Jews not writing or pronouncing God's name...

[excreationist]

https://www.jccmb.com/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/1333937/jewish/Writing-G-d.htm

Often Jewish publications will write G‑d without the "o" instead of spelling the word properly. The Torah (Deuteronomy 12:4) prohibits us from erasing, destroying or desecrating the name of G‑d. G‑d has seven names in Hebrew that are considered holy and forbidden to destroy or erase.

In the Torah (start of the OT) God's name was written as YHWH because I think they didn't write down any of the vowels in Hebrew so that copies could be created more cheaply.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1443443/jewish/Why-Dont-Jews-Say-Gds-Name.htm

We Jews have an absolute obsession with avoiding uttering G‑d’s name. (Notice that we don’t even spell it out fully when writing the English word for G‑d. See: Why Don’t You Spell G‑d’s Name?) Actually, we are careful not to pronounce G‑d’s names except when reading the Torah or prayers.

Our caution is founded on an understanding of the third of the Ten Commandments, “You shall not take His name in vain.” Although this verse is classically interpreted as referring to a senseless oath using G‑d’s name, the avoidance of saying G‑d’s name extends to all expressions, except prayer and Torah study.

I think earlier on some people (e.g creators of KJV) thought that the full version of YHWH was "Jehovah".... I think it is possible that the current favourite, "Yahweh", might not be fully correct.

I think the Bible is very special (but mostly not historical) and it is interesting that it includes a kind of "He Who Must Not Be Named" (like Voldemort)

 

[Eldarion Lathria]

The original form is Yahooey" . It's a Nostratic word.

Eldarion Lathria

 

[excreationist]

The original form is Yahooey" . It's a Nostratic word.

Eldarion Lathria

Though

Tetragrammaton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

says "the form Yahweh is now accepted almost universally"

 

[Politesse]

https://www.jccmb.com/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/1333937/jewish/Writing-G-d.htm

Often Jewish publications will write G‑d without the "o" instead of spelling the word properly. The Torah (Deuteronomy 12:4) prohibits us from erasing, destroying or desecrating the name of G‑d. G‑d has seven names in Hebrew that are considered holy and forbidden to destroy or erase.

In the Torah (start of the OT) God's name was written as YHWH because I think they didn't write down any of the vowels in Hebrew so that copies could be created more cheaply.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1443443/jewish/Why-Dont-Jews-Say-Gds-Name.htm

We Jews have an absolute obsession with avoiding uttering G‑d’s name. (Notice that we don’t even spell it out fully when writing the English word for G‑d. See: Why Don’t You Spell G‑d’s Name?) Actually, we are careful not to pronounce G‑d’s names except when reading the Torah or prayers.

Our caution is founded on an understanding of the third of the Ten Commandments, “You shall not take His name in vain.” Although this verse is classically interpreted as referring to a senseless oath using G‑d’s name, the avoidance of saying G‑d’s name extends to all expressions, except prayer and Torah study.

I think earlier on some people (e.g creators of KJV) thought that the full version of YHWH was "Jehovah".... I think it is possible that the current favourite, "Yahweh", might not be fully correct.

I think the Bible is very special (but mostly not historical) and it is interesting that it includes a kind of "He Who Must Not Be Named" (like Voldemort)

It's more "HE who should never be named lightly".

 

[Jarhyn]

Well they believed that uttering the name of God in completion was more like a cheat code than anything else....

Utter the tetragrammaton? God pays attention to you.

Utter the ineffable name? God eats out your ass and gives you a tender reach around.

Better be careful with who you let hear and know the cheat codes!

That said, if you accept simulationism (not a great choice but w/e) this would equate to thinking there were functional console access hacks, assumably exposed for a simulation admin, that humans can access but shouldn't.

 

[steve_bank]

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[excreationist]

Well they believed that uttering the name of God in completion was more like a cheat code than anything else....

Utter the tetragrammaton? God pays attention to you.

Utter the ineffable name? God eats out your ass and gives you a tender reach around.

Better be careful with who you let hear and know the cheat codes!

That said, if you accept simulationism (not a great choice but w/e) this would equate to thinking there were functional console access hacks, assumably exposed for a simulation admin, that humans can access but shouldn't.

I think I'm probably in a simulation and that an intelligent force exists but I think it is non-obvious (see Futurama God quotes)

As far as secret knowledge giving special abilities goes, I think to skeptics this would always be seen as involving coincidence, delusions or hallucinations (or fraud). (so that the simulation stays immersive and fairly indistinguishable from base reality)

Here is my story about when I believed I was in a simulation and weird things happened (I hypnotised myself then was catatonic)

Cheating in the Game of Life - A True Story written in 2008 - The Giraffe Boards

Cheating in the Game of Life - A True Story written in 2008 JohnClay

www.giraffeboards.com

 

[excreationist]

Well they believed that uttering the name of God in completion was more like a cheat code than anything else....

