Zimbabwe Dollar to be phased out and replaced with US dollar

[Bomb#20]

The U.S. started with a lot of paper like the piece shown above. I wonder why it seemed important to give Zimbabwe a hit for doing like revolutionary governments are all forced to do. It is part of a process.

Revolutionary or not Zimbabwe is a mismanaged economy. The US dollar has been in extensive use for some six years.

Obviously Zimbabwe is a work in progress. Many parts of its economy are not managed at all. Their real problem is a dearth of people with the right kind of know how to set up a working system. They will make a lot of errors and yes, that is mis-managed economy. But ours of course is perfect. We quickly identiry the mote in our neighbors' eye and ignore the beams in our own. We have much inequity in our own country and crookedness. The reality is that Zimbabwe's situation is understandable. Ours is outrageously unjustified.

Good god! Three hours after writing "The IDF has no credibility at all. They cannot "clear" the murders of these four boys...only in the mind of someone like you who can find a justification for the killing of any and all Palestinians. You are the worst, Loren.", the man is choosing to be an apologist for an actual genocidal regime.

"A vast human cull is under way in Zimbabwe and the great majority of deaths are a direct result of deliberate government policies. Ignored by the United Nations, it is a genocide perhaps 10 times greater than Darfur's and more than twice as large as Rwanda's."

 

[arkirk]

The U.S. started with a lot of paper like the piece shown above. I wonder why it seemed important to give Zimbabwe a hit for doing like revolutionary governments are all forced to do. It is part of a process.

Revolutionary or not Zimbabwe is a mismanaged economy. The US dollar has been in extensive use for some six years.

Obviously Zimbabwe is a work in progress. Many parts of its economy are not managed at all. Their real problem is a dearth of people with the right kind of know how to set up a working system. They will make a lot of errors and yes, that is mis-managed economy. But ours of course is perfect. We quickly identiry the mote in our neighbors' eye and ignore the beams in our own. We have much inequity in our own country and crookedness. The reality is that Zimbabwe's situation is understandable. Ours is outrageously unjustified.

Good god! Three hours after writing "The IDF has no credibility at all. They cannot "clear" the murders of these four boys...only in the mind of someone like you who can find a justification for the killing of any and all Palestinians. You are the worst, Loren.", the man is choosing to be an apologist for an actual genocidal regime.

"A vast human cull is under way in Zimbabwe and the great majority of deaths are a direct result of deliberate government policies. Ignored by the United Nations, it is a genocide perhaps 10 times greater than Darfur's and more than twice as large as Rwanda's."

I am not apologizing for anything. I read the article and did a little math. I am not privy to events that take place in the interior of Zimbabwe. What I was addressing was the inflation issue. I read the comments in the article...everything from the offical saying they don't want all those people to the notion that the government could 're-ruralize' people. The problem was as I had originally stated...lack of persons capable of managing either the farms or the government. The truly sorry conditions that exist in Zimbabwe are far more a matter of lack of the right kind of talent within the reach of the government. What the article describes is a system that is mostly unmanaged and not necessarily a case of intentional genocide. What, pray tell would be YOUR SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM?

It is understandable you could possibly find someone in the government decrying the presence of hungry people and difficulty in getting them fed being interpreted as having a will to kill the excess people. That could even very well be true of some people in the government. It deserves an investigation. There remains the question of how much sabotage is being engaged in by the former colonial powers in the area. There are too many issues here for quick answers.

There is no connection between the killing of Palestinians by the IDF in Gaza and this issue...none whatever. One is a military attack on a civilian population and the other is a matter of economics, whether it is warfare or not.

 

[fromderinside]

Gee. Was Zimbabwe investing too much in their poor? If so conservatives should jump on this with images of people going with wheelbarrows of currency to the bread store. and make claims like they are making here where there is no wheelbarrow problem. ...they' weren't? ...they aren't?

 

[4321lynx]

Aii the usual suspects here: Left wing dreamers and apologists with Left wing/revolutionary BS.

 

[fromderinside]

Are those the tracks of a single payer healthcare hater? Zimbabwe can thank their stars for that I guess. No problems with health care. They haven't any.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I am not apologizing for anything.

Saying you aren't doesn't make it so.

I read the article and did a little math. I am not privy to events that take place in the interior of Zimbabwe. What I was addressing was the inflation issue. I read the comments in the article...everything from the offical saying they don't want all those people to the notion that the government could 're-ruralize' people. The problem was as I had originally stated...lack of persons capable of managing either the farms or the government. The truly sorry conditions that exist in Zimbabwe are far more a matter of lack of the right kind of talent within the reach of the government. What the article describes is a system that is mostly unmanaged and not necessarily a case of intentional genocide. What, pray tell would be YOUR SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM?

They had people that could manage the farms--the very people they stole the farms from.

