Climate Change(d)?

[TSwizzle]

Oh noes, we only have nine years to save the world again!!! What utter claptrap. These doomsday fantasies are so stupid.

An end of times rapture like cult.

This obsession with carbon needs to stop.

As the saying goes, "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I reject the idea that there is going to be an apocalypse.

But, yeah sure. One poster on IIDB knows more than scientists who seriously study the impact of carbon and methane etc. on earth's climate.

You present propaganda.

 

[steve_bank]

Oh noes, we only have nine years to save the world again!!! What utter claptrap. These doomsday fantasies are so stupid.

An end of times rapture like cult.

This obsession with carbon needs to stop.

As the saying goes, "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I reject the idea that there is going to be an apocalypse.

But, yeah sure. One poster on IIDB knows more than scientists who seriously study the impact of carbon and methane etc. on earth's climate.

You present propaganda.

Brother Tswizzle, open your heart and let Greta in. She will change and transform your life. The rapture will envelope you like a warm balnket on cold day.

It is never too late to come to Greta Thunberg. All you ahve to do is open your heart and let her in.

 

[TSwizzle]

Oh noes, we only have nine years to save the world again!!! What utter claptrap. These doomsday fantasies are so stupid.

An end of times rapture like cult.

This obsession with carbon needs to stop.

As the saying goes, "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I reject the idea that there is going to be an apocalypse.

But, yeah sure. One poster on IIDB knows more than scientists who seriously study the impact of carbon and methane etc. on earth's climate.

You present propaganda.

Brother Tswizzle, open your heart and let Greta in. She will change and transform your life. The rapture will envelope you like a warm balnket on cold day.

It is never too late to come to Greta Thunberg. All you ahve to do is open your heart and let her in.

Oh Steve, you need to keep up with the times lad. Scoldilock's time has passed. She is no longer relevant.

 

[steve_bank]

Brother TSwizzle, Greta loves you. Let go of your fear and anger. Walk in the spirit of Greta and she will guide you.

 

[bilby]

I reject the idea that there is going to be an apocalypse.

That's nice.

There's not going to be an apocalypse for middle class Americans. But things are going to get a lot shittier than they need to be, even for you.

The apocalyptic stuff will mostly happen to people who are poor, brown, or both, and who live far from the USA.

I am sure that the Pacific Islanders will be gladdened to know that you are doing OK, as they watch their entire nation disappear due to the excessive lifestyles and stupid politics of Californians.

I very much doubt that they will think "Fuck you, you evil, self-centred little cunt with no grasp of the sacrifices others make so that you can live in comfort and privilege". But they probably would, if they knew about your pathetic existence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Oh noes, we only have nine years to save the world again!!! What utter claptrap. These doomsday fantasies are so stupid.

An end of times rapture like cult.

This obsession with carbon needs to stop.

As the saying goes, "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I reject the idea that there is going to be an apocalypse.

Well, it will be slow so perhaps it shouldn't be called an apocalypse. You're being a frog about it, though.

(As in boiling a frog)

 

[TSwizzle]

Brother TSwizzle, Greta loves you. Let go of your fear and anger. Walk in the spirit of Greta and she will guide you.

Steve lad, there is no anger or fear for me to let go of. Your religious tendencies are very obvious.

 

[steve_bank]

Brother TSwizzle, Greta loves you. Let go of your fear and anger. Walk in the spirit of Greta and she will guide you.

Steve lad, there is no anger or fear for me to let go of. Your religious tendencies are very obvious.

Brother TSwizzle, Greta lives forever in the hearts of those of us in the cult.

Your posts are indicative of deep unhappiness and alienation from the rest of humanity. The apocalypse will purge the Earth of unhappiness and the cult will be taken up in the rapture.

You are right, we are a cult. Join us.

As to your objection to the term apoca;ypse we have been through that before. Mostly media hyperbole. Climate scientists develop climate models and chnage the model over time based on how climate s actually changing. The effects are becomming increasingly serious. If you want to deny that then you are quilty of willful ignorance.

