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Copernicus

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We have seen how incensed Republicans have become over Critical Race Theory, which is seen as a left wing conspiracy that is even taught in our schools. Recently, we have seen the rise of Replacement Theory (aka 'Great Replacement'), which apparently was part of the inspiration for the Buffalo mass shooting. The idea is that the broad majority of white people is being eroded and replaced by immigrants and people of color. A recent poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research showed that roughly a third of Americans believe some version of replacement theory.

If Republican legislatures can get together to prioritize and pass laws banning the teaching of Critical Race Theory in the schools, why don't they also get busy looking into whether Replacement Theory is also being taught and make sure that textbooks are banned if their content appears to support it? Or is that something that Democratic-controlled legislatures should be doing? After all, isn't it the job of state legislatures to make sure that schoolchildren aren't exposed to dangerous ideas? :Sarcasm:

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The 'great replacement' conspiracy theory isn't fringe anymore, it's mainstream​

 
In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.
 
I'd say there is some truth to it o. Obama said the USA should look like the rest of world. He created a diversity lottery immigration system that allowed people to et in who would not be normally be considered for immigration.

If a country is under repented get people form that country in.

There is antipathy and certainly hatred against whites from minorities.

Back in the 90s majorly Latino border schools were using radical texts from south of the border. Instead of the whites saying blacks should go back to Africa it was whites go back to Europe. Latinos rightfully own America.

While ugly and deplorable the white violent response is predictable.

I woud say there is an undercurrent among minorities of replacing whites. The demographic predictions say it will be Latinos who become the majority.

Were seeing the deconstruction of what was the American cultural foundation. Latins celebrate Cinco De Mayo in California schools. There was a case when a student was told to take oof a shirt with an American flag on it on the day. It might offend Latinos.

As I see it we are heading towards a violent melt down. Not just racial and cultural. Wee just seeing the start of it as we become like third world countries where violent demonstrations are the norm.

Death thretas aginast COTUS and demonstraions outside judges' homes. An increasing rejection of accepting rule of law.
 
When things actually happen, you can't call it a conspiracy theory.

Anyway, this type of social engineering has been occurring in other places, see the United Kingdom for example.
 
The idea that minorities do not have their own bias and prejudice is political correctness at its worse and plain ignorance. The idea that there is not given to increasing minoritie in America is ignorance of human nature.

The current progessive mantra is diversity is wondeful with no negatve side effects. The implcayion is without whites verybody will nake nice and get along.

If you are young today you will see if America avoids a meltdown 50 years from now. I had my life. The future is yours such as it will be. You can think all is well and will be well if it helps yiu sleep at night.

For several years in Seattle I witnessed the violence and demonstrations and the rhetoric. We have a city council member an immigrant from India who openly wants to tear down the system and replace it with her personal vision of a just democracy. She is popular in her district and defeated a recall vote.

I am an independent centrist and I reject extremes on both sides. The media does empasize the right wing extremists and gives a pass to the left wind extremists. No matter how extreme an ideology or view from the left it gets soft retirement. Especially on NPR.

It is hearasy to consder there are issues won the left as there are on the right.

From Freethought I try to avoid -isms and -ologies looking at issued from observation without bias.

Unlike many arnchair liberals I grew up around blacks and Latinos and have converstaions on race with blacks in my building from my generation. If yiu actually taled iwth regular blacks and Latinos person to person yiur views might change.

You amy be surprised to find American blacks can have isuues with black African and Latino immigrants.
 
Biden 2015:

“An unrelenting stream of immigration, nonstop, nonstop. Folks like me who were Caucasian, of European descent for the first time in 2017 will be in an absolute minority in the United States of America, absolute minority. Fewer than 50 percent of the people in America from then and on will be White European stock. That’s not a bad thing. That’s as a source of our strength.”
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laughing dog said:
In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.
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Death rates for Hispanic and blacks are higher than for whites as are from before birth onward. Life expectancy is less for non-whites compared with whites, with the exception of Asians.


Infant Mortality | Maternal and Infant Health | Reproductive Health | CDC

In 2020, the infant mortality rate in the United States was 5.4 deaths per 1,000 live births. CDC is committed to improving birth outcomes and reduce infant mortality in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
‘Great replacement theory’ is ignorant both broadly and narrowly