That is related to the plot of the black and white movie "Pi".

Pi (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Early in the film, when Lenny begins talking with Max about his work, he asks if Max is familiar with kabbalah. The numerological interpretation of the Torah and the 216-letter name of God, known as the Shem HaMeforash, are important concepts in traditional Jewish mysticism.

And I think the numbers involved on his computer could be translated into Hebrew letters.

 

[excreationist]

Better be careful with who you let hear and know the cheat codes!

That said, if you accept simulationism (not a great choice but w/e) this would equate to thinking there were functional console access hacks, assumably exposed for a simulation admin, that humans can access but shouldn't.

I'd consider the code in Futurama's Bender's Big Score to be a cheat code - it allows time travel

Machine language time code - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki

theinfosphere.org

Time Code

The Time Code is a sequence of binary numbers which initiates a paradox-correcting timesphere. It is also a Level 87 code. This timesphere allows for one-way travel backwards through time, while simultaneously correcting any paradoxes that might ensue (usually with fatal results). The time code...

futurama.fandom.com

 

[Jarhyn]

Well they believed that uttering the name of God in completion was more like a cheat code than anything else....

That is related to the plot of the black and white movie "Pi".

Pi (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Early in the film, when Lenny begins talking with Max about his work, he asks if Max is familiar with kabbalah. The numerological interpretation of the Torah and the 216-letter name of God, known as the Shem HaMeforash, are important concepts in traditional Jewish mysticism.

And I think the numbers involved on his computer could be translated into Hebrew letters.

See also the Toledot Yeshu, where this is also described, with Yeshu learning the Shem Hameforash, the ineffable name, and then doing all manner of cheeky shit with it.

The movie was about a very old superstition about this cheat code

 

[excreationist]

BTW about a 216 letter/digit name - in base 6 that's 1000....
I think base 6 is the best base (I like how the digits go from 0 to 5 like a star).... you can count to 35 (or "55") using both hands in base 6....
Base 6 is called senary...

Senary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[excreationist]

On the other hand 216 is 6 x 6 x 6.....

That's very interesting - that the apparent holy name is linked to the number of the beast....

 

[excreationist]

That is related to the plot of the black and white movie "Pi".

That excerpt mentioned theta / the golden ratio - that is related to base 6 because the highest digit is a 5 and is related to the pentagram:

The Pentagram

www.mathsisfun.com

Also:

The Golden Ratio in Nature – Overview - Quantum Gravity Research

quantumgravityresearch.org

it appears, notably, in black hole physics: the golden ratio is precisely the point where a black hole’s modified heat changes from positive to negative, and it is part of the equation for the lower bound on black hole entropy. The golden ratio even relates to the loop quantum gravity parameter to black hole entropy. The three formulas respectively can be seen in this graphic:

So I'm talking about examples of the golden ratio that are a lot more impressive than what was mentioned in the movie.

The odd thing is that when I was really delusional about things like this my thoughts were nonsense rather than talking about these connections involving the golden ratio, etc.

My experiences that suggest an intelligent force exists

Note that my metaphysical theories used to be much worse.... it was more arbitrary.... from December 2005: https://frdbarchive.org/viewtopic.php?t=146333 The matrix - the theory of everything... As I get closer to this, sabotage seems to keep on happening... I think I know why... Because my...

iidb.org

From December 2005:

The matrix - the theory of everything...

As I get closer to this, sabotage seems to keep on happening...
I think I know why...
Because my primary mode of thinking is binary (avoid or don't avoid pain)
And the average of the solution would be the centre of the matrix, and the centre of the matrix = dream/indeterminate/fantasy

I'm already getting very close to it...

Basically it is a 3 x 9 x 3 matrix...

The x is value (truth/false, valuable, worthless)

x=0,y=0,z=0 is indeterminate morality, value, magic.

Note I'm getting confused - I had mixed up x with y... when going from intuitive to logical thinking it reverses...
the y is active/passive (seek/avoid) - it works as a neural network. Intuitive/analogue people think using a neural network.

....

I think the matrix is binary = 3x9x3 spots (keep getting mixed up) = 81
And I think that it is 2^81 combinations =

2417851639229258349412352 combinations of concepts/ideas

After this I'm going to x=2, y=1 (this matrix is noisy I think? or just thinking too much using magic logic), z=1....

That is where the machine logic mind rests. It doesn't feel - except during sexual type connections where it crosses over to x=-2 y=-1 z=-1.

Maybe true knowledge of the machine mind is a bad thing since it leads to coming to a single spot which is static and not magical (it's "real"), has value, has no intuition/emotion

so choose your path... x = morality (avoid pain/indeterminate/seek pleasure) y = value (true/interminate/false) z = magic (real/indeterminate/imaginary)

If you don't choose a path goto indeterminate...

 

[HaRaAYaH]

The original form is Yahooey" . It's a Nostratic word.

