Public schools aren't teaching Critical Race Theory.

[Politesse]

If it's really true that CRT is not being taught to anyone under the age of 18 in this country, I wholeheartedly object to that. There should be no topics off the table for a junior or senior classroom, especially not key concepts that are critical to understanding the main political debates of our era.

CRT is to deal with complicated legal sides of things. There isn't enough time in the year to touch this in school. There is time to touch the issues of race in the US, but CRT is well in advance. Kind of like how Calculus is fine, but Differential Equations or Linear Algebra... could be a stretch.

It's not so complicated that a sixteen year old couldn't handle a basic definition thereof, or a summary of the history of this debate. At least, it shouldn't be, if they have received some kind of history instruction up until that point. I realize this no guarantee under our current system, but that is nothing to aspire to. I would disapprove of laws banning the discussion of differential equations, likewise. Just because you can't balance one as such doesn't mean you should be purposefully kept in the dark as to what they are or what practical problems they can resolve. I never took advanced algebra either, but that's a very different thing than being legally disallowed from knowing what it is.

 

[Gospel]

I was getting taught CRT in school since Kindergarten. Ya know, getting suspended for things other students got warnings for. Getting lower grades than students I was helping in class. Getting taught that Cristopher Columbus discovered America and native Americans weren't real Americans. I guess I should be happy it's finally being outlawed from a southern state's school districts.

 

[laughing dog]

I was getting taught CRT in school since Kindergarten. Ya know, getting suspended for things other students got warnings for. Getting lower grades than students I was helping in class. Getting taught that Cristopher Columbus discovered America and native Americans weren't real Americans. I guess I should be happy it's finally being outlawed from a southern state's school districts.

I think your observation is an excellent commentary on the debate. But was it inspired by Marxists?

 

[Gospel]

I was getting taught CRT in school since Kindergarten. Ya know, getting suspended for things other students got warnings for. Getting lower grades than students I was helping in class. Getting taught that Cristopher Columbus discovered America and native Americans weren't real Americans. I guess I should be happy it's finally being outlawed from a southern state's school districts.

I think your observation is an excellent commentary on the debate. But was it inspired by Marxists?

If Marxists believe in keeping our law's color , cultural & economical vision 20/20 while blind to all three in its execution yes; If not, no.

 

[Gospel]

The school also taught me that Rosa Parks was sitting in the whites only section of the bus when in fact she was sitting in the blacks section and the white section ran out of space. That's when some lazy white passenger thought sitting in the nigger section was better than standing up.

 

[Metaphor]

I never took advanced algebra either, but that's a very different thing than being legally disallowed from knowing what it is.

No. You have never been "legally disallowed" from knowing what CRT is, nor has any student, anywhere, ever. CRT is not a forbidden religion punishable by execution from the State, with CRT-hiding spaces built into houses across the country. It's a religion that this school board has decided isn't going to be taught to its students by its teachers.

 

[Politesse]

I was getting taught CRT in school since Kindergarten. Ya know, getting suspended for things other students got warnings for. Getting lower grades than students I was helping in class. Getting taught that Cristopher Columbus discovered America and native Americans weren't real Americans. I guess I should be happy it's finally being outlawed from a southern state's school districts.

Just having those things happen to you isn't necessarily teaching any critical theory. Plenty of people suffer, and never lern anything about the causes of their suffering. But if those experiences led you to ask why those things happen, and you were unsatisfied with simplistic answers like "some people are just bad people", then you were on the path to discovering the central insights of critical theories of race and racism, whether or not you called it CRT. I don't really see why people think this theory set is so complicated. It's not simple, true, but the basic concept of institutional racism shouldn't be impossible for any adult to grasp. Especially since, as you observe, we witness the effects of institutional racism every day.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think a better question is why anyone wouldn't think banning a subject is a form of bigotry.

big·ot·ry
[ˈbɪɡətri]
NOUN

obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group:

But, of course, no K-12 school teaches it, so what's the problem?

The problem is the same thing we see now with red states an abortion--the law as written is not the same as the law as implemented.

Saying it's just about prohibiting teaching of CRT doesn't make it so. When you're prosecuted for teaching something not whitewashed it you are still ruined even if it wasn't really CRT.

 

[Metaphor]

I think a better question is why anyone wouldn't think banning a subject is a form of bigotry.

big·ot·ry
[ˈbɪɡətri]
NOUN

obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group:

But, of course, no K-12 school teaches it, so what's the problem?

The problem is the same thing we see now with red states an abortion--the law as written is not the same as the law as implemented.

Saying it's just about prohibiting teaching of CRT doesn't make it so. When you're prosecuted for teaching something not whitewashed it you are still ruined even if it wasn't really CRT.

Yeah, I've now asked more than once.

First, no law was made. This was a school board.

Second, if CRT was not being taught, and the school board resolution bans it from being taught, what's the problem?

