Climate Change(d)?

[Politesse]

In the news:

Resident of the country's most populous state believes that it is ten years away from being the least populous, because 300,000 people left last year.

In other news:

Conservatism kills brain cells, more at 11.

Heh. Nice try on the burn. But, 2035 is 13 years away, not 10, and Wyoming is the least populous state, not S. Dakota. On top of that, the whole comment was quite obviously hyperbole intended for comic relief (see emoji). Sooooo,

In other news:

Liberalism kills brain cells, more at 11.

In all seriousness though, what energy sources is CA going to use to power the grid for the upcoming surge in EV? Unicorn farts? Rubbing cats backwards? And speaking of residents leaving CA, its only going to get worse if this EV mandate sticks. Not everyone can afford EVs or installing charging facilities in their house. Not to mention the impracticality for those who are regular long distance drivers.

No, man, you're still really bad at math. Even if California were (very implausibly) to continue to lose residents at the exact same rate as last year, in 13 years that would amount to a total population loss of around 3.9 million. And even if every last one of them moved to Texas and nowhere else, ours would still be the most populous state in the Union by a margin of more than a million people. There's a reason why we tend to lead the country on climate regulation, and why Texas and Florida will have to follow suit soon, even if they are dragged into it kicking and screaming. Even the most pugnacious Texans won't be happy if their skies and (scant!) water sources start looking the way California's were starting to in the 70s... You just can't throw tens of millions of people together in a handful of cities without some sort of cohesive plan for handling their waste and continuing to deliver key resources and infrastructure. In none of these three states is under-population a plausible source of crisis. The very idea is absurd.

In other news, conservatives are worried that Florida might not be killing enough manatees, too few of Washington's forests are currently on fire, and there aren't enough oil lobbyists in Washington. More at 11.

 

[thebeave]

In the news:

Resident of the country's most populous state believes that it is ten years away from being the least populous, because 300,000 people left last year.

In other news:

Conservatism kills brain cells, more at 11.

Heh. Nice try on the burn. But, 2035 is 13 years away, not 10, and Wyoming is the least populous state, not S. Dakota. On top of that, the whole comment was quite obviously hyperbole intended for comic relief (see emoji). Sooooo,

In other news:

Liberalism kills brain cells, more at 11.

In all seriousness though, what energy sources is CA going to use to power the grid for the upcoming surge in EV? Unicorn farts? Rubbing cats backwards? And speaking of residents leaving CA, its only going to get worse if this EV mandate sticks. Not everyone can afford EVs or installing charging facilities in their house. Not to mention the impracticality for those who are regular long distance drivers.

No, man, you're still really bad at math. Even if California were (very implausibly) to continue to lose residents at the exact same rate as last year, in 13 years that would amount to a total population loss of around 3.9 million. And even if every last one of them moved to Texas and nowhere else, ours would still be the most populous state in the Union by a margin of more than a million people. There's a reason why we tend to lead the country on climate regulation, and why Texas and Florida will have to follow suit soon, even if they are dragged into it kicking and screaming. Even the most pugnacious Texans won't be happy if their skies and (scant!) water sources start looking the way California's were starting to in the 70s... You just can't throw tens of millions of people together in a handful of cities without some sort of cohesive plan for handling their waste and continuing to deliver key resources and infrastructure. In none of these three states is under-population a plausible source of crisis. The very idea is absurd.

In other news, conservatives are worried that Florida might not be killing enough manatees, too few of Washington's forests are currently on fire, and there aren't enough oil lobbyists in Washington. More at 11.

*sigh* Dude, I was never claiming to be mathematically accurate regarding Calfornia's population decline to S. Dakota level! It was intended to be an exaggeration all along (see bolded above)! When you were a kid and your mom said, "Politesse, I must have told you a thousand times to clean your room" did you give her a mathematical analysis of why she was wrong? And I don't know why you are going on about Texas and Florida. We were tallking about California.

Its not just cars that are experiencing electric mandates. The process of making housing all electric is on a roll, at least in the South Bay:

Los Altos council votes to mandate all-electric ordinance for new buildings

Mountain View City Council backs natural gas ban for all new homes

San Jose adopts historic natural gas ban — but with a controversial exemption San Jose joins San Francisco, Berkeley and now Oakland with similar bans

I'm sure more city bans are coming...

