Russian Invasion of Ukraine - tactics and logistics

[barbos]

The Ukrainians don’t want you there.

Oh they do, they vehemently do. In Eastern Ukraine.
Even pro-ukrainian part is changing their mind once they saw what ukrainian army did.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You’re claiming they have a 40-1 advantage and yet they still can’t defeat Ukraine?

Yes. I say exactly that. Russia has 40-1 advantage in artillery and still has not defeated Ukraine.

Well, with that kind of military incompetence maybe you shouldn’t have launched the war in the first place. Just a thought.

Why do you assume it is incompetence?
Russians are pretty competent at using artillery so much so, that ukrainians are not even trying to counter it, instead they hit civilian targets while using other civilians as shield.

The civilian targets are being hit by Russian artillery, not Ukrainian.

You are wrong. Your government is lying to you.
But if you insist, then go to Mariupol and try telling them that.

There's no need to, nor would it even be possible to tell whose rounds were there.

1) Track record. Russia has done the same thing before--smashing civilians to no military advantage. Responsibility has been clear because in the past they were facing opponents that didn't have the ability to do it.

2) Why would Ukraine do it? They gain nothing (there's plenty of other evidence of Russia's evil) and would be taking a huge risk (if it were discovered and documented.) Once again, it's Russia that has a record of attacking it's own people.

Just because your country does such things doesn't mean everyone does!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

US had 1000-0 advantage in Afghanistan and 20 years.

A great example. They won shortly after we left. They didn’t want us there. Learn from us: The Ukrainians don’t want you there. Leave. You are not welcome. Go home.

No. It wasn't a matter of what they wanted. The Taliban is under the direction of the Islamists in Pakistan, it doesn't represent the Afghani population. We don't have a good indication of who the people would support.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A great example

I know, ukrainian army use terrorist tactics with some success. Unfortunately for them, ordinary people know that Russia is there to stay.
My point was that, in a fair fight ukrainian "army" has no chance, that's why they use terrorist tactics. And why not? So far it's working for them, western media lies for them, politicians vote to send them money and weapons, which they can sell on darknet.

And how are they supposed to do that??

The issue with the darknet is that you can't track the people doing it--but that doesn't mean you can't pay attention to what is being done. If there were substantial weapons sales we would know about it.

Furthermore, we know what we're shipping, we have a fair picture of what's actually being fired. Any major diversion we would see the discrepancy. A lot of the Russian vehicle kills are being documented online--they don't have the ability to fake that.

 

[barbos]

You’re claiming they have a 40-1 advantage and yet they still can’t defeat Ukraine?

Yes. I say exactly that. Russia has 40-1 advantage in artillery and still has not defeated Ukraine.

Well, with that kind of military incompetence maybe you shouldn’t have launched the war in the first place. Just a thought.

Why do you assume it is incompetence?
Russians are pretty competent at using artillery so much so, that ukrainians are not even trying to counter it, instead they hit civilian targets while using other civilians as shield.

The civilian targets are being hit by Russian artillery, not Ukrainian.

You are wrong. Your government is lying to you.
But if you insist, then go to Mariupol and try telling them that.

There's no need to, nor would it even be possible to tell whose rounds were there.

1) Track record. Russia has done the same thing before--smashing civilians to no military advantage. Responsibility has been clear because in the past they were facing opponents that didn't have the ability to do it.

2) Why would Ukraine do it? They gain nothing (there's plenty of other evidence of Russia's evil) and would be taking a huge risk (if it were discovered and documented.) Once again, it's Russia that has a record of attacking it's own people.

Just because your country does such things doesn't mean everyone does!

Complete and utter bullshit and your government/media knows it but choose to lie to you. Otherwise they would go to Crimea and Donbass and interview people there like independent journalists do.

 

[barbos]

Once again. CNN/US government lie to you, flat-out lie.

 

[SLD]

Once again. CNN/US government lie to you, flat-out lie.

So, are you personally in Ukraine to verify this? Or sitting in your cozy little dacha in Moscow?

 

[Elixir]

Sure, the guy with a beard and southern accent said so.
I feel so stupid now.

It's on youtube. That typically seems to convince you....

Hey, if it doesn’t have the “Comments Section Seal of Approval” it’s worthless.

 

[Elixir]

the west is not a monolith.

Oh yes it is!
And it’s The Enemy!
(This is a requirement of a dictatorial goobermint, to motivate the rabble)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There's no need to, nor would it even be possible to tell whose rounds were there.

1) Track record. Russia has done the same thing before--smashing civilians to no military advantage. Responsibility has been clear because in the past they were facing opponents that didn't have the ability to do it.

2) Why would Ukraine do it? They gain nothing (there's plenty of other evidence of Russia's evil) and would be taking a huge risk (if it were discovered and documented.) Once again, it's Russia that has a record of attacking it's own people.

Just because your country does such things doesn't mean everyone does!

Complete and utter bullshit and your government/media knows it but choose to lie to you. Otherwise they would go to Crimea and Donbass and interview people there like independent journalists do.

