Donald the Orange and Family Sued in NY

[starwater]

Looks like a lot of fraud for a long time. And it took until only recently for someone to finally look into this?

And how does one triple the square footage of an apartment and it goes unnoticed? Around these here parts, that's public information available at your county auditor's website.

The orange one is extraordinarily adept at bullying, and intimidation, including from his legal team. It takes an extraordinary person to stand up to that kind of abuse and risk the public shaming from the MAGA crowd that follows. Letitia James is one of those extraordinary individuals. I applaud her for tenacity, bravery and skill.

Agreed, but I still don’t see how a faceless insurance or financial institution looks the other way, particularly in the pre-maga days. They crumbled before Trump?

I don't know the answer to that.

 

[Jarhyn]

Looks like a lot of fraud for a long time. And it took until only recently for someone to finally look into this?

And how does one triple the square footage of an apartment and it goes unnoticed? Around these here parts, that's public information available at your county auditor's website.

The orange one is extraordinarily adept at bullying, and intimidation, including from his legal team. It takes an extraordinary person to stand up to that kind of abuse and risk the public shaming from the MAGA crowd that follows. Letitia James is one of those extraordinary individuals. I applaud her for tenacity, bravery and skill.

Agreed, but I still don’t see how a faceless insurance or financial institution looks the other way, particularly in the pre-maga days. They crumbled before Trump?

I don't know the answer to that.

It's most likely got a lot to do with how corrupt the NY real estate market is. They were all involved in all kinds of shady shit, and fussing too much over one guy's shady shit would inevitably lead to their own shady shit getting more light than they wanted.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

It's most likely got a lot to do with how corrupt the NY real estate market is. They were all involved in all kinds of shady shit, and fussing too much over one guy's shady shit would inevitably lead to their own shady shit getting more light than they wanted.

That's what I was about to say. It's called fraud, money changing hands under the table.

 

[Gun Nut]

Right... cause when a bank is robbed they are on their own to identify and sue the robbers. what a complete maroon

 

[Shadowy Man]

Right... cause when a bank is robbed they are on their own to identify and sue the robbers. what a complete maroon

I guess the idea is that if the banks don't complain about being robbed then the government has no interest in stopping the bank robber. Even if the banks are robbed through fraud and don't necessarily know how much they were robbed.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The robbery occurred against the public, not against the institutions that loaned the money. I'd be willing to wager these institutions just went along with it because they made money on the fraud. If banks made money when they got robbed there would be a lot more robberies. If Orange Face claimed two different values for the same properties for purposes of paying less tax while obtaining favorable loan conditions then Orange Face committed fraud.

 

[Gun Nut]

The robbery occurred against the public, not against the institutions that loaned the money. I'd be willing to wager these institutions just went along with it because they made money on the fraud. If banks made money when they got robbed there would be a lot more robberies. If Orange Face claimed two different values for the same properties for purposes of paying less tax while obtaining favorable loan conditions then Orange Face committed fraud.

This is a good point.. there were two victims... the banks, and those who pay the taxes that criminals don't. If the criminals paid their taxes, there would be less tax burden on the rest of the population.
So my answer to those that say "so what" to this fraud, I say, "so pay my tax bill too (you fucking moroff)".

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Right... cause when a bank is robbed they are on their own to identify and sue the robbers. what a complete maroon

I guess the idea is that if the banks don't complain about being robbed then the government has no interest in stopping the bank robber. Even if the banks are robbed through fraud and don't necessarily know how much they were robbed.

Maybe after Letitia James has managed to stick it Trump, the banks et al defrauded get their chance to sue Trump. Then it will be much harder to play expensive legal delaying games, bullying, non-cooperation, etc.

 

[jab]

The robbery occurred against the public, not against the institutions that loaned the money. I'd be willing to wager these institutions just went along with it because they made money on the fraud. If banks made money when they got robbed there would be a lot more robberies. If Orange Face claimed two different values for the same properties for purposes of paying less tax while obtaining favorable loan conditions then Orange Face committed fraud.

then of course, there's the whole tax fraud element of the case, which Dersh doesn't seem to address--spin, baby, spin. Dersh never was a particularly good person--Claus Von Bulow, anyone; or Harvey Weinstein? Check out the decidely checkered list of his past clients

 

[ZiprHead]

More trouble coming.

Trump lawyers' delays in "pyramid scheme" suit backfire on campaign

A federal judge is done with Trump lawyers' stonewalling.

www.salon.com

A federal lawsuit accusing former President Donald Trump and his family of promoting a pyramid scheme will finally go to trial on Jan. 29, 2024 – at the start of a presidential election year.

The lawsuit, which was anonymously filed in Oct. 2018, alleges that the Trump Corporation promoted a multi-level marketing scheme — or a pyramid scheme — through the company ACN Opportunity, LLC, which operates under the name American Communications Network, Law & Crime reports.

The four plaintiffs claim that Trump should be held liable for lending his and his children Donald Trump Jr, Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump's names to a pyramid scheme that broke state and federal laws around "racketeering and conspiracy to racketeer."

The Trump family falsely endorsed and promoted ACN by insisting that the enterprise "offered a reasonable probability of commercial success" and even embedded advertisements on the show, The Celebrity Apprentice. In exchange, they allegedly received millions of dollars in secret payments.

The former president also personally endorsed the company under the guise of a "renowned entrepreneur and multi-billionaire," the suit alleges.

The lawsuit also says that the Trump family's promotion of ACN encouraged the plaintiffs to invest hundreds of dollars into the company, but they never reaped any benefit from the investment.