Third, if the school board resolution bans something else, what is it banning? You claim it will mean teaching has to be 'whitewashed' but you haven't explained what the resolution says or how it will do that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I was getting taught CRT in school since Kindergarten. Ya know, getting suspended for things other students got warnings for. Getting lower grades than students I was helping in class. Getting taught that Cristopher Columbus discovered America and native Americans weren't real Americans. I guess I should be happy it's finally being outlawed from a southern state's school districts.

Oh, come on now! Native Americans have a qualifier, they can't be real Americans! Real Americans are simply Americans, no modifiers needed!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It's more like saying not everyone is being robbed at the moment (except for those that are) therefore robbery isn't a real problem.

Oh yeah, what about reverse robbery? Why is no one talking about reverse robbery???11!!!111one!11

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think a better question is why anyone wouldn't think banning a subject is a form of bigotry.

big·ot·ry
[ˈbɪɡətri]
NOUN

obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group:

But, of course, no K-12 school teaches it, so what's the problem?

The problem is the same thing we see now with red states an abortion--the law as written is not the same as the law as implemented.

Saying it's just about prohibiting teaching of CRT doesn't make it so. When you're prosecuted for teaching something not whitewashed it you are still ruined even if it wasn't really CRT.

Yeah, I've now asked more than once.

First, no law was made. This was a school board.

Several states have made laws against a non-existent CRT issue!

Second, if CRT was not being taught, and the school board resolution bans it from being taught, what's the problem?

The mania being caused by the GOP and alt-right saying CRT is widely taught and it is a problem.

 

[Metaphor]

Several states have made laws against a non-existent CRT issue!

I responded to a specific post (no. 169, made by marc), about a specific school board, making a specific decision.

Second, the state bills/legislation about schools I've seen do not ban CRT, or claim to ban CRT.

 

[Politesse]

It's more like saying not everyone is being robbed at the moment (except for those that are) therefore robbery isn't a real problem.

Oh yeah, what about reverse robbery? Why is no one talking about reverse robbery???11!!!111one!11

Is that when you falsely accuse someone of robbery because they "look like a robber", and then the police rob them blind via civil forfeiture in the process of apprehending them?

 

[Metaphor]

It's more like saying not everyone is being robbed at the moment (except for those that are) therefore robbery isn't a real problem.

Oh yeah, what about reverse robbery? Why is no one talking about reverse robbery???11!!!111one!11

Is that when you falsely accuse someone of robbery because they "look like a robber"?

No. It's an expression of Don2's belief that prejudicial attitudes towards and acts of discrimination against white people either do not exist or do not warrant the term 'racism'.

 

[Politesse]

It's more like saying not everyone is being robbed at the moment (except for those that are) therefore robbery isn't a real problem.

Oh yeah, what about reverse robbery? Why is no one talking about reverse robbery???11!!!111one!11

Is that when you falsely accuse someone of robbery because they "look like a robber"?

No. It's an expression of Don2's belief that prejudicial attitudes towards and acts of discrimination against white people either do not exist or do not warrant the term 'racism'.

Odd that I see you, not Don, saying this.

 

[Gospel]

It's more like saying not everyone is being robbed at the moment (except for those that are) therefore robbery isn't a real problem.

Oh yeah, what about reverse robbery? Why is no one talking about reverse robbery???11!!!111one!11

Is that when you falsely accuse someone of robbery because they "look like a robber"?

No. It's an expression of Don2's belief that prejudicial attitudes towards and acts of discrimination against white people either do not exist or do not warrant the term 'racism'.

Oh there is definitely racism against whites I can tell you that. I'm guilty of it. If I see a pickup truck with the duel confederate flags flying at the end of its cab I immediately think they don't respect black people.

 

[Ford]

CRT is not a forbidden religion punishable by execution from the State, with CRT-hiding spaces built into houses across the country. It's a religion that this school board has decided isn't going to be taught to its students by its teachers.

Oh boy. We've reached the "schools shouldn't be able to teach evolution because it's a religion" stage of the argument.

 

[Metaphor]

It's more like saying not everyone is being robbed at the moment (except for those that are) therefore robbery isn't a real problem.

Oh yeah, what about reverse robbery? Why is no one talking about reverse robbery???11!!!111one!11

Is that when you falsely accuse someone of robbery because they "look like a robber"?

No. It's an expression of Don2's belief that prejudicial attitudes towards and acts of discrimination against white people either do not exist or do not warrant the term 'racism'.

Odd that I see you, not Don, saying this.

I wouldn't call it odd, but if Don meant to say or imply something different with his post, he can say so.

 

[laughing dog]

It's more like saying not everyone is being robbed at the moment (except for those that are) therefore robbery isn't a real problem.

Oh yeah, what about reverse robbery? Why is no one talking about reverse robbery???11!!!111one!11

Is that when you falsely accuse someone of robbery because they "look like a robber"?

No. It's an expression of Don2's belief that prejudicial attitudes towards and acts of discrimination against white people either do not exist or do not warrant the term 'racism'.

Huh?