For many today the impact of climate change is approaching apaoc;ytpic, or a better word may be existential. If by apaocaptic is meant a sudden total bibacl kind of collapse I doubt any credible scientist is forecasting that.

Here in PNW fishing in the Bering Sea is imprtant. Not just for the many that is made but the cotribution to the global food supply.

A large portion of the snow crab population has dissipated quickly. They are a cold adapted critter, and te Bering sea is warming. Your life depends on the health of the ocean in ways you probably just refuse to think about.

Reports I hear say while we need to work to minimize temperture rise, there is no way to ameliorate the cumming consequences of climate change. The ocean is a vast thermal mass. Even if greenhouse gasses went to zero today climate will not go back to previous patterns.

I watched a report on the Mississippi River. It is so low now cargo traffic is being curtailed. The river is a major transport route for food and goods. Narrow choke points are occurring along the river that limits traffic. Dredging has always been an ongoing struggle, and it is now worse.

Salt water is encroaching up river. The river is a source of drinking water,

Climate Change(d)?

I'm getting the red X on the annual snow total graph from the same location but it is inversely related to temperate and has dropped from an annual average around 180" to 125" over the same time span. This is a rural high elevation location in northern West Virginia that is not influenced by...

iidb.org

While counting snow crabs at sea in 2021, fisheries biologist Erin Fedewa saw that something was deeply amiss.

Fedewa, a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientist, spends three or four months with a team that collects crabs from 376 stations in Alaska's Bering Sea each year. Some of these areas always teem with crabs. Scientists count thousands. But in 2021, thousands dwindled to hundreds.

"The survey last year was a huge red flag for me," she told Mashable.

The harbingers proved right. The population of snow crabs has crashed after hitting record highs somewhat recently, in 2018. Numbers have fallen so low, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, for the first time, canceled the snow crab fishing season this year. The NOAA abundance surveys found the total snow crab population in the eastern Bering Sea dropped from an estimated 11.7 billion in 2018 down to 1.9 billion in 2022 (these surveys are a critical piece, but not the only piece, that NOAA uses to determine long-term population trends). That's a drop of well over 80 percent.

The agency thinks a dramatic episode wiped out billions of the creatures.

"As biologists, all we can point to is some sort of large-scale mortality event," Fedewa said.

Sooner or later climate change will affect everyone.

Here in western Washington we have wild fires in mid November. It has never happened before. I won't bore you with the clmate change behind it.

NY is having a record snow effect snow storm. Warmer lake waters with cold air flowing above.

You sir are a cult of one. Climate denial is a cult if there ever was one. You chant cult like the Hare Krisna's used to walk around chnting their mantra. Are you banging a drum every time you say cult and panhandling?

 

[TSwizzle]

Climate denial

Isn’t a thing.

 

[steve_bank]

Climate denial

Isn’t a thing.

It don't mean a thing if you aint got that swing. All you got to do is sing.

 

[southernhybrid]

Since it's not as obvious in the US, as it is in poor countries, it's understandable that a very small percentage of Americans are climate change denialists. I mean......why would this class of people care about what happens in Africa, for example?

Oh my. The "propaganda" from actual scientists say that climate change is happening today. I think someone here is like my brother in law. Several years ago, he told my husband, "I can't believe in climate change because I have grandchildren". See how that works! If you don't believe something to be true, it isn't. I realize it's hard to accept that our human activity has had a negative impact on the environment and the climate, when it's so much easier to deny, deny, deny. It's sort of like when someone loses an election and they don't want to accept it, so they deny that they lost. Sad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/16/...loods-west-africa.html?searchResultPosition=2

Heavy rains that led to recent deadly floods in Nigeria and neighboring countries were made about 80 times more likely by human caused climate change, scientists said Wednesday.
The floods, which killed more than 600 people in Nigeria and more than 200 in Niger and Chad, were the consequence of an extremely wet rainy season. The scientists, from a loose-knit coalition called World Weather Attribution, also said climate change had made the season, which runs from April to October, 20 percent wetter overall than it would have been in a world without warming.
The findings come as negotiators are meeting in Egypt at the U.N. climate summit, with the issue of “loss and damage” — whether industrialized countries should pay less-developed nations for the effects of climate change — high on the agenda. Nigeria and many other African countries produce relatively little carbon dioxide emissions that contribute to warming yet increasingly suffer from climate-related disasters like floods and heat waves.
“This is a real and present problem, and it’s particularly the poorest countries that are being hit very hard,” said one of the researchers, Maarten van Aalst, director of the Red Cross Red Crescent Climate Center.



