On the other hand, politically, not economically, there is a skew with the military subgroup of people in comparison to non-military that would add a nationalistic, pro-war, reich-wing contingent to the pool of educators?
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It's pretty uncontroversial that veterans tend to be more conservative than non-military persons. Because the aggregate statistics of the "military subgroup" are different than the non-military subgroup, there would be a skew. In theory, those things can play out in subtle ways in history class when teaching about, say, the Viet Nam war, the Iraq wars, 9/11, or in things like pledging to the flag in terms of aggregate differences with these educators vs non-military.
And it is even more stupid to let go of the already qulaified teachers because you can’t be bothered to understand their needs, while being simultaneously shortsighted that your new military teachers aren’t going to care about the same things and quit themselves when they find it lacking.
This seems, to me, like the most likely outcome. People like deSantis think of soldiers as dispensable resources, who can be ordered to do anything without complaint and with minimal compensation. But they're not correct about that. If someone is trying to build a civilian life for themselves as a teacher, they are probably going to object to the conditions Florida has laden its teachers with just as much as any other prospective teacher.
I am not so concerned about the ideological views of veterans, these are not as homogenous as you may be imagining,
I do not believe that they are a homogenous group. From personal experience of serving in the military, I know that they are not a homogenous group.
and if these are individuals who are planning to pursue a teaching career over the long term, I wouldn't expect them to be all that different from Florida's normal teacher pool.
I do not expect them to be extremely different from Florida's normal teacher pool, but instead to be different in the aggregate.
I also expect that anything I say regarding veterans to be unpopular and any suggested change in policy to also be unpopular. Still, as in the op post, I suggest that if it is truly efficient and effective to reduce the red tape for veterans and allow certificates later for in-progress work, then there are other non-military sub-groups that ought to be considered as well such as just decent people trying to education degrees/certificates. Call it a Veterans as Educators bill or whatever and throw on an amendment for non-veterans.
If these uncertified teachers show themselves capable, then what would be the point of certification?
Indeed. If I accept that underlying assumption of this legislation that there is something overly bureaucratic about the certification(s) or the process they entail, then ought this way of allowing a way around the bureaucracy apply to non-military subgroup of people who have equal or greater qualifications as the military sub-group?
When I was commissioned I was searching around for a possible job for my soon-to-be wife. Many people wanted to hire me! That was surprising at first but then I realized it was because the local school districts were simply struggling to find teachers to fill positions. I had a job, of course, but it was quite easy for my wife to become employed as she was a teacher by profession.
My experience is half-different and one factor might be that I was enlisted. After completing basic training and AIT in my MOS, returning home to be in the Reserves, employers at all the types of jobs I had tried to get into out of desperation before joining wanted to hire me. The nature of these jobs were not like teachers or very educated jobs, but desperate manual labor jobs.
So I don't think that at its very core this is much different. The Nazi governor of Florida wants us to think it's something special but it's just an attempt to fill vacant positions and make a bit of political hay in the process.
I think I agree with what you are saying. This is classic conservative elitist tactic of making two subgroups of little guys fight each other to advance themselves. To clarify, I am not saying I think the bill ought not be a thing, but instead that, if it is true that certifications are overly bureaucratic, then it ought to apply to everyone, not merely just veterans.
On the other hand, politically, not economically, there is a skew with the military subgroup of people in comparison to non-military that would add a nationalistic, pro-war, reich-wing contingent to the pool of educators?
I agree this is very VERY troubling.
And it is monumentally,
achingly stupid to think the pool of non-military people doesn’t hold equal or better partially-qualified people.
Yes. Logically speaking, a person who truly believes partially qualified people ought to be utilized, it seems to make no sense to ignore the non-military pool of people. I realize mentioning such a thing will be unpopular. I also agree with a couple of others that DeSantis is playing games trying to make groups fight in order to climb the ladder for himself.
If these uncertified teachers show themselves capable, then what would be the point of certification?
Given the low quality of a lot of US high school graduates, ...
Why do you hate Merica?