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2023 House vote for speaker

 
 
 
What I found heart warming is the veterans complaining about not being able to govern. Maybe not encouraging the party of small government might help.
 
Oh, how the turntables.

I've been watching the GOP for a couple decades now, and what always earned my grudging respect was their laser focus. Their unanimity. Their ability to stay "on message" no matter what. Even when the Tea Party came along and upended the establishment, the GOP closed ranks behind their new, more extreme leaders. There was some infighting, but it was set aside pretty quickly.

Meanwhile the term "herding cats" applied to the Democrats. They had the majority of the American people behind their ideas, but couldn't rub two sticks together in order to make a fire. The course was vaguely leftward, but they had no destination and no idea what course to take to get there.

Now that paradigm is all upside down. The GOP is a hot mess, while the Democrats are disciplined and marching in lockstep. In an odd twist, Trump may have been the best thing to ever happen to the Democratic Party.
 
Doing some quick reading this morning, it seems like there were 19 extreme extremist Republicans who didn't vote for McCarthy. Guys like Gaetz. McCarthy is just a run-of-the mill extremist, not extreme enough. McCarthy is making concessions to the extremists in order to get the speakership:
McCarthy’s latest concession would be a significant win for hardline conservatives – after the California Republican had already proposed a five-member threshold, down from current conference rules that require half of the GOP to call for such a vote. But many more moderate members had been concerned about giving in to the far-right on this matter since it could weaken the speakership and cause chaos in the ranks.

In two more concessions, the sources said, he’s also agreed to allow for more members of the Freedom Caucus to serve on the powerful House Rules Committee, which dictates how and whether bills come to the floor, and to vote on a handful of bills that are priorities for the holdouts, including proposing term limits on members and a border security plan.
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In the meantime, Gaetz complained to an architect of the Capitol that McCarthy was already occupying the Speaker's office. It seems like he sent a letter to the wrong people to make a legit complaint. So, it's just for show and political leverage.

None of this is actually good. As usual, the extreme wing of the extreme party is making their speaker look like a weak RINO when really they aren't.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
In the meantime, Gaetz complained to an architect of the Capitol that McCarthy was already occupying the Speaker's office. It seems like he sent a letter to the wrong people to make a legit complaint. So, it's just for show and political leverage.
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Gaetz did this? The same Gaetz that is not yet sworn in to his seat as a rep and who should therefore not use an office? That Gaetz?
 
Rhea said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
In the meantime, Gaetz complained to an architect of the Capitol that McCarthy was already occupying the Speaker's office. It seems like he sent a letter to the wrong people to make a legit complaint. So, it's just for show and political leverage.
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Gaetz did this? The same Gaetz that is not yet sworn in to his seat as a rep and who should therefore not use an office? That Gaetz?
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This is what happens when your political party spends years courting candidates who scream loudest, but have no idea how to govern and don't want to know. I know some people in the business world who love using the word "disruptive." That's great for bringing out a new, innovative product or changing an old way of doing something, but government is not a business.
 
Rhea said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
In the meantime, Gaetz complained to an architect of the Capitol that McCarthy was already occupying the Speaker's office. It seems like he sent a letter to the wrong people to make a legit complaint. So, it's just for show and political leverage.
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Gaetz did this? The same Gaetz that is not yet sworn in to his seat as a rep and who should therefore not use an office? That Gaetz?
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Are they even currently employed with the Federal Government? Or is the sworn in part just a formality for getting work done?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Rhea said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
In the meantime, Gaetz complained to an architect of the Capitol that McCarthy was already occupying the Speaker's office. It seems like he sent a letter to the wrong people to make a legit complaint. So, it's just for show and political leverage.
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Gaetz did this? The same Gaetz that is not yet sworn in to his seat as a rep and who should therefore not use an office? That Gaetz?
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Are they even currently employed with the Federal Government? Or is the sworn in part just a formality for getting work done?
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I'm fairly certain that if they weren't getting paid until seated, there would have been a Speaker selected on the first vote.
 
Office of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives - Votes

The first vote (Jan 03, 2023, 12:28 PM) was a quorum call. Everybody voted "Present" with one exception,  Donald McEachin VA-04, who had died the previous year.

The first vote for Speaker (#2, Jan 03, 2023, 01:39 PM): all 212 Democrats voted for Hakeem Jeffries, and 203 Republicans voted for Kevin McCarthy, including MTG. Then 19 R's who voted against KMC:
  • Andy Biggs: 10: Biggs AZ, Bishop NC, Clyde GA, Crane AZ, Gaetz FL, Good VA, Gosar AZ, Norman SC, Perry PA, Rosendale MT
  • Jim Jordan: 6: Boebert CO, Cloud TX, Luna FL, Miller IL, Ogles TN, Self TX
  • Jim Banks: 1: Brecheen OK
  • Lee Zeldin: 1: Harris MD
  • Byron Donalds: 1: Roy TX

