The failure of American public schools to teach children the truth regarding our history

[Bomb#20]

For slavery in America blamr Pope Nicholas V. ...
Portugul exported 11 million slaves to Brazil. Here is the start of the institution of slavery in the New World. ...

Is that a sample of the so-called "the truth regarding our history" that progressives want to be taught in American public schools?

https://americanindian.si.edu/sites/1/files/pdf/seminars-symposia/the-other-slavery-perspective.pdf

"Indigenous slavery long predated the arrival of Europeans in the Americas. As far back as we can peer into pre-Contact monuments, codices, and archaeological evidence as well as the earliest European accounts, we learn about Indigenous Americans enslaving one another."

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Early American colonists did not buy African slaves from the American Indians.

 

[TSwizzle]

Early American colonists did not buy African slaves from the American Indians.

No but plenty African slaves were captured and sold by their fellow Africans to European slave traders. Don’t forget to include that.

 

[Politesse]

Early American colonists did not buy African slaves from the American Indians.

No but plenty African slaves were captured and sold by their fellow Africans to European slave traders. Don’t forget to include that.

I will never understand why conservatives are so convinced that tu quoque accusations are some sort of slam dunk finisher of an argument. Is there some sort of rule that says, if you voted for Bush, your mental development needs to stop at seventh grade?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

If there was no ready market for African slaves, the greedy and evil African kings would not have made a racket out of slave trading.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Early American colonists did not buy African slaves from the American Indians.

No but plenty African slaves were captured and sold by their fellow Africans to European slave traders. Don’t forget to include that.

In American history? Last time I checked, the US had a small footprint in Africa called Liberia... and that is about it.

It seems fucking odd to add a "but" to slavery. Slavery was wrong, we've learned, we supposedly moved on. But people like you won't drop the buts.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Japan officially abolished slavery in 1590 - more than 200 years before the Christian west.

Did not know that. Thanks. But, obviously, that was cast aside in the 20th Century.

It was cast aside in the 16th century. Japan actually abolished slavery in 1871, one of the many reforms of the Meiji restoration.

And Massachusetts banned in the 1780s. There was a desire to ban it at the Convention, but the South wouldn't have and the US could not work without the South. The decision to not ban slavery would act as an anchor on America for about 50 years until the Civil War... and then the fucking South wouldn't get over the fucking war they started. And today... almost 250 years after it was banned in Massachusetts, people are still obfuscating bullshit about slavery. Even when slavery was legal in the Colonies there were thoughts that maybe it shouldn't be.

So this whole, well things were different then argument is just bullshit.

 

[TV and credit cards]

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Early American colonists did not buy African slaves from the American Indians.

I seen this show on PBS about ancestry. Don Cheadle found out his ancestors were owned by American Indians, post emancipation at that as I recall. Could have knocked him over with a feather.

 

[Gun Nut]

Ugh, it is the Christian view that all are children of God which led to abolition. The world did not impose slavery abolition on the Christian West; the Christian West imposed it on the world.

After it promoted, expanded and defended slavery for centuries. An ideology that was to marginalize non-believers for centuries through today.

So the bible is totally fallible.. so much so it needed to be corrected and passages ignored when society's ethics evolved beyond those written by primitive, ignorant people.... or a primitive ignorant god... whichever you prefer.

 

[Gun Nut]

If there was no ready market for African slaves, the greedy and evil African kings would not have made a racket out of slave trading.

Same is true for manufacturers of cigarettes and guns? The onus is on the population to control demand?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

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Early American colonists did not buy African slaves from the American Indians.

I seen this show on PBS about ancestry. Don Cheadle found out his ancestors were owned by American Indians, post emancipation at that as I recall. Could have knocked him over with a feather.

I'm less surprised that that happened than I am there are records proving it.

 

[TomC]

, it is the Christian view that all are children of God which led to abolition. The world did not impose slavery abolition on the Christian West; the Christian West imposed it on the world.