Russia is killing civilians trying to leave the area. Why do you think reporters would be able to safely do what you are suggesting?

Why not have a look at places like Chechnya where Russia did the same thing--no question it was them, their opponents didn't have the capability.

 

[Jayjay]

Like I said before, these are just anecdotal cases which don't reflect the overall motivation of the army. You can find similar videos from the other side.

No, it's not anecdotal, these are real soldiers quitting on camera.

"Anecdotal" doesn't mean they're false. It means that they're not proof of overall motivation. Just like video and captured phone calls of Russians doing the same doesn't mean that the Russian army is on the verge of collapse.

Ukrainian regime is running out of professional soldiers. The ones on these videos were mobilized, given AK74 and sent to fight against professional army. They can't operate any equipment beyond that AK74 . Some idiots are from territorial defense who signed up to "defend" their towns only, with small arms only, but then were sent to real war. They have no training whatsoever, some probably too old and unfit to be trained anyway.

Yet they've managed to put up a good fight against the 2nd most powerful army in the world. That speaks volumes about their motivation.

Ukrainian "army" is close to collapsing. In fact, the only reason it has not happened yet is because they are lying to themselves and the West. Ukrainians are not aware how badly they are doing.
Having said that, ukrainian regime and their western masters are slowly changing their song preparing for capitulation. Some goverment critters report catastrophic losses in the range of 1000 soldiers per day. Even western state media leaks about talks about Ukrainian territorial concessions.

Ukraine has already exceeded all expections, and it's impossible to tell how long they can hang on. Until they actually do collapse, the weapons supplied are not going to be wasted: every dead Russian soldier or destroyed artillery piece is one less soldier and cannon less in the next dumbass war Russia is going to start.

 

[fromderinside]

When faced with the possibility of death people do strange things like shoot up into the air from trenches, murder those who order them into battle, traditionally called fragging, run away, freeze up, commit suicide, etc. Some even become heros. It's war. Most of us who've faced it have either thought about or acted as described above. it's expected. Actually it's why US troops are trained the way they are to obey and to show initiative. Noncoms are the body of American war. They hold others together, they are the reason there is so much fighting among trainees and they are those capable of leading in times of stress even when threatened.

I remember being allowed to carry on even though I was reluctant to bear arms at first. I was assigned to concentrate on getting familiar with guns by stripping them down, and refurbishing them for hours each day until l finally volunteered to participate in training with them. I was encouraged to take as much responsibility as I felt able to. I accepted RCPO with no protest and great pride. I accepted reassignment when I stepped over the line. I let others express their anger without striking back. Yet I learned to defend myself or chose to take a blow to avoid letting things get out of control. It was all by training design and intention. I participated in many a shower score settlings. I became a leader.

 

[Jayjay]

The Ukrainians don’t want you there.

Oh they do, they vehemently do. In Eastern Ukraine.
Even pro-ukrainian part is changing their mind once they saw what ukrainian army did.

The eastern part was under occupation for 8 years, and has been fed with incessant Russian propaganda since then. And anyone who was even mildly pro-Ukrainian left for their own safety if they could.

Of course, the same thing will happen in the newly occupied territories with time. Anyone how opposes Russia gets tortured or killed. So everyone is going to just shut up, and try to survive. And Russia will ship new people from Crimea and elsewhere. This is an age old strategy from Soviet and Tsarist times. But that doesn't make it any less despicable.

And what did the Ukrainian army do, that Russian army didn't do 100 times worse?

 

[Jayjay]

The Ukrainians don’t want you there.

Oh they do, they vehemently do. In Eastern Ukraine.

No, they don't. According to an opinion poll conducted in Ukrainian-controlled Donbas in 2017, only 2% wanted it to be part of Russia, and another 1% an independent state. 78% preferred to remain part of Ukraine (and 73% preferred even the Russian-occupied territories to be part of Ukraine, but of course, in this case they didn't ask the residents of the "people's republics").

And it's reasonable to assume that people in Zhaporizhia, Kherson or Odessa want to be part of Russia even less. When Russian troops took Kherson, they were greeted with people protesting and telling them to go home.

 

[barbos]

All of a sudden american mercenaries are against war and speak russian.
Wow! but asian-american needs to work on prononciation more. I am sure he will have enough time in russian prison to improve.

 

[barbos]

The Ukrainians don’t want you there.

Oh they do, they vehemently do. In Eastern Ukraine.

No, they don't. According to an opinion poll conducted in Ukrainian-controlled Donbas in 2017, only 2% wanted it to be part of Russia, and another 1% an independent state. 78% preferred to remain part of Ukraine (and 73% preferred even the Russian-occupied territories to be part of Ukraine, but of course, in this case they didn't ask the residents of the "people's republics").

And it's reasonable to assume that people in Zhaporizhia, Kherson or Odessa want to be part of Russia even less. When Russian troops took Kherson, they were greeted with people protesting and telling them to go home.

