How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Russia could be running out of Iskanders after having fired so many of them all over Ukraine. So they use whatever they have.

LOL, no. They have shitload of them, they must, cause they were prepared for a war with NATOs armuies. not with NATOs puppets.
Anyway, you are reaching for a straw. It was ukrainian army.
Russian army is a professional army with a chain of command and accountability.

 

[Jayjay]

How many streets are named after Nazis?

One is way too many.

And for some reason I still believe the Russian reaction to a street being named after a Nazi to be a tad excessive.

It was not street naming preferences of Ukrainian presidents. It was their murdering pro-russian population in Donbas. So It was way more proportional than NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

Russia has already murdered more civilians in the past two months than the total number killed in Donbas between 2014-2022 from both sides. All those deaths could have been avoided of course if Russia had not invaded in 2014.

 

[Jayjay]

Satellite images show the dead bodies were on the streets weeks before Russians left

Yet somehow, Mayor of the Bucha failed to notice it

Gee, how could that be? Maybe ... he stayed indoors and didn't see the bodies until after his statement?

Nah, that's preposterous. Nobody can avoid the all-seeing eye of the mayor of Bucha!

 

[barbos]

How many streets are named after Nazis?

One is way too many.

And for some reason I still believe the Russian reaction to a street being named after a Nazi to be a tad excessive.

It was not street naming preferences of Ukrainian presidents. It was their murdering pro-russian population in Donbas. So It was way more proportional than NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

Russia has already murdered more civilians in the past two months than the total number killed in Donbas between 2014-2022 from both sides. All those deaths could have been avoided of course if Russia had not invaded in 2014.

I don't know exact numbers but I saw retired US marine discussing it and he said.
The usual expectations is 1 civilian for 1 soldiers. And by his estimates Russia killed 30K ukrainian soldiers and 5K civilians lost their life from both sides.
Russians are too careful in his opinion, especially in begining.

 

[Jayjay]

And the last point, that Russia has nothing to gain, is silly. They intend to crush the morale of the enemy.

Maybe it is silly for finnish army. But for russian it's pretty obvious that would be stupid to murder people indiscriminately because they would be prosecuted by russian authorities for that.

Haha. Let's see how many of these killers are prosecuted by Russian authorities. My guess is zero.

 

[Jayjay]

Same kind of massacres are now taking place in Mariupol (though that's probably mostly done by now), Izyum, Kherson and other places occupied by Russia. We just haven't heard about these massacres yet, just like we didn't hear about Bucha before the Russians withdrew..

That's a lie and you know that.
Everything your official media says about this conflict is a lie.

"My official media" (i.e. actual independent news) doesn't say that. They don't, because there is no evidence yet, and real news doesn't report something without backing it up (or at least highlighting the fact that it's just hearsay). It's just my personal conjecture at this point.

But there is absolutely no reason to think that Russia would act any differently in Izyum, as it did in the North. But they will probably do a better job cleaning up the bodies.

 

[barbos]

Gee, how could that be? Maybe ... he stayed indoors and didn't see the bodies until after his statement?

for 4 days after they left? Some shy nazi mayor we have here. And Yes, piece of shit is outside in that video. Sorry dude, that video is either staged or Azov murdered pro-russians who decided to stay. And your media and politicians are lying to you.

 

[barbos]

And the last point, that Russia has nothing to gain, is silly. They intend to crush the morale of the enemy.

Maybe it is silly for finnish army. But for russian it's pretty obvious that would be stupid to murder people indiscriminately because they would be prosecuted by russian authorities for that.

Haha. Let's see how many of these killers are prosecuted by Russian authorities. My guess is zero.

Maybe zero, but be assured they will get no pay and no pension.
Sorry dude. We know for a fact that ukrainian army is behind of some (really all) of these atrocities and none can be even remotely attributed to russians.
Russia is winning militarily. Winning armies don't generally commit atrocities especially if it is a professional army and not a gang consisting of convicted criminals.

 

[Jayjay]

If you want to keep someone alive, you don't usually send multiple assassination teams to try to murder him.

I was not aware of any teams sent to kill Zelensky.

Zelensky Has Survived Over a Dozen Assassination Attempts, Ukraine Claims

Zelensky has said that he is not going anywhere and will remain in Ukraine despite the Russian invasion.

www.newsweek.com

Russian plan was first to cut off the head of the enemy, and install its own puppet.