The case will finally see a jury roughly six years after its initial filing. It encountered repeated delays after Trump's attempts to dismiss the case and to publicly disclose its plaintiffs.

 

[starwater]

I don't think Trump or the Trump Crime family has ever done anything legal.

 

[ZiprHead]

Letitia James NY State AG accuses Trump and Crime Family of Staggering Fraud, Files a lawsuit, also probably broke federal laws and is criminally liable - sending to DOj.

Over valued assets by Billions

Lied to lenders and insurance companies for at least a decade.

Unfolding......

NYT

Donald Trump argues in wild court filing that New York can't sue the Trump Organization because it doesn't legally exist

'Trump Organization' is branding shorthand, so it can't be sued, the defendants said repeatedly in the lengthy court filing.

www.yahoo.com

Donald Trump, his real-estate company and his three eldest children have filed an extraordinary, nose-thumbing response to the $250 million fraud lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Letitia James in September, stating that "Trump Organization" is branding shorthand — not a legal entity — so it can't be sued.

"To the extent a response is required, Defendant specifically denies the definitions of "Trump Organization" and "Defendants," reads Donald Trump's response to the lawsuit, one of 16 answers filed late Thursday night.

"While the shorthand "Trump Organization" is utilized by Defendants for branding and business purposes, no entity as such exists for legal purposes," Donald Trump's response continues, using language that is repeated throughout his 300-page filing and throughout the similarly-lengthy 15 filings of his fellow defendants.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Donald Trump argues in wild court filing that New York can't sue the Trump Organization because it doesn't legally exist

'Trump Organization' is branding shorthand, so it can't be sued, the defendants said repeatedly in the lengthy court filing.

www.yahoo.com

Donald Trump, his real-estate company and his three eldest children have filed an extraordinary, nose-thumbing response to the $250 million fraud lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Letitia James in September, stating that "Trump Organization" is branding shorthand — not a legal entity — so it can't be sued.

"To the extent a response is required, Defendant specifically denies the definitions of "Trump Organization" and "Defendants," reads Donald Trump's response to the lawsuit, one of 16 answers filed late Thursday night.

"While the shorthand "Trump Organization" is utilized by Defendants for branding and business purposes, no entity as such exists for legal purposes," Donald Trump's response continues, using language that is repeated throughout his 300-page filing and throughout the similarly-lengthy 15 filings of his fellow defendants.

If true is this not an epic own goal as they destroyed the corporate veil and left everyone involved personally liable for their actions?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

The ultimate shell company. The ghost shell that doesn't exist and is thus immune to all lawsuits. I suspect the judge in this case ain't gonna accept that claim. Because if this was accepted, every scam artist will be creating ghost shell companies to avoid lawsuits.

 

[Shadowy Man]

More trouble coming.

Trump lawyers' delays in "pyramid scheme" suit backfire on campaign

A federal judge is done with Trump lawyers' stonewalling.

www.salon.com

A federal lawsuit accusing former President Donald Trump and his family of promoting a pyramid scheme will finally go to trial on Jan. 29, 2024 – at the start of a presidential election year.

The lawsuit, which was anonymously filed in Oct. 2018, alleges that the Trump Corporation promoted a multi-level marketing scheme — or a pyramid scheme — through the company ACN Opportunity, LLC, which operates under the name American Communications Network, Law & Crime reports.

The four plaintiffs claim that Trump should be held liable for lending his and his children Donald Trump Jr, Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump's names to a pyramid scheme that broke state and federal laws around "racketeering and conspiracy to racketeer."

The Trump family falsely endorsed and promoted ACN by insisting that the enterprise "offered a reasonable probability of commercial success" and even embedded advertisements on the show, The Celebrity Apprentice. In exchange, they allegedly received millions of dollars in secret payments.

The former president also personally endorsed the company under the guise of a "renowned entrepreneur and multi-billionaire," the suit alleges.

The lawsuit also says that the Trump family's promotion of ACN encouraged the plaintiffs to invest hundreds of dollars into the company, but they never reaped any benefit from the investment.

The case will finally see a jury roughly six years after its initial filing. It encountered repeated delays after Trump's attempts to dismiss the case and to publicly disclose its plaintiffs.

Perfect. I’m absolutely sure that this time he’ll finally get his comeuppance.

 

[scombrid]

He will face legal consequences only if ALEC, Heartland Institute, Heritage Foundation and the multinational corporations that fund them make it so. He is currently still necessary to keep the base they built around him, racism, xenophobia, and stupid conspiracy theories. Just look at whatever stupid shit people are posting here copied from Daily Fail, Sputnik, Daily Wire, Townhall,… You see those turn on him and maybe the GOP and the megacorps will stop running blocker for him.

 

[barbos]

Listening to Thom Hartman, Trump valued Mar-a-Lardo at 75 million to the taxing authorities but when applying for loans against the property he valued it at 750 million.

What a country!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Listening to Thom Hartman, Trump valued Mar-a-Lardo at 75 million to the taxing authorities but when applying for loans against the property he valued it at 750 million.

What a country!

Yeah, it is quite acceptable for rich people to overvalue their property here and undervalue it there. It isn't nearly as widespread a problem is Russia, because only a few people own property.

 

[barbos]

Listening to Thom Hartman, Trump valued Mar-a-Lardo at 75 million to the taxing authorities but when applying for loans against the property he valued it at 750 million.

What a country!

Yeah, it is quite acceptable for rich people to overvalue their property here and undervalue it there. It isn't nearly as widespread a problem is Russia, because only a few people own property.

Rich people are allowed to lie to IRS and banks?
What a country!

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Russia, oligarchs, world's richest thieves. Do they pay taxes on their stolen money?