“It’s not up to us as scientists to tell negotiators what to do,” said Dr. van Aalst, who is attending the climate talks, known as COP27. But this study and others show that climate disasters “are not something for the future, they’re happening today,” he said. “So we do need those solutions on loss and damage and we need particularly to deliver in those countries where that vulnerability is highest.”

 

[southernhybrid]

Oh wait.....The US is being impacted by climate change more than the rest of the world, or so they say. I'm gifting the next article.

https://wapo.st/3EOcl58

The report’s authors detail how climate-fueled disasters are becoming more costly and more common, and how the science is more clear than ever that rapid cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are needed to slow the profound changes that are underway.
Humans have pushed the climate into ‘unprecedented’ territory, landmark U.N. report finds
The draft report, which probably will be finalized next year after a period of public comment and peer review, finds that in a world that has already warmed 1.1 degrees Celsius (2 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels, the situation in the United States is even more extreme.

“Over the past 50 years, the U.S. has warmed 68 percent faster than the planet as a whole,” the report finds, noting that the change reflects a broader global pattern in which land areas warm faster than the ocean, and higher latitudes warm more rapidly than lower latitudes.

Since 1970, the authors state, the continental United States has experienced 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit of warming, well above the average for the planet.
“The United States — exclusive of Alaska — is warming about two-thirds faster than the planet as a whole,” said Zeke Hausfather, a research scientist at Berkeley Earth.
That shift means significant parts of the country now must grapple with growing threats to safe drinking water, housing security and infrastructure. A hotter atmosphere creates a litany of health hazards, makes farming and fishing more difficult and unpredictable, and imperils key ecosystems.

I do wonder if those who are in denial have ever attended a lecture by an actual scientist who gives careful explanation of the data that has helped draw the conclusion that we are in climate change. I attended one at least 10 or 15 years ago. The scientist had lots of data, including charts that showed the gradual warming of the planet, beginning shortly after the start of the industrial revolution. It's easy to deny if you don't do a lot of your own due diligence or if you only get your information from junk sources.

I read an article last week that mentioned that some parts of California were already running out of water. People needed to have new wells dug, but there was a waiting list of about 6 months and the cost was about 55 to 60 K to build these new wells. I'm glad I don't live in California, although I am concerned that even my area may start to suffer from water shortages eventually. We're not in a drought but rain fall has been below normal over the past couple of months. This might be nothing to be concerned about, at least not yet.

Scientists have documented with increased clarity how human-caused emissions are heating the planet. But Monday’s assessment underscores how those changes are deepening impacts on the health and pocketbooks of average Americans.
John Podesta, senior adviser to President Biden on climate change, said the report “underscores that Americans in every region of the country and every sector of the economy face real and sobering climate impacts.”
The study highlights how the frequency of billion-dollar disasters has now increased from once every four months in the 1980s to once every three weeks in the present. It finds that the United States is experiencing some of the most severe sea-level rise on the planet.
‘They are not slowing down’: The rise of billion-dollar disasters
And it details the ever greater certainty that rainfall and heat extremes are proliferating, as are damaging wildfires and crippling floods.

Oh well. I'm old. It's my grandkids that I'm most concerned about. I know we never realized the negative impact of our habits when we were younger, but we've fucked up the planet royally and it may be too late to change that, considering the extent of our harmful habits. I guess we should have listened to Jimmy Carter when he told us to turn down the heat, along with the solar panels he added to the White House roof, only to be taken down by Reagan. Carter was a man ahead of his times. Too bad his wisdom wasn't appreciated.