Russia can kill Zelensky tomorrow. Or at least demonstrate such intention.
But that's not the plan. The plan I understand is to grab land with pro-russian population and force Zelensky to agree to that and to neutral status of the rest.

This idea of omnipotent Russia that can kill anyone anywhere on a whim has clearly been shown false. Navalny and Skripal both survived their respective assasination attempts. A head of state like Zelensky is many times more difficult target.

I agree with you that this was the original plan. But it needn't involve Zelensky. If everything had gone according to plan, Zelensky would have been either killed or run away from the country, and some puppet installed in his place.

The greatest threat to Zele's life is his own people who he does not control.
Ze achieved Churchill level status in the west, so if he surrenders it would be final.

Let's say that somehow, his "own people" are riddled with secret Nazi spies. At this point, Zelensky is one of Ukraine's biggest assets. How long do you think arms would keep flowing if he was killed and replaced by Hitler McNaziface? It makes no sense to kill him even if there was such a conspiracy.

If he is forced to make a deal that is wildly unpopular like a surrender, he'll probably just resign. Like a normal politician would do.

 

[Jayjay]

Russia could be running out of Iskanders after having fired so many of them all over Ukraine. So they use whatever they have.

LOL, no. They have shitload of them, they must, cause they were prepared for a war with NATOs armuies. not with NATOs puppets.
Anyway, you are reaching for a straw. It was ukrainian army.
Russian army is a professional army with a chain of command and accountability.

You're a hoot. Russian army has demonstrated its lack of professionalism in places like Bucha, and in the countless leaked calls and intercepted communications. Looting and raping civilians is considered an incentive in the Russian army.

I noticed you didn't address any of the actual evidence that points to the Kramatorsk missile strike being done by Russia.

 

[barbos]

This idea of omnipotent Russia that can kill anyone anywhere on a whim has clearly been shown false.

No, it has not been shown that at all. What has been shown is that Russia is not willing to tolerate huge civilian and infrastructure losses during this operation. And we know why - because they would need to to rebuildit once it part of Russia, plus it does not look good for propaganda. Your fucking own generals are surprised why Russia is not bombing railroads and stuff.

I agree with you that this was the original plan. But it needn't involve Zelensky. If everything had gone according to plan, Zelensky would have been either killed or run away from the country, and some puppet installed in his place.

What do you agree to?

Let's say that somehow, his "own people" are riddled with secret Nazi spies. At this point, Zelensky is one of Ukraine's biggest assets. How long do you think arms would keep flowing if he was killed and replaced by Hitler McNaziface? It makes no sense to kill him even if there was such a conspiracy.

The moment Zele says "OK, it's time to surrender" he is a dead man.
That's not what I think, that's what your western analysts and russians as well think.
That's what they think.

Now, your stupid arms are useless garbage, you can't get it to the battlefield. You can't even get to secretly store somewhere. Russia has pretty much total control over air. And very soon Ukraine will run out of people willing to fight.


Dead Zele was never in any plans.

 

[barbos]

You're a hoot. Russian army has demonstrated its lack of professionalism in places like Bucha,

Fuck, stop acting as if it was not proven that ukrainian nazis are behind Bucha

 

[Jayjay]

How many streets are named after Nazis?

One is way too many.

And for some reason I still believe the Russian reaction to a street being named after a Nazi to be a tad excessive.

It was not street naming preferences of Ukrainian presidents. It was their murdering pro-russian population in Donbas. So It was way more proportional than NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

Russia has already murdered more civilians in the past two months than the total number killed in Donbas between 2014-2022 from both sides. All those deaths could have been avoided of course if Russia had not invaded in 2014.

I don't know exact numbers but I saw retired US marine discussing it and he said.
The usual expectations is 1 civilian for 1 soldiers. And by his estimates Russia killed 30K ukrainian soldiers and 5K civilians lost their life from both sides.
Russians are too careful in his opinion, especially in begining.

That's in the ballpark of figures I had in mind; Wikipedia quoted UN report and puts the civilian casualties at 3,393.

The current war's civilian casualties are according to UN is 1,793 (at the time I'm writing this). But that figure is bound to lag behind the actual number. Ukrainian government says the real number is over 7k. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. But it's still already very high compared to the last 8 years.

