I have one reason.
In our life time we will see billions of people die and not one come back. There is no reason for me to go any further.
What scares me is when we raise a dead person, and I believe we will, people will soon forget that we couldn't do it and will use it as proof that it could have happened.
That's interesting. You have
likes from four other individuals who also seem to believe, eventually, "
man himself will raise the dead!!?"
So there
is faith, among the secular. Welcome aboard?
Adding another perspective to help you see why you are interpreting this incorrectly:
the secularists read the relevant and important part as “what scares me is…” that religious people will see a scientific medical success and decide that it’s the same as their miracle story and consider their “faith” validated. But the reality is that medical science studied the way the human body works, found out what it needs to be restarted and successfully did it and it have absolutley no connection to their bible story, but they’ll think it does.
You can consider this action having already happened with the invention of CPR and the defribulator. Humans flatline - the heart stops, the lungs stop. By ancient rules, they are DEAD. Then CPR is applied, or a defib (tools of science created through physical understanding of the natural world) and the person is “resurrected.”
You use the word “resurrected,” with what seems like giddy delight
while doing exactly… EXACTLY! what SIB fears you will do, considering the medical advancement as some proof of your religious myth.
It’s not.
Instead, it quite debunks your religious myth, proving that people who are considered “dead” still have physical attributes that are acessible as “life” given the right conditions. CPR and the defribulator have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that “life” persists for some time after a heartbeat and breathing stop. Indeed, we know in conditions of cold (such as drowning victims in icy water), this can be more than an hour, then the heartbeat and breathing can be restored through science and the person revived. Brought back to life. “Ressurected.” And it is 100% scientifically understandable and predictable. And it does not in any way validate your religious myth that a divine power exists.
Indeed, it is well known that people whose vital signs still exist but are severely depressed (extemely slow heartbeat and extremely shallow breathing) are thought of as “dead,” sometimes for days, and their body later re-established normal patterns and they “wake from the dead,” while we know they were not actually dead. These “ressurections” have happened numerous times, inluding people “waking up” in a morgue.
And here you are, showing exactly the problem with uncritical acceptance of a myth; you see someone talking about medical advancements making that bodily return from low response or lackk of heartbeat to normal oprating conditions, and you let us watch you decide, “see? This validates my Jesus story!”
It doesn’t. But that’s SIB’s fear that people like you will see good scientific evidence and completely misinterpret iit to bolster a dangerous belief.
We just watched you do it, right now, when you gleefully asked if we were having a “faith” moment. It was a weird thing to see you say because, no, there was no “faith” there at all. There was extrapolation that advancing science will likely continue to advance, as it has, and uncritical people will continue to think it is magic.
Fair viewpoint Jahyn, thanks for your decent response, ( I was really intrigued that Atrib and Bilby liked SIB's post, which suggested man being ressurected.)
You misinterpreted what part of that they were “like”ing.
You assumed it was liking ressurection.
But you did not consider that perhaps they were liking the acknowledgement that uncritical people will use the data wrong and try to sell it as proof of their myth.
He is saying that he has confidence in the scientific method, as well he should. Because the scientific method works, and doctors use modern medicine to bring people back from "the dead" all the fucking time. Praying to an imaginary skybeast we have no evidence for and believe in based purely on faith, does not. Do you really not understand the difference?
Hello again Atrib... So ressurection is plausible in your cats eyes? Would you still call the ressurected (who have been dead for some time, then brought to life) zombies, or have you changed your mind on the idea, that dead people could come alive again? You never believed it was ever possible by all your previous posts. Zombies etc.. Of course you'll going to say there's a difference now, between a biblical and a modern medicine idea for a human ressurection.
Think about what you're saying and agreeing to. Resurrection?
You seem to be using this word “ressurection” in a way that the rest of us are not using it. ANd then trying to assign your definition to us.
Question:
- Do you use the word “resurrection” to mean a divine miracle?
- And you are asking if we are admitting to belief in a divine miracle?
Clarification
- When we use the term “bring back from the dead” we mean scientifically, medically, restarting body processes by understanding the body processes and how to connect them to their power source. We mean science understanding how a brain stores data and re-establishing blood flow and heartbeat and oxygenation to support the brain. We understand that “dead” is often thought of as a cessation of heartbeat, even though science has shown us that the brain continues to operate for some time, and if the heartbeat can be restored in time, the person is able to resume function. We call that “bringing back,” or even “bringing back from the dead,” because the definition of dead, for so many millenia prior to th understanding of the brain was that the heartbeat was the threshold. But at this point, it’s a euphemism, since the brain was not yet dead. And we extrapolate that science will continue to stretch this window for more and more time…
- And that people like you will think it is supernatural and proves your Jesus story.
- But essentially, it’s just you using the term “resurrection” to mean god-derived and thinking that we mean the same thing when we say “brought back from the dead,” beacuse you wish to believe that deep down we support your myth. But it’s just you misusing language to avoid understanding science.