Trump 2024?

[Gospel]

California is trending "blue", not "red". Like Austin, we're taking in mass refugees from other countries and other parts of the country, looking for a place where they can live their life freely yet still turn a decent salary.

Not to mention that despite the focus on illegal immigrants committing crimes many immigrants know the American constitution better than some natural-born citizens and end up taking the oath. It doesn't guarantee they'd vote democrat but Fox headlines like THEY RAPE, KILL, DRUG & HUMAN TRAFFIC OUR AMERICAN DREAMS AWAY!! is a push.

 

[Elixir]

The focus on illegal immigrants committing crimes is mystifying. Especially since those same panic-stricken xenophobic fearmongers are statistically more likely to commit crimes than are the objects of their terror.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

conservatives turned to racism and xenophobia to appeal to white voters who had traditionally voted Democratic for economic reasons.

More like: the left turned toward anti-white identity politics. Things like so-called "affirmative action" and "critical race theory" (which is even infecting math education in places like California) have become non-negotiable among Democrats.

This is a pretty good example of how well the Republican strategy worked. Convince white voters that anything that isn't directly benefiting white people is "anti-white" and they'll believe anything else they are fed.

Nothing comforts the weak minded quite as much as being told it's not their fault.

It could be noted, so I will, that some people don't want "comfort". They want "conflict", they want to feel "angry", they want to feel "wronged".

It's not that they don't want comfort. Racism and xenophobia were once respectable political and philosophical factions. There was science and theology to support it. The key word is "respectable." There has been a very significant sea change in American culture. Racism is now seen as ignorant and a sign of low intelligence.

It's poor salesmanship to send out a message than makes people think one is stupid, and worse, those who agree are stupid as well. Trump supporters are particularly sensitive to being labeled as "stupid". The new sales pitch is "I'll get back all the stuff you lost." No one will say what was lost, or who took it, because that will bring up the stupid problem again.

Or it could just be that the US is not quite as racist as some want us to believe.

Or maybe people aren't quite walking around complaining about the US being Nazi Germany.

Just how did a racist country elect a black president? Because there were so many racist voters who decided to vote for someone who was not their own race?

To be sure, the US was racist in the past but does that mean reverse racism should be the acceptable norm now? And if whites are punished and reformed today for sins of the past they had no control over, how does that help the US progress in the future?

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US. Just because the last Annie was black, didn't mean a poor little white girl was being punished.

 

[RVonse]

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders. It would be the act of an insane person to destroy their own legacy.

Perhaps white people do still have the most money. But what good did having money do for the jews in Germany?

 

[Elixir]

If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

What makes you think there are no white people who despise racism and slavery?
You’re not the only white person around.

If white people didn’t control this country, the US Senate wouldn’t be 89% white.

 

[Ford]

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.

That's demonstratedly false.

Are you seriously saying that white people don't grossly represent America in positions of power and wealth?

If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

Christopher Columbus and Robert E Lee did not found the United States of America.

Perhaps white people do still have the most money.

Perhaps? Most? Fuck... Top 0.1% of America own almost more than the bottom 90% combined!

But what good did having money do for the jews in Germany?

Geesh, didn't take long to Godwin that up.

 

[RVonse]

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/23/thomas-jefferson-statue-removed-nyc-slaveowner/

 

[RVonse]

If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

What makes you think there are no white people who despise racism and slavery?
You’re not the only white person around.

If white people didn’t control this country, the US Senate wouldn’t be 89% white.

Why wouldn't it be? The US is 61% white with many small white population states getting more representation in the senate than would otherwise happen without the electorial college.

2020 Census Illuminates Racial and Ethnic Composition of the Country

Today’s release of 2020 Census data provides a new snapshot of the racial and ethnic composition of the country.

www.census.gov

 

[RVonse]

Geesh, didn't take long to Godwin that up.

It didn't take long just to figure out that people act the same way today that they have acted in the past.

 

[Elixir]

The US is 61% white with many small white population states getting more representation in the senate than would otherwise happen without the electorial college.

Now that you have identified one of the obviously unfair mechanisms whereby white people control the US, why are you still whining that white people don’t control the US? Did you forget what you just said?

BTW, both small and large States underrepresent minorities in the Senate and in the House.

