Climate Change(d)?

[steve_bank]

Good luck if you are expecting scientific rigor from reporters.

 

[SIB]

Gotta love conservatives. They look out the window, see that it's raining today wherever they happen to be, and conclude that global warming is a lie. It's like if the residents of a nursery school decided to start a corporation.

yup, I also think that people mix up cost and climate change.

The climate is changing. That doesn't mean "you" get to take more money from "me" to fix it. It also doesn't mean "you" get to decide the risk vs benefit. The left tend to try and force morals on "us" then accuse everybody else of doing it to them. Its the funniest thing. There is no need to stop progress for global warming.

As A point of fact I dislike both far left and far right. Most people are "liberal". We want to help when we can. But some of wacky people "conservatives" have the belief that am "I" am willing to help (20-25% of my salary seems fair plus sales tax) but what are "you "going to do to help "us" help "you".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Portland, Oregon is having another enduring heat wave. Not peaking like last year, but it'll be around the fifth longest of 90+ degree highs recorded, with 3 of the other 5 being in the last 20 years as well. And if this finishes as forecasted, it'd be 3 in the last 7 years.

Historically for PDX, this stretch would not place the record for
most days 90 and above in jeopardy. With last Sunday counting as the
first, that would make for 7 consecutive days with highs 90 and
above which ties for fifth longest. The record sits at 10 days from
late July, 2009 with 9 in 2018 and 8 in the years 1967 and 2015.

So what is the climate change part? Well, Oregon passed a law generally requiring landlords to allow access to AC in units, though it seems to have protected portable more than window units. Building codes are being revisited to address air conditioning requirements in areas where this wasn't an issue. When laws and codes are changed to deal with the environment, that is never really a good thing. Codes and laws were created with the existing environment in mind. So when changes are needed to those laws and codes, that is definitely an indicator that there is notable change.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In other words, the NWS or, more likely, some "science editor" (Yahoo's?) FLUNKED.

Not at all.

Again, these are effective temps. If it is zero outside and there is a 15 mph wind, there is an effective air temperature that represents to our skin (-32 degrees F). It isn't actually -32 degree outside, it is 0 degrees with 15 mph winds, which to your body is like -32 degrees.

Same thing going the other way with high temps and humidity.

Think of it like a vector instead of merely being scalar.

You're missing my point. Yahoo's science editor did NOT write "The effective temperature was 110." He wrote "the mercury hit 110." I understand this is intended as "colorful idiom" but . . . from a SCIENCE editor?? There really are mercury thermometers and they do NOT respond to humidity.

You could have a wet bulb mercury thermometer. It doesn't sound like a good idea, though.

 

[TSwizzle]

The inventor of Gaia, James Lovelock has passed away at the ripe old age of 103.

 

[Swammerdami]

James Lovelock was one of the great polymaths of our time. In addition to his theory of Gaia, he made discoveries or developed inventions in a variety of fields; he was a key advisor to NASA, particularly as how to search for possible life.

IIRC, many decades ago he was very skeptical of climate change; he turned into a hyper-alarmist 20 or 25 years ago; and finally settled on a more "centrist" position. He was of course a strong advocate of nuclear power.

 

[Jokodo]

Yahoo seems to think it was hot yesterday: Have they gone over to the other side? For those of us tired of Islamo-Maoist-Illuminati-AOC lies, can Truth Social — or their spokesman here — fill us in on the TRUE™ temperatures?

The leftist-alleged heat is affecting the center and the west . . .

the NWS said that 85 million Americans were under excessive heat warnings and heat advisories on Sunday. In the U.S., heat kills more people annually than any other type of weather event.

“Stifling heat is also on tap from central Kansas and Oklahoma to the Middle Mississippi Valley, where a large swath of heat advisories and a few excessive heat warnings are in place,” said the NWS.

Temperatures could soar to 111 degrees in parts of Oklahoma, including Tulsa, and thermometers could hit the hundreds in Las Vegas, and multiple cities in Texas.

Southern and Western states have been hit particularly hard with flash droughts. According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, more than 63.2% of the country is currently “abnormally dry,” affecting cattle and crop produce.

. . . but also the Northeast:

“Numerous record highs are forecast to be tied and/or broken today in the Northeast,” the National Weather Service said in a bulletin Sunday of the heat wave that is expected to last through Tuesday. Taking humidity into account, the bulletin said that the mercury could hit 105 to 110 degrees Fahrenheit.

Nitpick: I think I understand the notion that humid heat feels hotter than dry heat. But does this humidity actually affect the mercury "hittings"?

It doesn't impact the thermometer. It impacts the body, much like the "wind chill". It is an effective temperature.

Yeah, human beings (unlike thermometers) can't actually detect temperature.

We can, however, detect our rate of heat loss. Too much heat loss feels 'cold'; Too little feels 'hot'. Both trigger physiological changes that act to prevent heat loss from moving outside the survivable range, or adapt the
rate of heat production (by becoming lethargic or shivering); And outside that range, the feeling of 'hot' or 'cold' can cease - hypothermia victims describe the feeling of being cold going away as they succumb to it.

Nitpick

 

[bleubird]

When was the last time this happened?