What's going to happen in the winter? Only electric available for heating, but solar kind of sucks in the winter. WTF? This is going to be an epic fail of biblical proportions.

 

[Politesse]

*sigh* Dude, I was never claiming to be mathematically accurate regarding Calfornia's population decline to S. Dakota level! It was intended to be an exaggeration all along (see bolded above)! When you were a kid and your mom said, "Politesse, I must have told you a thousand times to clean your room" did you give her a mathematical analysis of why she was wrong? And I don't know why you are going on about Texas and Florida. We were tallking about California.

If the room was more or less spotless, your "joke" would make sense. I mentioned Texas and Florida because they are the second and third most populous states, respectively. If we aren't discussing them both in a conversation about climate impact, we most certainly ought to be.

 

[steve_bank]

You can't surf in Wyoming.

 

[steve_bank]

Maybe he's counting on the continued mass exodus from California to keep the electrical grid from overloading? By 2035, we may have the population of South Dakota. Perhaps that explains the soft on crime attitude in this state! The pieces of the puzzle are beginning to come together now...

I have no doubt the goal is to crush the use of private cars in California and force the plebs onto the bus.

A crushing revelation.

Ca is mandating RVs only be sold in the state by a cutoff date. EVs have a lower operating cost and total cost of owneship. In the lomg run regardless of environmental issues EVs are better for consumers.

Oil is a finite resource. It has long been reported Saudi Arabia overestimates the amount of its reserves.

There are people in NYC who have never had a drivers license.

 

[TSwizzle]

You can't surf in Wyoming.

You often times can't surf in San Diego either because of frequent sewage spills, mainly from the Mexican side. But never fear, we (the USA) are paying to have Mexico fix that.

Ca is mandating RVs only be sold in the state by a cutoff date. EVs have a lower operating cost and total cost of owneship. In the lomg run regardless of environmental issues EVs are better for consumers.

I'll be the judge of that. Really, is there any facet of life that you don't want the government to be involved in?

There are people in NYC who have never had a drivers license.

So? Should I move to New York?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*sigh* Dude, I was never claiming to be mathematically accurate regarding Calfornia's population decline to S. Dakota level! It was intended to be an exaggeration all along (see bolded above)! When you were a kid and your mom said, "Politesse, I must have told you a thousand times to clean your room" did you give her a mathematical analysis of why she was wrong? And I don't know why you are going on about Texas and Florida. We were tallking about California.

Its not just cars that are experiencing electric mandates. The process of making housing all electric is on a roll, at least in the South Bay:

Los Altos council votes to mandate all-electric ordinance for new buildings

Mountain View City Council backs natural gas ban for all new homes

San Jose adopts historic natural gas ban — but with a controversial exemption San Jose joins San Francisco, Berkeley and now Oakland with similar bans

I'm sure more city bans are coming...

And this isn't bad. The problem is that we are lagging in the alternate to fossil fuel for the electricity. Granted, it makes sense to go electric pump for heating and cooling in California in lieu of natural gas.

What's going to happen in the winter? Only electric available for heating, but solar kind of sucks in the winter.

Sucks more at night regardless the time of year.

WTF? This is going to be an epic fail of biblical proportions.

Yes and no? Propping up nuclear plants isn't exactly cheap and there needs to be a demand for them before they'll get built. Reducing natural gas usage (and piping that to Europe for sale) would help increase the demand for large scale alternatives for electricity, which at the moment is limited to exclusively nuclear.

In theory, all of this would be better via a comprehensive national energy plan, where our demand for electricity needs to be dealt with via efficiency and green energy sources, primarily water and nuclear. And we aren't building out dams these days. Of course, people would just shit on that too and say it should all be local decisions.

And then of course, America will choke on the price of going nuclear... and some will campaign on global warming being less expensive way to go.

 

[steve_bank]

You can't surf in Wyoming.

You often times can't surf in San Diego either because of frequent sewage spills, mainly from the Mexican side. But never fear, we (the USA) are paying to have Mexico fix that.