 

[Gospel]

If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

What makes you think there are no white people who despise racism and slavery?
You’re not the only white person around.

If white people didn’t control this country, the US Senate wouldn’t be 89% white.

Why wouldn't it be? The US is 61% white with many small white population states getting more representation in the senate than would otherwise happen without the electorial college.

2020 Census Illuminates Racial and Ethnic Composition of the Country

Today’s release of 2020 Census data provides a new snapshot of the racial and ethnic composition of the country.

www.census.gov

I think you missed the point. Black 1%ers isn't a thing and white people hold the majority of political positions in this country. This goes for all three arms of our (yes I said our) government. Heck even when slavery was abolished it wasn't black people that did it. We just marched our asses off and got violently fucked around every corner. It was white people that agreed to and had the power to make amendments. Still the case today. I admit I don't care about some statue getting torn down (no matter whose statue it is) what I care about is America turning to tyranny out of fear and ignorance as a result of "we the people" putting self-centered simpletons in powerful positions.

 

[Gospel]

Also, refusing to recognize the flaws of the people who started America, and rather than seeking to make improvements you hullaballoo about some MAGA shit while allowing the flags of our enemies to be flown before our fucking president and then marched into our capital.

Maybe white people should step aside after all, yall slippin.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/23/thomas-jefferson-statue-removed-nyc-slaveowner/

While Jefferson has largely been spared, statues honoring Confederate figures such as Gen. Robert E. Lee have been removed nationwide in cities and on college campuses. More than 140 Confederate monuments have been removed from public land since the Charleston, S.C., church shooting in 2015, and about two-thirds of those came down in 2020 in the aftermath of Floyd’s murder, according to data tracked by The Washington Post. Yet more than 700 Confederate monuments remained at the end of last year, along with hundreds of names on roads, schools, parks and the like.

 

[Elixir]

WTF is afflicting Mr Vonse?
First he comes out vehemently denying that white people control the Country.
I cite an example of white people controlling the country.
He says "what do you expect"?
I wonder what HE expects.

Apparently, non-whites getting any representation at all is viewed as a lamentable loss of white power.
Almost as if non-whites are sub-human in the minds of white conservatives.
Now he's not responding... kinda like a certain creature from Norse mythology that dwells in caves, under bridges etc.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Trump barely squeezed through by stealing the electoral college because folks didn't like Hillary.

How did he steal the electoral college? Or do you mean it in the sense akin to "stealing a base" rather than theft?
Because convincing more people to vote for you then voted for your opponent in key states is not theft, even if reason why voters in those key states did not vote for her is because they found her unlikable. Note that they liked her well enough in states like California, but running up the score there is worth bupkis.

Do you not understand what the 1/6 plot was?!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Or it could just be that the US is not quite as racist as some want us to believe. Just how did a racist country elect a black president? Because there were so many racist voters who decided to vote for someone who was not their own race?

To be sure, the US was racist in the past but does that mean reverse racism should be the acceptable norm now? And if whites are punished and reformed today for sins of the past they had no control over, how does that help the US progress in the future? Especially those whites (like Elon Musk who immigrated themselves recently) who clearly had nothing to do with the US pre 1860 circa.

Will such policies enhance social acceptance and harmony? Do we see such results working today?

The problem is that we aren't all alike.

Most people are pretty much not racist. That's why we could elect Obama, that's why the only racism my wife and I have encountered have been from people objecting to her marrying outside her race.

However, there is a kernel of highly racist people. Fortunately, most of them aren't in a position to do too much damage. Unfortunately, they're trying to get into a position to do a lot of damage.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The focus on illegal immigrants committing crimes is mystifying. Especially since those same panic-stricken xenophobic fearmongers are statistically more likely to commit crimes than are the objects of their terror.

They need to demonize them somehow. Most of us realize that the illegals aren't a big problem. Their real sin is not being white.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders. It would be the act of an insane person to destroy their own legacy.

Perhaps white people do still have the most money. But what good did having money do for the jews in Germany?

Founders aren't automatically good guys. The left doesn't automatically worship people because of the position they held.

And note that most of the statues that have been torn down are Jim Crow era symbols of repression, not statues of founders anyway.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

2010: the Tea Party

The Tea Party movement started November 5, 2007.

That aside, which is better for the Democrats - if Trump does enter the Republican primary, or if he doesn't?