Let’s quickly dispatch with the purported plot at the heart of the conspiracy theory. It, too, can be segmented into degrees. One speculates that some secretive cabal of elites is drawing immigrants to the United States to get their votes. It’s often framed in anti-Semitic terms, in part because it’s popular among neo-Nazis. There’s no point in walking through a specific debunk since anyone who adheres to it will not be influenced by rational argument.
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While President Biden’s view of immigration is certainly less hostile than Trump’s, the administration kept in place a rule, over objections from key Democratic constituencies, that allowed the government to quickly deport people who crossed the border. Vice President Harris explicitly told Central American migrants not to come to the United States.
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As you might expect, the federal government tracks this data. In 2020, 625,400 people were naturalized as U.S. citizens. (Of those newly naturalized immigrants, about 1 in 8 were from Mexico.) That’s compared with 3.6 million babies born in the country — native-born Americans all. That’s a ratio of 5.8 native-born babies to 1 new American from naturalization. If we look only at those of voting age (since you must be both a citizen and 18 to vote in federal elections), the gap is wider: In 2020, about 4.2 million U.S. residents turned 18.
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The "conspiracy" part of this is the idea that some group, e.g. liberal elitists or Democrats, are plotting to replace white people with minorities that don't share their "cultural values". The original idea of Great Replacement ("Grand Remplacement") came from the French right wing white zealot  Renaud Camus. What is wrong with the idea is not just that there is no conspiracy to do that, but that American culture is not just about white people or those of European ancestry. Racial, ethnic, and cultural diversity has always been very much a part of American culture, and egalitarianism--tolerant, fair, and equal treatment for everyone--has always been a goal of US constitutional government. So there is no actual "replacement" going on except in terms of superficial appearances. It doesn't matter what proportion of the population is light or dark-skinned in the future or even what language they speak.

To say that there is truth to Replacement Theory is essentially to buy into the myth that there is some kind effort to change core values that aren't really core values of America, let alone France, which has its own issue with domestic and immigrant minorities.
 
I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.
 
Politesse said:
I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.
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They're afraid they would be treated the way they want to treat minorities and immigrants. In other words, projection.
 
Politesse said:
I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.
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I don't think that the right wing zealots are concerned about skin color more than they are with the "values" that they stereotypically associate with skin color. This may seem like a subtle distinction, but I can't help remembering how DW Griffith's infamously racist film,  Birth of a Nation, made a huge distinction between good people of color and bad ones. The good ones hid and protected white people from rampaging bad ones. IOW, the "good" ones were seen as not threatening to the status quo. Black supporters were always welcomed, highly praised, and prominently displayed behind the podium at Trump rallies.
 
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laughing dog said:
In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.
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But moreover, does it really matter?

I once had a friend bring up the idea of "replacement" on a late night walk. I disagreed vehemently that it mattered at all.

It just isn't important.

It's not like I don't have my own culture and life and madness that is mine, and having diverse neighbors doesn't take that from me.

As I look at it though, there is an issue in the middle of all of this owing to religion.

It has been proposed on these forums that religion is more about community than the dogma. The church just provides a convenient central point, source of funds for the community activities, direction, and only secondarily the regular brainwashings to both support that community and often to look down on everyone outside their specific church.

When smaller communities have more diverse members who, among them, cleave to more and different churches, I would expect this to cause friction within a community.

It is probably the sort of tribal nature that we evolved around since long before language.

The fact that a community might move from having 1500 members of 4 churches, to be 1700 members with 8 churches means the community is functionally splintered.

I don't expect any of these fundiegelicalwhateverthefucks to understand a lick of that. I expect all their understanding of it comes from their hindbrain that developed an instinct for tribal dynamics ala racism.

By the demographics shift, their community literally gets smaller because the churches of the communities are isolated and competitive.
 
Copernicus said:
Politesse said:
I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.
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I don't think that the right wing zealots are concerned about skin color more than they are with the "values" that they stereotypically associate with skin color. This may seem like a subtle distinction, but I can't help remembering how DW Griffith's infamously racist film,  Birth of a Nation, made a huge distinction between good people of color and bad ones. The good ones hid and protected white people from rampaging bad ones. IOW, the "good" ones were seen as not threatening to the status quo. Black supporters were always welcomed, highly praised, and prominently displayed behind the podium at Trump rallies.
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If the "values" are those expressed in Birth of a Nation, I'm not concerned about saving them. In fact, I'd rather not.
 
ZiprHead said:
Politesse said:
I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.
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They're afraid they would be treated the way they want to treat minorities and immigrants. In other words, projection.
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They should be afraid. And start making friends, instead of ramping up the cruelty.
 
Toni said:
laughing dog said:
US will become minority white in 2045In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.
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Death rates for Hispanic and blacks are higher than for whites as are from before birth onward. Life expectancy is less for non-whites compared with whites, with the exception of Asians.


Infant Mortality | Maternal and Infant Health | Reproductive Health | CDC

In 2020, the infant mortality rate in the United States was 5.4 deaths per 1,000 live births. CDC is committed to improving birth outcomes and reduce infant mortality in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
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Census projections but people of color in a majority by 2045 (US will become minority white in 2045 )
 
One thing that never makes sense to me is, where is the ‘replacement’ part? If I have 5 white people in a room, then bring in 5 black people, sure the white people make up a smaller percentage of the room, but all 5 of those people are still there. None have been ‘replaced’ in any way. Should it be called the Great White People Who Can’t Share Theory? Great Petulant People Who Need To Be The Center Of Attention Theory?

also all those people who love their European heritage, complaining about Latinos moving in and speaking Spanish…. Are they unaware that Spain is part of Europe?

steve_bank said:
There is antipathy and certainly hatred against racist assholes from minorities.
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