It is understandable you could possibly find someone in the government decrying the presence of hungry people and difficulty in getting them fed being interpreted as having a will to kill the excess people. That could even very well be true of some people in the government. It deserves an investigation. There remains the question of how much sabotage is being engaged in by the former colonial powers in the area. There are too many issues here for quick answers.

More apologizing for genocide.

There's simply no reason for any western power to mess with Zimbabwe--Mugabe was doing a fine job of destroying it. If England wanted it destroyed all they needed to do is sit and watch.

There is no connection between the killing of Palestinians by the IDF in Gaza and this issue...none whatever. One is a military attack on a civilian population and the other is a matter of economics, whether it is warfare or not.

Starving someone to death is a lot more cruel than dropping a bomb on them. It's just that you can't see evil done by those that espouse a far left position.

 

[Bomb#20]

I am not apologizing for anything. ... The truly sorry conditions that exist in Zimbabwe are far more a matter of lack of the right kind of talent within the reach of the government. ... There remains the question of how much sabotage is being engaged in by the former colonial powers in the area.

That's what being an apologist is.

But I'm sure it was the former colonial powers' fault that Mugabe's thugs rounded up Ndebele civilians, herded them into huts, and set the huts on fire.

There is no connection between the killing of Palestinians by the IDF in Gaza and this issue...none whatever. One is a military attack on a civilian population and the other is a matter of economics, whether it is warfare or not.

You call Loren "the worst" because he makes excuses for Israel's human rights violations, at the same time you're making excuses for Zimbabwe's thousand times worse human rights violations. How do you manage to not choke on your own hypocrisy?

 

[dismal]

It's only a mistake if you assume he was trying to do what's right for the people. He's still in power.

I don't think his currency printing helped him in the long run.

He's still living large in his palace at 91 years old. If "in the long run we are all dead" he's made it most of the way there.

 

[fromderinside]

I don't think his currency printing helped him in the long run.

He's still living large in his palace at 91 years old. If "in the long run we are all dead" he's made it most of the way there.

when is everyone going to learn that if a nation has power it is permitted to do what it want while those who have no power beyond their borders get g**ked all the time.

 

[4321lynx]

He's still living large in his palace at 91 years old. If "in the long run we are all dead" he's made it most of the way there.

when is everyone going to learn that if a nation has power it is permitted to do what it want while those who have no power beyond their borders get g**ked all the time.

That's life. Never been any different, never will be. Just a change in whose ox is being gored at any given time.
But always:
It's the same the 'ole world over,
It's the poor wot gets the blame,
It's the rich wot gets the pleasures,
Ain't it all a bloody shame.

 

[arkirk]

That's what being an apologist is.

But I'm sure it was the former colonial powers' fault that Mugabe's thugs rounded up Ndebele civilians, herded them into huts, and set the huts on fire.

There is no connection between the killing of Palestinians by the IDF in Gaza and this issue...none whatever. One is a military attack on a civilian population and the other is a matter of economics, whether it is warfare or not.

You call Loren "the worst" because he makes excuses for Israel's human rights violations, at the same time you're making excuses for Zimbabwe's thousand times worse human rights violations. How do you manage to not choke on your own hypocrisy?

It appears that you have information I do not have. I pointed out I was not privy to the internal situations in Zimbabwe in my initial response to this thread, just pointing to the fact that our founding fathers printed money. Rather than rant at me, perhaps you could document the when, why, and how of this Ndebele incident you think is thousands of times as terrible as Gaza. If it is to be covered being so heinous it should have its own thread. I resent your labeling me me as a person choking on his own hypocrisy. You really should be more forthcoming with information rather than resorting immediately to insult. I feel this thread is not the right place to deal with this issue. We were talking about money and you have made it about murder. I do not condone murder...ever.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That's what being an apologist is.

But I'm sure it was the former colonial powers' fault that Mugabe's thugs rounded up Ndebele civilians, herded them into huts, and set the huts on fire.


You call Loren "the worst" because he makes excuses for Israel's human rights violations, at the same time you're making excuses for Zimbabwe's thousand times worse human rights violations. How do you manage to not choke on your own hypocrisy?

It appears that you have information I do not have. I pointed out I was not privy to the internal situations in Zimbabwe in my initial response to this thread, just pointing to the fact that our founding fathers printed money. Rather than rant at me, perhaps you could document the when, why, and how of this Ndebele incident you think is thousands of times as terrible as Gaza. If it is to be covered being so heinous it should have its own thread. I resent your labeling me me as a person choking on his own hypocrisy. You really should be more forthcoming with information rather than resorting immediately to insult. I feel this thread is not the right place to deal with this issue. We were talking about money and you have made it about murder. I do not condone murder...ever.

You've been presented with evidence of the atrocities in Zimbabwe and you claim you don't have the information.