Also, civilian casualties are going to continue to rise because Russia is firing at civilian targets, and in the areas they occupy they park their vehicles near apartment buildings which get his by Ukrainian counter-strikes.

 

[barbos]

I noticed you didn't address any of the actual evidence that points to the Kramatorsk missile strike being done by Russia.

You have not provided any!
And it is you who did not address what I provided. And It was not all, There is way more in the youtube discussion. Specifically they noticed position of the booster which points toward ukrainian held territory as a launch site.
Watch the damn video and read comments.
it's your side who commits all these atrocities.

 

[barbos]

But it's still already very high compared to the last 8 years.

And your point is?

 

[zorq]

Fuck, stop acting as if it was not proven that ukrainian nazis are behind Bucha

FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! Stop acting like the murdering invaders of Ukraine are murdering, raping, and pillaging for just cause!

Even this stupid NAZI excuse is weak and pathetic.



When is Russia going to invade "liberate"this evil hotbed of NAZI activity?

 

[barbos]

Fuck, stop acting as if it was not proven that ukrainian nazis are behind Bucha

FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! Stop acting like the murdering invaders of Ukraine are murdering, raping, and pillaging for just cause!

Even this stupid NAZI excuse is weak and pathetic.

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When is Russia going to invade "liberate"this evil hotbed of NAZI activity?

Yeah, 25 year old pictures. Bill Clinton was a president and he was a big "friend" of Russia
You keep stepping in the same shit

 

[Jayjay]

Gee, how could that be? Maybe ... he stayed indoors and didn't see the bodies until after his statement?

for 4 days after they left? Some shy nazi mayor we have here. And Yes, piece of shit is outside in that video. Sorry dude, that video is either staged or Azov murdered pro-russians who decided to stay. And your media and politicians are lying to you.

It's typical of conspiracy theories to grasp at straws like this: that someone who "should have" seen something or said something, didn't. There are a million reasons why the mayor wasn't gushing about dead bodies on the streets in his first statements. And I'm not sure what you're referring to with "4 days after they left"? Here is an interview with the Mayor on April 4th:



In the video he clearly says that there are dead bodies on the street. That's 3-4 days after Russians left. I thought you were originally referring to his written statements on April 1st.

On the other hand, there is the actual pictures, videos, satellite images, and witness statements saying that Russia did indeed murder civilians in Bucha. And the same thing was revealed to happen in other towns. "The mayor of Bucha" argument is weak compared to all the other corroborating evidence.

 

[barbos]

Gee, how could that be? Maybe ... he stayed indoors and didn't see the bodies until after his statement?

for 4 days after they left? Some shy nazi mayor we have here. And Yes, piece of shit is outside in that video. Sorry dude, that video is either staged or Azov murdered pro-russians who decided to stay. And your media and politicians are lying to you.

It's typical of conspiracy theories to grasp at straws like this: that someone who "should have" seen something or said something, didn't. There are a million reasons why the mayor wasn't gushing about dead bodies on the streets in his first statements. And I'm not sure what you're referring to with "4 days after they left"? Here is an interview with the Mayor on April 4th:



In the video he clearly says that there are dead bodies on the street. That's 3-4 days after Russians left. I thought you were originally referring to his written statements on April 1st.

On the other hand, there is the actual pictures, videos, satellite images, and witness statements saying that Russia did indeed murder civilians in Bucha. And the same thing was revealed to happen in other towns. "The mayor of Bucha" argument is weak compared to all the other corroborating evidence.

Sorry, too late for that. Motherfucker is changing his story after the fact.
Once that piece of shit gets arrested he will get 15 years in russian prison.
For this interview alone.
And he is even lying on top of lying. There was no investigation and no identification of the bodies. They were allegedly promptly burried to hide time of death, because people pointed out that corpses looked surprisingly fresh for 4 days in the open.

So, either there were no bodies (just actors and red paint) or they were all murdered by Azov as they themselves threatened after russians left.
4 days man. This piece of shit wants us to believe that nobody noticed bodies for 4 days.

 

[barbos]

It's typical of conspiracy theories to grasp at straws like this: that someone who "should have" seen something or said something, didn't.

Give me a fucking break!

I understand it's hard to accept that you are the bad guys but you are.