Heavily edited, undated, place unconfirmed. Uktrainian propaganda garbage.
Having said that, I have never said there were no nazi-sympathizers among formerly ukrainian territories. For Example Azov regiment people for the most part are scam from Eastern Ukraine.
After all, it's a denazification operation.

 

[Patooka]

Heavily edited, undated, place unconfirmed. Uktrainian propaganda garbage.
Having said that, I have never said there were no nazi-sympathizers among formerly ukrainian territories. For Example Azov regiment people for the most part are scam from Eastern Ukraine.
After all, it's a denazification operation.

And yet another instance of you ignoring Putin and his love for the Wagner Group.

Go home, barbos. You're drunk.

 

[Jayjay]

The Ukrainians don’t want you there.

Oh they do, they vehemently do. In Eastern Ukraine.

No, they don't. According to an opinion poll conducted in Ukrainian-controlled Donbas in 2017, only 2% wanted it to be part of Russia, and another 1% an independent state. 78% preferred to remain part of Ukraine (and 73% preferred even the Russian-occupied territories to be part of Ukraine, but of course, in this case they didn't ask the residents of the "people's republics").

And it's reasonable to assume that people in Zhaporizhia, Kherson or Odessa want to be part of Russia even less. When Russian troops took Kherson, they were greeted with people protesting and telling them to go home.

Heavily edited, undated, place unconfirmed. Uktrainian propaganda garbage.

Funny how "Ukrainian propaganda" turns out to be true 99% of the time, while the opposite is true of Russian propaganda.

The location was confirmed to be in Kherson March 21st.



Location is in Kherson city near the adminstrative building. You can check it from Google streetview if you don't believe me. And of course, Al Jazeera's quick edit is itself not the primary source, it was just the first one that came up when looking for some video of it. I don't keep a record or follow every single event that happens in the war, but these protests (many of them, also in other parts of the city) were widely reported. Of course Russia has since cracked down on the protests, but it shows the people didn't want them there.

Having said that, I have never said there were no nazi-sympathizers among formerly ukrainian territories. For Example Azov regiment people for the most part are scam from Eastern Ukraine.
After all, it's a denazification operation.

Here we go again with this imaginary nazi nonsense. Russian propaganda calls anyone who fights them a nazi, whether they're from the east, the west, the south, foreign legion, or outer space.

 

[Jayjay]

There are also polls from the Russian-occupied "people's republics", that show that even they for the most part wanted to be reunited with Ukraine rather than Russia:

Most people in separatist-held areas of Donbas prefer reintegration with Ukraine – new survey

What do the people of the Donbas want for their future?

theconversation.com

In the separatist-held areas of the Donbas, about 55% of the respondents expressed a preference for being part of the Ukrainian state. This is very significant for the next round of the negotiations as this wish for reintegration is an important corrective to Russia’s official rhetoric and public perceptions in the West.

Of the overall majority in favour of staying within Ukraine, roughly a third of the respondents in both years voiced a preference for an autonomy status within Ukraine. Meanwhile, about 21% of the respondents in 2016 said that the territories should return to Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts without any special status. In 2019, 24% chose this option. Though small in absolute numbers, this is a statistically significant change that indicates that the idea of returning to the pre-war status has gained in popularity.

 

[Harry Bosch]

The Ukrainians don’t want you there.

Oh they do, they vehemently do. In Eastern Ukraine.

No, they don't. According to an opinion poll conducted in Ukrainian-controlled Donbas in 2017, only 2% wanted it to be part of Russia, and another 1% an independent state. 78% preferred to remain part of Ukraine (and 73% preferred even the Russian-occupied territories to be part of Ukraine, but of course, in this case they didn't ask the residents of the "people's republics").

And it's reasonable to assume that people in Zhaporizhia, Kherson or Odessa want to be part of Russia even less. When Russian troops took Kherson, they were greeted with people protesting and telling them to go home.

Heavily edited, undated, place unconfirmed. Uktrainian propaganda garbage.

Funny how "Ukrainian propaganda" turns out to be true 99% of the time, while the opposite is true of Russian propaganda.

The location was confirmed to be in Kherson March 21st.



Location is in Kherson city near the adminstrative building. You can check it from Google streetview if you don't believe me. And of course, Al Jazeera's quick edit is itself not the primary source, it was just the first one that came up when looking for some video of it. I don't keep a record or follow every single event that happens in the war, but these protests (many of them, also in other parts of the city) were widely reported. Of course Russia has since cracked down on the protests, but it shows the people didn't want them there.

Having said that, I have never said there were no nazi-sympathizers among formerly ukrainian territories. For Example Azov regiment people for the most part are scam from Eastern Ukraine.
After all, it's a denazification operation.

Here we go again with this imaginary nazi nonsense. Russian propaganda calls anyone who fights them a nazi, whether they're from the east, the west, the south, foreign legion, or outer space.

Well, it's a brilliant strategy. Take over the media. Convince your gullible citizens that foreign media is fake. Convince your gullible citizens that meanie Nazis are on your border. Send in your troops. Doesn't matter how many of your troops are killed. You can enrich your self and be hailed a hero.