You're kidding yourself.

Christians started adopting secular values a long time ago, at least 18th century. But oppression, genocide, and slavery were very much part of the Christian view for the large majority of Christian history.
It was God-ordained, Scriptures based, and pervasive.
Tom

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

If there was no ready market for African slaves, the greedy and evil African kings would not have made a racket out of slave trading.

Same is true for manufacturers of cigarettes and guns? The onus is on the population to control demand?

In England, once the Quakers were granted freedom to exist without penalty, the Quaker church circulated a petition demand slavery be made illegal in England. They managed to get 1 million signatures. Ans so banning slavery in England gained many supporters for this project and slavery was indeed banned. One can control demand. If one is civilized and intellgent.

 

[thebeave]

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Early American colonists did not buy African slaves from the American Indians.

I seen this show on PBS about ancestry. Don Cheadle found out his ancestors were owned by American Indians, post emancipation at that as I recall. Could have knocked him over with a feather.

I see what you did there.

 

[TomC]

In England, once the Quakers were granted freedom to exist without penalty, the Quaker church circulated a petition demand slavery be made illegal in England. They managed to get 1 million signatures. Ans so banning slavery in England gained many supporters for this project and slavery was indeed banned. One can control demand. If one is civilized and intellgent.

I'm pretty sure the Insurrection of 1776 would have failed had protecting slavery from British abolitionists not been an issue.

Had even one colony allowed British access it would probably just be a footnote in history.
Tom

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

In 1776, the thorny issue of slavery was officially put off for 40 years. The British had not yet banned slavery. That would happen until the earl y 1830's. One big issue was the problem of expanding slavery in U.S. territories and new states.

 

[TomC]

In 1776, the thorny issue of slavery was officially put off for 40 years. The British had not yet banned slavery.

You're kidding yourself.
The insurrectionists didn't officially put it off for 40 years. They officially decided it was a non-issue.

The British hadn't yet banned it, but that was obviously coming. The abolitionists were strong and growing. Had the Founding Insurrectionists not protected slavery as an institution they wouldn't have achieved their goals, which was protecting their own wealth and power.

I wonder. Had the Declaration of Independence been the subject of a popular referendum, would it have won? I honestly don't think so.

But History is written by the Victors.
Tom

 

[Bomb#20]

Early American colonists did not buy African slaves from the American Indians.

Early American colonists who bought slaves from the American Indians bought American Indian slaves. Slavers prey on the ethnic groups they have access to, and American Indians did not have ocean-going vessels. In 1835 several hundred Maori stole a British ship, sailed it to another Polynesian island, murdered 20% of the local population, and enslaved the other 80%. But if slavers who were American Indians had had ocean-going vessels, they'd probably still have just gone on enslaving only other tribes of American Indians -- presumably American Indians were too moral to go kidnap Africans.

 

[Bomb#20]

Ugh, why was it the Christan West and no where else where slavery was deemed wrong? Christiany allowed the argument against slavery. No other religion or society had that.

I'd comment on goalpost shift, but instead I'll say;

The Incas
Cyrus the Great of Achaemenid Persia (made arguments, but failed so still applies)
Mauryan emperor Ashoka from India (made arguments, but failed so still applies)
Indigenous Australians
The Essenees (not Christian but Jewish so I'm sure you'll do more goalpost sifting)
Pretty certain Spartacus had a few things to say about slavery as well.

People have known since ancient times that slavery is wrong. Aristotle wrote a defense of it -- why would he have bothered if nobody was challenging it? The Spartans conquered the Messenians in a war and then kept their descendants as slaves for four hundred years. And each year they ritually declared war on the Messenians. They were pretending the system was about war and not about exploitation. If you don't know what you're doing is wrong, what's your motive to lie about it?

 

[Politesse]

Outlawing slavery is a measure only necessary if you allowed it in the first place. Not all cultures have condoned this practice in the past or the present.