 

[TSwizzle]

Since it's not as obvious in the US, as it is in poor countries, it's understandable that a very small percentage of Americans are climate change denialists.

This is just silly. Nobody denies the earth's climate changes.

Oh my. The "propaganda" from actual scientists say that climate change is happening today.

The propaganda has been relentless that we are on the verge of apocalyptic weather, irreversible tipping points and catastrophe for years. None of these predictions have ever materialized. Most of these "actual scientists" are not scientists at all, they are activists promoting an agenda. And scientists never get anything wrong?

 

[bilby]

This is just silly: Nobody denies the earth's climate changes.

FTFY

 

[TSwizzle]

I read an article last week that mentioned that some parts of California were already running out of water.

We have water shortages in California for a number of reasons. Mainly down to a lack of investment in infrastructure and nothing to do with "climate change".

I'm glad I don't live in California,

Me too, it's overcrowded here as it is.

 

[lpetrich]

We have water shortages in California for a number of reasons. Mainly down to a lack of investment in infrastructure and nothing to do with "climate change".

What "lack of investment in infrastructure"? Desalination?

TSwizzle, what do you consider an acceptable endpoint? What happens to the Colorado River and the Aral Sea? The Colorado River no longer reaches the sea much of the time, and the Aral Sea has shrunk by a large fraction, both from irrigation water drawn from them and their tributaries.

 

[steve_bank]

Trying to reason with TSwizzle is like trying to reason with a child.

No amount of logic, facts, or examples will wor

For example.

Climate is changing and it is having serious consequences.

TSwizzle...Yes, but climate is always changing.

But climate is changing rapidly, far more than can be accounted for by natural causes.

TSwizzle...Yea, but climate is always chnaging.

Yes but it is correlated to human activity based on known mainstream science.

TSwizzle...Yea, but climate is always changing.


Just like talking to a kid.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Oh, please. How many kids keep track of the temperature in Santa Monica??

 

[southernhybrid]

Since it's not as obvious in the US, as it is in poor countries, it's understandable that a very small percentage of Americans are climate change denialists.

This is just silly. Nobody denies the earth's climate changes.

Oh my. The "propaganda" from actual scientists say that climate change is happening today.

The propaganda has been relentless that we are on the verge of apocalyptic weather, irreversible tipping points and catastrophe for years. None of these predictions have ever materialized. Most of these "actual scientists" are not scientists at all, they are activists promoting an agenda. And scientists never get anything wrong?

I know I'm probably wasting my time asking you this, but why do you reject the science after so many years of evidence? I can sort of see why some people doubted 10 or 20 years ago, but the evidence of catastrophic changes is now beginning to become very obvious. Perhaps that's an understatement.

Nobody is happy about what's going on. It can be easy to deny things that are difficult to accept. It's just so obvious that human activity has had a negative impact on our habitat, so it's hard to understand why an intelligent person would try to shut out the evidence and claim what is happening is normal. It's true that the climate does change over time, but it doesn't change so quickly unless there's an unusual reason for the change. How do you explain why things are changing so quickly?

And, where in the world do you get the idea that the climate scientists aren't real scientists? Did you read this in some far right propaganda source? Anyway.....I'm not expecting an answer, just wanted to point out how it feels to read some of your posts.

 

[Swammerdami]

I think someone here is like my brother in law. Several years ago, he told my husband, "I can't believe in climate change because I have grandchildren". See how that works! If you don't believe something to be true, it isn't.

If I understand him correctly, I think your brother-in-law's attitude is fine! Remember that for 99% of us there is little or nothing we can do to stop climate change.

The science doesn't interest him. His goals are his own well-being (including his mental health) and the well-being of his family. God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. He gains serenity by ignoring climate change, and shows wisdom by understanding that his trying to solve climate change (or just thinking about it) would not be worth the anguish of contemplating his grandchildren's future.

His attitude is in stark contrast to someone who pretends to be interested in science but in fact is a victim of right-wing memes and an extreme case of the Dunning–Kruger effect.