Ca is mandating RVs only be sold in the state by a cutoff date. EVs have a lower operating cost and total cost of owneship. In the lomg run regardless of environmental issues EVs are better for consumers.

I'll be the judge of that. Really, is there any facet of life that you don't want the government to be involved in?

There are people in NYC who have never had a drivers license.

So? Should I move to New York?

You would probably choke on the NYC diversity if I read you right. Same with Seattle.

There is a COTUS clause that mandates the govt to do for the common good. Environmental regulations are for the common good.

Unless of course you wnat to overthrow the govt?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; . .

Starting in the 70s I spent most of my adult life in the tech industry. I now first hand that without regulations companies will dump toxic waste down the drain. Before auto emmison regulations the La air was toxix. On a clear day visblity might only be a few miles.

I am not concerned about govt per se. What bothers me is the Christians enforcing religious beliefs on others through laws. It s Christians who presume to intrude on my personal life.

Oil is a finite resource. We see how volitile oil prices can be and what pricess will do when supplies eventually become curtailed. It is in ur national security interests to get off of oil.

 

[TSwizzle]

You would probably choke on the NYC diversity if I read you right. Same with Seattle.

What on earth are you on about?

Unless of course you wnat to overthrow the govt?

What on earth are you on about?

Starting in the 70s I spent most of my adult life in the tech industry. I now first hand that without regulations companies will dump toxic waste down the drain. Before auto emmison regulations the La air was toxix. On a clear day visblity might only be a few miles.

Are you writing a memoir on here?

I am not concerned about govt per se. What bothers me is the Christians enforcing religious beliefs on others through laws. It s Christians who presume to intrude on my personal life.

Is that right?

Oil is a finite resource. We see how volitile oil prices can be and what pricess will do when supplies eventually become curtailed. It is in ur national security interests to get off of oil.

You really have lost the plot Steve.

 

[TSwizzle]

Monbiot is batshit crazy. He wants all farming stopped'

George Monbiot, Guardian columnist, author and environmental activist, believes “we must end our dependence on farming if we are to overcome the realities of climate change”. That is what he told Prime Time presenter, Miriam O’Callaghan, during his recent appearance on the RTÉ 1 show on July 19th, 2022. He said that agriculture is “by far the greatest cause” of habitat destruction, soil loss, extinction, freshwater use and one of the causes of climate “breakdown, bigger than transport” and air and water pollution. “Land use is the biggest issue of all that humans inflict on the planet. All that land, therefore, cannot be used for wild ecosystems,” he said. “While obviously, we need farming, we need to minimise those impacts. We need to act as drastically within that sector as within any other sector to protect the collapse of our life support systems. What that means above all else is getting out of livestock farming. Shutting down animal farming altogether because that has massively disproportional impacts on the living plant. Unless we do that, we have very little chance indeed of preventing this domino effect of systems collapse, which basically makes the planet uninhabitable.”

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An end of times, rapture like-cult.

 

[Jarhyn]

And then there was that time TSwizzle couldn't make out the difference between "animal farming" and "farming".

Is it the difference between animals and plants that is giving you trouble?

Or is it something else?

 

[steve_bank]

You would probably choke on the NYC diversity if I read you right. Same with Seattle.

What on earth are you on about?

Unless of course you wnat to overthrow the govt?

What on earth are you on about?

Starting in the 70s I spent most of my adult life in the tech industry. I now first hand that without regulations companies will dump toxic waste down the drain. Before auto emmison regulations the La air was toxix. On a clear day visblity might only be a few miles.

Are you writing a memoir on here?

I am not concerned about govt per se. What bothers me is the Christians enforcing religious beliefs on others through laws. It s Christians who presume to intrude on my personal life.

Is that right?

Oil is a finite resource. We see how volitile oil prices can be and what pricess will do when supplies eventually become curtailed. It is in ur national security interests to get off of oil.

You really have lost the plot Steve.

Short of a despot like Trump co opting the rule of law that is it. That is it for many of us atheists. It is the Christian political right that feels their faith empowers them to impose their belifs and views on others.

