fortitude" appears on the opposite or southeast end. The bench is of Indiana limestone and affords seating on both sides, in the shade of large trees. It forms indeed a beautiful retreat of memory dedicated to the women, who devoted their lives to the Confederacy.
* * * *​
Another beautiful and appropriate memorial to the Southern cause has been standing in Forest Hill cemetery for many years since its dedication on Memorial Day in 1902. It was erected in memory of the Confederate leaders and soldiers who fell in the Battle of Westport. The site of the memorial is bounded on two sides by narrow footpaths sloping gently away to the trees on the west and north.

It was on this historic slope that General Jo Shelby, who, with General Sterling Price, commanded the Confederate forces, spent the night which preceded the fateful red dawn of October 23, 1864. In this crucial engagement 29,000 troops were locked in deadly conflict on the Confederate and the Union sides. This was the greatest battle fought west of the Mississippi and marked the deathblow to the Confederate hopes of winning the State of Missouri to the Southern cause.

On a commanding rise of ground, the monument towers over its surroundings, a great shaft of Vermont granite 36 feet in height, with a base 12 by 28 feet and weighing approximately 40 tons. At the summit of the shaft stands a Confederate soldier at attention, musket in hand, a life-size figure in bronze. On the bronze plate set in the face of the shaft an inscription reads:
"Erected by the Kansas City Chapter No. 149, Daughters of the Confederacy, to the Memory of Seventy-five Confederate Soldiers, Representing the States of Virginia, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri and Illinois, Who Fell in the Battle of Westport, October 23, 1864. Lord God of Hosts, Lest We Forget, Lest We Forget!"

The designs for the Confederate memorial in Forest Hill were submitted in 1901 from all over the nation, but the design by Mr. M. H. Rice won unanimous approval of the committee. At the solemn dedication in 1902, on Memorial day, addresses were delivered by Mayor James A. Reed and Judge James B. Gantt. Sealed in a receptacle that the committee placed in the base of the monument are a number of coins, papers and books of the Civil war period. Among the relics immured in the base of the monument is a sere and faded leaf from the bier of Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate states--the most cherished relic of all.

On Memorial Day, 1935, only two Confederate veterans visited the memorial to renew in a few hallowed moments their devotion to the comrades of that remote conflict whose echoes have all but died out of our modern life--survivors of the pathetically "thinning gray line." They were Lem Stevenson, 90 years old, 510 West Forty-third street, and J. W. Basye, 93, 1156 East Fifty-sixth street.

Perhaps these two loyal defenders of the South felt that it was well they could withdraw a little time from the raucous and meaningless shaowplay of modern life and thus silently commune in the shadow of a Memorial to a great cause.

And who, in the light of historic events since those troubled years have become history, can be uncharitable enough to assert that a cause which evoked this deathless devotion of millions may be dismissed as "lost" merely because it failed to win the test of arms on the bloody fields of conflict? A deeper and holier significance touches with a peculiar glory all its own any cause that goes down to an honorable defeat, even though its proud flag of the Stars and Bars is "tattered, broken in its staff and shattered, and the valiant hosts are scattered, over whom it floated high." To its devotees must come adequate realization of the sentiment graven on the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National cemetery--a fitting epilogue to the cause of the South: "For the victorious cause was pleasing to the gods, but the fallen one to Cato!"
 
"There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind..."
-- Gone with the Wind intro
 
"There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind..."
-- Gone with the Wind intro

It was a land of human torture and rape.

Don't forget the easy rape.

That had great appeal to these fine gentlemen.
 
"There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind..."
-- Gone with the Wind intro

It was a land of human torture and rape.

Don't forget the easy rape.

That had great appeal to these fine gentlemen.

Why don't you just put that on your next protest sign? "The south was a land of human torture and rape." I'm sure that will panel well. I guess if nothing else, it might get you laid depending on how you play it. :rolleyes:
 
What's your view on the statues. Destroy them, move them?

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Cool story, bro...
flag-burning-arrest-6vo_frame_256.jpg

... but labor day's coming up and I need something to start my grill.

Excellent way to light barbecue.

Move them. If I could make a nilateral decision on the matter, I would move them and present them with detailed information to put them in context.
 
It was a land of human torture and rape.

Don't forget the easy rape.

That had great appeal to these fine gentlemen.

Why don't you just put that on your next protest sign? "The south was a land of human torture and rape." I'm sure that will panel well. I guess if nothing else, it might get you laid depending on how you play it. :rolleyes:

What protest sign are you babbling about?

Those that think the old Antebellum South was some great place to live only think that because they never lived there.
 
The issue of statues should be handled by putting up a large statue of General Sherman in the middle of Atlanta. To protect it from being defaced by protesters, a fire should be built around it. If people want to make that fire a city-sized one for the purposes of avoiding historical revisionism, that would be acceptable.
 
The issue of statues should be handled by putting up a large statue of General Sherman in the middle of Atlanta. To protect it from being defaced by protesters, a fire should be built around it. If people want to make that fire a city-sized one for the purposes of avoiding historical revisionism, that would be acceptable.

I guess the big question is: why not leave it to the people whose job it is to decide such things?

If the Altanta city council (or whomever) votes for a statue of Sherman, they get a statue of Sherman, etc.
 
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