The second vote (#3, Jan 03, 2023, 03:16 PM): all D's for HJ, 203 R's for KMC, all 19 of the previous anti-KMC voters voted for JJ:

Jim Jordan: 19: Biggs AZ, Bishop NC, Boebert CO, Brecheen OK, Cloud TX, Clyde GA, Crane AZ, Gaetz FL, Good VA, Gosar AZ, Harris MD, Luna FL, Miller IL, Norman SC, Ogles TN, Perry PA, Rosendale MT, Roy TX, Self TX

The third vote (#4, Jan 03, 2023, 04:55 PM): all D's for HJ, 202 R's for KMC, one additional anti-KMC voter, making 20:

Jim Jordan: 19: Biggs AZ, Bishop NC, Boebert CO, Brecheen OK, Cloud TX, Clyde GA, Crane AZ, Donalds FL, Gaetz FL, Good VA, Gosar AZ, Harris MD, Luna FL, Miller IL, Norman SC, Ogles TN, Perry PA, Rosendale MT, Roy TX, Self TX

The fourth vote (#5, Jan 04, 2023, 01:12 PM) was the same, except for one previous pro-KMC voter voting "Present": Spartz IL.

Then JJ apparently withdrew himself from consideration and the voting continued the next day.

The fifth vote (#6, Jan 04, 2023, 02:40 PM) was the same as, except with Byron Donalds instead of JJ.

The sixth vote (#7, Jan 04, 2023, 04:19 PM) was the same.

The day's adjournment vote (#8, Jan 04, 2023, 08:21 PM) was 216 - 214:
D: N 212
R: Y 216, N 4

The R's who voted with the D's were Biggs AZ, Boebert CO, Crane AZ, Gaetz FL, four of the anti-KMC R's.
 
What Matt Gaetz and AOC Said About McCarthy Speaker Vote - "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Matt Gaetz wanted to know if Democrats would bail out the would-be Republican speaker. Not a chance, she told him."

Gaetz told Ocasio-Cortez that McCarthy has been telling Republicans that he’ll be able to cut a deal with Democrats to vote present, enabling him to win a majority of those present and voting, according to Ocasio-Cortez. She told Gaetz that wasn’t happening, and also double-checked with Democratic party leadership, confirming there’d be no side deal.

“McCarthy was suggesting he could get Dems to walk away to lower his threshold,” Ocasio-Cortez told The Intercept of her conversation with Gaetz on McCarthy’s failed ploy. “And I fact checked and said absolutely not.”
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McCarthy: Gaetz said ‘I don’t care’ if Jeffries wins Speakership instead of me | The Hill
KMC:
“There’s times we’re going to have to argue with our own members, if they’re looking out for only positions for themselves, not for the country,” McCarthy said. “For the last two months we worked together. As a whole conference, we developed rules that empower all members. But we’re not empowering certain members over others.”

“Last night, I was presented the only way to have 218 votes if I provided certain members with certain positions certain gavels to take over to chair committees, to have certain budgets, and they even came to the position where one Matt Gaetz said ‘I don’t care if we got a plurality, and we elect Hakeem Jeffries,’ and it hurts the new front-line members not to get reelected,” the GOP leader said. “Well, that’s not about America, and I will always fight to put the American people first — not a few individuals that want something for themselves.”
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Back to The Intercept. About this:
McCarthy and Gaetz presented their positions in dueling press conferences Tuesday morning. McCarthy said that Gaetz and his allies had requested plum committee assignments in exchange for supporting his speaker bid. McCarthy also accused Gaetz of telling Republican members that he was willing to elect Jeffries as speaker rather than accede to McCarthy. Gaetz told reporters that he and his allies didn’t trust McCarthy.
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Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz. another McCarthy opponent, also huddled with Ocasio-Cortez in the chamber, where they discussed the possibility of adjourning the House. (Gosar did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)
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Freedom Caucus Wants Kevin McCarthy Hard-Line on Debt Ceiling
Rep. Kevin McCarthy would have to commit to “shut down the government rather than raise the debt ceiling” in order to win the support of his opponents, Rep. Ralph Norman, a Republican from South Carolina, told reporters Wednesday afternoon.

“That’s a non-negotiable item,” said Norman, a leader of the squad objecting to McCarthy, a California Republican, becoming speaker of the House.

A reporter asked Norman if he meant default on the debt, as the debt ceiling and a government shutdown are not directly linked. “That’s why you need to be planning now what agencies — what path you’re gonna take now to trim government. Tell the programs you’re going to get to this number. And you do that before chairs are picked,” he said, referring to the process of choosing and installing House committee chairs.
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Groundhog day 3 voting is about to begin. Almost done with the awful nomination speeches. Donalds is being nominated again.



lol, Dan Bishop was nominating Donalds and goes, "yesterday we could have elected the first black speaker" and the Dems started clapping and chanting "Hakeem."
 
Biggs is the first to break ranks again.

Buck still votes for McCarthy.

Cloud makes it 5 votes for Donalds, so no Speaker on this vote...
 
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