You asked if I wanted govt interfering in my life. To the OP constitutionally environmental regulations are in the interest of the common welfare. Like clean water and clean air and toxin free food.

Constitutional conservative literalists seem to ignore that.

Lower total cost of ownership is one reason why companies are changing to all EV fleets.


Yea, don't you just hate to have to take public transportation. You have to mingle and rub elbows with all sorts of peopel, and some of it can rub off on you right?

 

[TSwizzle]

It is the Christian political right that feels their faith empowers them to impose their belifs and views on others.

Oh the irony.

 

[Jarhyn]

The left feels empowered to defend their health and homes from the reckless behavior of others.

The right feels empowered to defend their reckless behavior over the health and homes of others...

 

[steve_bank]

It is the Christian political right that feels their faith empowers them to impose their belifs and views on others.

Oh the irony.

Ignorant of science and ignorant of American history, and the oppressive history of Chrtianity.

Three strikes and you are out.

It is fine if your god tells you to do or not to do something. It is interfeering in my life if you presume yiur god means me too.

 

[TSwizzle]

Ignorant of science and ignorant of American history, and the oppressive history of Chrtianity.

Three strikes and you are out.

It is fine if your god tells you to do or not to do something. It is interfeering in my life if you presume yiur god means me too.

You’re end of times, rapture cult is interfering with millions of people’s lives.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ignorant of science and ignorant of American history, and the oppressive history of Chrtianity.

Three strikes and you are out.

It is fine if your god tells you to do or not to do something. It is interfeering in my life if you presume yiur god means me too.

You’re end of times, rapture cult is interfering with millions of people’s lives.

Today we discuss spectrums and how most things in life isn't an either/or polarity. For instance, climate change can just make living harder and less pleasent without requiring the end times. And people trying to keep things from getting needlessly hard with a little bit of sacrifice and adaption aren't a fucking cult, but decent planners.

Meanwhile tswizzle in the 19th century.

A: crop yields are poor this year, we'll need to conserve what we can.
Tswizzle: oh, here we go again. It's the end of the world, trying to stop me from gorging on food. Darn cult.

 

[steve_bank]

Ignorant of science and ignorant of American history, and the oppressive history of Chrtianity.

Three strikes and you are out.

It is fine if your god tells you to do or not to do something. It is interfeering in my life if you presume yiur god means me too.

You’re end of times, rapture cult is interfering with millions of people’s lives.

For 2000 yars Chrtians have been preaching end times and the world will end next week. Chrtians are an end time cult.

God destroyed the wicked hamans with a flood.

I have it on good authority wildfires in Ca are god's punishment for homosexuals.

 

[TSwizzle]

For 2000 yars Chrtians have been preaching end times and the world will end next week. Chrtians are an end time cult.

Very similar to your climate apocalypse religion.

God destroyed the wicked hamans with a flood.

I have it on good authority wildfires in Ca are god's punishment for homosexuals.

Nancy said Mother Earth was angry.

Hilarious Steve.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The lowering Danube has uncovered a number of German warships scuttled in WWII. Loaded with explosives.

The issue s with floods in the SW is the hard dry ground from drought does not absorb water.

What is this "ground" of which you speak?

(Typical terrain around here is either loose rock or basically natural cobblestone. Occasionally you find sandy areas--which if natural represent an area of water flow.)

Think about it. If what you experience includes loose rock/cobblestone that evolved over time and water erosion. Doesn't it make sense that what was there first was just solid rock and evidence of erosion or ground.

Actually, it's the other way around--any loose dirt generally either floods away or blows away.

Didn't steve_bank just write ...

The issues with floods in the SW is the hard dry ground from drought does not absorb water.

I just backed steve_bank up describing the process of erosion.

You seem to be in double denial. If there can be wind why cannot there also be baking dry calm heat.

The point is most of the surface isn't soil in the first place, it's rock. Rocks don't absorb water whether they are baked or not.

I realize at one point it probably was just rock, but what I'm saying is that the stuff that could absorb water usually departs unless sufficiently shielded by surface rock. It eroded from soil to cobblestone, not from rock to cobblestone.