 

[arkirk]

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It appears that you have information I do not have. I pointed out I was not privy to the internal situations in Zimbabwe in my initial response to this thread, just pointing to the fact that our founding fathers printed money. Rather than rant at me, perhaps you could document the when, why, and how of this Ndebele incident you think is thousands of times as terrible as Gaza. If it is to be covered being so heinous it should have its own thread. I resent your labeling me me as a person choking on his own hypocrisy. You really should be more forthcoming with information rather than resorting immediately to insult. I feel this thread is not the right place to deal with this issue. We were talking about money and you have made it about murder. I do not condone murder...ever.

You've been presented with evidence of the atrocities in Zimbabwe and you claim you don't have the information.

All I have is Bomb 20's post and NOTHING ELSE! I say simply source: ?????? I don't even know when this was supposed to have happened or how many people were involved. Don't tell me I know what I don't know.

 

[4321lynx]

You've been presented with evidence of the atrocities in Zimbabwe and you claim you don't have the information.

All I have is Bomb 20's post and NOTHING ELSE! I say simply source: ?????? I don't even know when this was supposed to have happened or how many people were involved. Don't tell me I know what I don't know.

Read this --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe

and note

Soon after independence Mugabe set about creating a ZANU–PF-run one-party state, establishing a North Korean-trained security force, the Fifth Brigade, in August 1981 to deal with internal dissidents.[2] Mugabe attacked former allies ZAPU in which the Fifth Brigade crushed an armed rebellion by fighters loyal to his rival Joshua Nkomo, leader of the minority Ndebele tribe, in the province of Matabeleland. Between 1982 and 1985 at least 20,000 people died in ethnic cleansing and were buried in mass graves.[3][4] Mugabe consolidated his power in December 1987, when he was declared executive president by parliament, combining the roles of head of state, head of government, and commander-in-chief of the armed forces, with powers to dissolve parliament and declare martial law.

and this --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matabeleland

and note

Following independence in 1980, Zimbabwe initially made significant economic and social progress, but tensions between the Shona and the Ndebele began to surface. The government responded with a series of military campaigns in which the North Korean-trained 5th brigade killed tens of thousands of civilians in Matabeleland.[9] By early 1984, the army disrupted food supplied in Matabeleland and much of the Ndebele population suffered food shortages. Robert Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo finally reconciled their political differences by late 1987. The roots of discord remained, however, and in some ways increased as Mugabe's rule became increasingly autocratic into the 21st century.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You've been presented with evidence of the atrocities in Zimbabwe and you claim you don't have the information.

All I have is Bomb 20's post and NOTHING ELSE! I say simply source: ?????? I don't even know when this was supposed to have happened or how many people were involved. Don't tell me I know what I don't know.

He provided a link that it is apparent you didn't read.

 

[arkirk]

All I have is Bomb 20's post and NOTHING ELSE! I say simply source: ?????? I don't even know when this was supposed to have happened or how many people were involved. Don't tell me I know what I don't know.

He provided a link that it is apparent you didn't read.

I researched it myself and didn't need his link. This occurred in the early 80's when I was busy with environmental groups in the California Desert where there truly were no good news sources on matters in Africa. I learned about the 5th Brigade, a regular death squad operation trained by North Korea and turned loose on unruly factions in Zimbabwe from Wikipedia. Actually that kind of violence also reflects the ignorance and political vacuum left behind by colonial powers. I do not condone what happened, but can only ask the loud complaining Bomb 20 what did he do about it? Also, what kind of solution would he apply to the country today?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He provided a link that it is apparent you didn't read.

I researched it myself and didn't need his link. This occurred in the early 80's when I was busy with environmental groups in the California Desert where there truly were no good news sources on matters in Africa. I learned about the 5th Brigade, a regular death squad operation trained by North Korea and turned loose on unruly factions in Zimbabwe from Wikipedia. Actually that kind of violence also reflects the ignorance and political vacuum left behind by colonial powers. I do not condone what happened, but can only ask the loud complaining Bomb 20 what did he do about it? Also, what kind of solution would he apply to the country today?

None of this has anything do with the fact that you are supporting someone who the world agrees has committed genocide.

It has nothing to do with the vacuum left by the colonial powers--as so often happens there were competing factions and the one that was willing to be the most evil is the one that won.

And as for what you should do--quit supporting him. I'm not asking you to come up with a solution to Mugabe--the only one that I think would work would be a Hellfire and the political climate doesn't make that a good idea at all.

 

[Narapoia]

Aii the usual suspects here: Left wing dreamers and apologists with Left wing/revolutionary BS.

Are you asserting that Mugabe is left wing?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Aii the usual suspects here: Left wing dreamers and apologists with Left wing/revolutionary BS.

Are you asserting that Mugabe is left wing?

He's a Republican supporter and a fan of Ann Coulter.

 

[Derec]

Are you asserting that Mugabe is left wing?

Yes. He is even supported by some Left wing US politicians, like Charles Barron a former Black Panther and NYC councilman.
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