Eldarion Lathria

Though

Tetragrammaton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

says "the form Yahweh is now accepted almost universally"

Jews NEVER say Yaweh

 

[excreationist]

Jews NEVER say Yaweh

BTW apparently they have used "Adonai" which is Hebrew for Lord.

Adonaist - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

[Masoretes] gave the word YHWH the vowels of Adonai, to remind the reader to say Adonai instead. It is thought by some that later Biblical scholars mistook this vowel substitution for the actual spelling of YHWH and interpreted the name of God as "Jehovah".

 

[HaRaAYaH]

Jews NEVER say Yaweh

BTW apparently they have used "Adonai" which is Hebrew for Lord.

Adonaist - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

[Masoretes] gave the word YHWH the vowels of Adonai, to remind the reader to say Adonai instead. It is thought by some that later Biblical scholars mistook this vowel substitution for the actual spelling of YHWH and interpreted the name of God as "Jehovah".

I know what the word

יְהֹוָֽה
is
Yaweh and Jehovah are not used by Jews.

They sometimes use Hashem (the name) or Ha-hodush-Bora-a-chu. The Holy one blessed be he.

 

[bilby]

Ha-hodush-Bora-a-chu.

Gesundheit!

 

[Swammerdami]

Miscellaneous comments:

(1) Perhaps the earliest reference to the name "Yahweh" comes from 15th-century Egyptian lists:

Yhw (in) the land of the Shasu

Shasu was a place (or ethnic group) to the south or southeast of the Dead Sea; this is at or near Edom, the nation allegedly founded by Esau, Jacob's brother. (Cite: Redford, who cites Giveon's Shosou for the early 18th-dynasty origin of the "lists from Soleb and Amarah".)

(2) It was often thought that knowing the name of a person, god or demon gave power over that entity. This is illustrated in the New Testament when Jesus does an exorcism:

And [Jesus] asked [the demon], What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

(3) In addition to the Torah, uses of "I am that I am" are found in the writings of Shakespeare and of Edward de Vere. (What other writers used this phrase?)

And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

'Tis better to be vile than vile esteemed,
When not to be, receives reproach of being,
And the just pleasure lost, which is so deemed,
Not by our feeling, but by others' seeing.
For why should others' false adulterate eyes
Give salutation to my sportive blood?
Or on my frailties why are frailer spies,
Which in their wills count bad what I think good?
No, I am that I am, and they that level
At my abuses, reckon up their own,
I may be straight though they themselves be bevel;
By their rank thoughts, my deeds must not be shown
Unless this general evil they maintain,
All men are bad and in their badness reign.

Near or far off, well won is still well shot;
And I am I, howe'er I was begot.

What do I fear? Myself? There's none else by.
Richard loves Richard; that is, I am I.

[In the postscript of a letter to Lord Burghley] But I pray, my Lord, leave that course, for I mean not to be your ward nor your child. I serve her Majesty, and I am that I am, and by alliance near to your Lordship, but free, and scorn to be offered that injury to think I am so weak of government as to be ruled by servants, or not able to govern myself. If your Lordship take and follow this course, you deceive yourself, and make me take another course than yet I have not thought of. Wherefore these shall be to desire your Lordship, if that I may make account of your friendship, that you will leave that course as hurtful to us both.

By the way, the 2nd reddened phrase is similar to another piece of Shakespeare text:

No, you unnatural hags!
I will have such revenges on you both
That all the world shall- I will do such things-
What they are yet, I know not; but they shall be
The terrors of the earth! ...

 

[steve_bank]

What will those wild and crazy 'Jews' do next?

 

[Swammerdami]

I just noticed this thread about the Unutterable Name of God and thought to report on a curiosity.

[True Story]
There's a restaurant here in Chiang Mai which has "Toast Yahweh" on the menu. (It's avocado slices on toast.) I was shocked to see it! Would Jews take offense? They certainly wouldn't want to order it audibly.

Over the next few days I asked several Westerners if they'd heard of "Yahweh." There was only one Yes; and it came from a guy who soon started weeping about his relatives killed by Nazis in Belgium. (I was amazed few had even heard of Yahweh; though I'll guess a majority of Infidels have. Over my life I've read about a thousand books and there is much that strikes me as well-known but isn't. OTOH, my own ignorances are huge. For example I hadn't really heard of Kanye West until very recently.)

One day she was short of staff, so the owner took my order herself. I asked her about "Toast Yahweh." She'd had her Chiang Mai restaurant for 14 years but before that operated a restaurant in Honolulu. A regular customer, who called himself "Yahweh," ordered toast with avocado slices regularly; others said "I'll have what he's having;" so she added it to the menu, naming it after the guy.

Why did the guy call himself Yahweh? Some sort of jerk maybe? Obviously he spelled the name for her since most would write "Ya-Way" on hearing it. And in 14 years nobody mentioned to the restaurant owner that Yahweh was the Sacred Unutterable Name of God? (Then again, I knew but didn't tell her.)