 

[TSwizzle]

Weather.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

When was the last time this happened?

Flooding isn't exactly uncommon here. We don't get a lot of rain but it's not unusual to get half a year's rain in day. It's summer thunderstorms, short but they can be intense. We had sleet up on the mountain yesterday.

 

[steve_bank]

Reducing things to simple terms. When in dought on a problem I alays drilled down to the basics, thermodynamics.

You can try and deaete why, the oceans are warming. The increase in energy stored in the oceans per degree is enormous. Work is proportional to differences in potential energy. That increasein ocean thermal energy will express itself. Ocean currents and air currents wull change, and these in large part determine local weather patterns.

An anlogy night be lighting. Lightning occurs when there is a sufficient potential energy difference.

Weather reporting is now computerized. Weather segments in the news show air detailed flows across the region starting out on the Pacific and generally predicts local temperatures withing a few degress across western Washington. The modeling is pretty amazing taking into account the topology across the region.

That climate is changing based on both observation and modeling is inescapable.

Our electrical grid is utterly inadequate. Climate chnage beyond cyclical droughts is and will be affect hydro power.

Meanwhile silly climate chnage deniers and our poticians cntinue self satisfying public masturbation.

 

[TSwizzle]

That climate is changing based on both observation and modeling is inescapable.

It’s baffling that you think climate should not change.

A rapture like cult.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*air freshener*

 

[Elixir]

Again, these are effective temps. If it is zero outside and there is a 15 mph wind, there is an effective air temperature that represents to our skin (-32 degrees F). It isn't actually -32 degree outside, it is 0 degrees with 15 mph winds, which to your body is like -32 degrees.

"If it is zero outside and you have exposed skin in the wind, you're an idiot."
Paraphrasing Dr Howard Donner, famous wilderness medic...
His point is that it's a useless metric for all practical purposes. You can measure ambient air temperature and know how badly whatever wind you're in is going to suck heat. it's dependent on clothing, shelter, wind consistency, humidity and blah blah blah. Don't freeze your fingers off trying to use a calculator ...

 

[steve_bank]

That climate is changing based on both observation and modeling is inescapable.

It’s baffling that you think climate should not change.

A rapture like cult.

Sticky fingers? Wear a condom.

Typical shallow response of the deniers. I never said climate should not change. The question is the rapidity of the rise in temperature. All natural known causes have been eliminated, except by 'experts' like Tucker Carlson and of course your self. It is tied to the rapid rose in industriazation and burning of fossil fuels.

I have waterfront property in Miami I am selling cheap, interested?

 

[TSwizzle]

It really is an end of times religion;

The publication of Bill McGuire’s latest book, Hothouse Earth, could not be more timely. The crucial point, he argues, is that there is now no chance of us avoiding a perilous, all-pervasive climate breakdown. We have passed the point of no return and can expect a future in which lethal heatwaves and temperatures and where our oceans are destined to become warm and acidic.

Teh Gruaniad

Too late to repent, we are dooooooooooomed !!!!!11!!1111!!!

A rapture like cult.

 

[pood]

It really is an end of times religion;

The publication of Bill McGuire’s latest book, Hothouse Earth, could not be more timely. The crucial point, he argues, is that there is now no chance of us avoiding a perilous, all-pervasive climate breakdown. We have passed the point of no return and can expect a future in which lethal heatwaves and temperatures and where our oceans are destined to become warm and acidic.

Teh Gruaniad

Too late to repent, we are dooooooooooomed !!!!!11!!1111!!!

A rapture like cult.

Earlier, you stated that all past climate change models had yielded false forecasts. I demonstrated that this was almost completely untrue — they were almost always accurate except in some cases they understated the urgency of the problem. Were you planning to comment on this, and withdraw your false claim?

Also, to me, it increaisngly seems that your short, sneering, content-free posts, always appended by your “rapture-like cult” idiocy, and your refusal to answer my questions, constitute a form of trolling. I will double-check the rules and if indicated, make a complaint to the mods.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That climate is changing based on both observation and modeling is inescapable.

It’s baffling that you think climate should not change.

A rapture like cult.

The reason we care is that:

1) Estimates for what will happen range from bad to catastrophic.

2) It's something under our control.

The road looks fine, why are you concerned with that "Bridge Out" sign??

 

[steve_bank]

I agree that it is too late.

We will stay in the reactive mode. In the long term we will conform to nature either with foresight or by natural forces.

It has certainly happened before. Mayn civilizatin grew, had an economy and a high standrd of living, and suffered a sudden collape. It tok a while, it was stared by climate change and drought affecting agriculture and nutrition. They compensated for a while but eventuayl order broke down violently from the archeology.

 

[TSwizzle]

I agree that it is too late.

In that case we can stop all this nonsense about fighting climate change by putting in bike lanes.

We will stay in the reactive mode. In the long term we will conform to nature either with foresight or by natural forces.

It has certainly happened before. Mayn civilizatin grew, had an economy and a high standrd of living, and suffered a sudden collape. It tok a while,

Eh? It was sudden but took a while? Which was it ?

it was stared by climate change and drought affecting agriculture and nutrition. They compensated for a while but eventuayl order broke down violently from the archeology.

Mayans and their pesky SUVs ?