Mississippi Passes "More Dead Kids Please" bill. Texas responds w/ "hold my beer"

[TomC]

in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.

Yeah, you and I both rode dinosaurs to school everyday. In the snow.
Uphill both directions.

I'm pointing out that the current reality is very different from the olden days.

Too many kids know about stuff, and talk amongst their friends, to think that pretending it's still 1975 is going to work.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.

Yeah, you and I both rode dinosaurs to school everyday. In the snow.
Uphill both directions.

I'm pointing out that the current reality is very different from the olden days.

Too many kids know about stuff, and talk amongst their friends, to think that pretending it's still 1975 is going to work.
Tom

Not to mention your porn was like, unrealistic pictures of people whacking big titty stick people with sticks and then usually they get a bit "smudged" from there on the cave wall.

Porn is not an effective education in sexual safety or responsibility.

I would take bets on the percentage of anal hernias that come in because someone doesn't know how to stick in a buttplug, vs all other anal fissure types.

I would be willing to put even money that no less than 90% of anal injuries happen because of improper preparation, lubrication, and use of force.

People: humans, kids, young adults, older adults, men, women, eunuchs, intersexuals, will stick things in their bums, and so many will injure themselves the first time they do it, maybe the second and third time too, because nobody ever educated them on how not to injure themselves.

It doesn't matter how much you tell them not to shove things in their asses, many, if not most people will at some point discover that some people have a lot of fun putting things in their asses, and they will put something in their ass.

It is inevitable.

The only people who would object to that in my mind are either idiots who have injured themselves putting things in their asses and think that you can prevent someone under the age of 25 from doing something by telling them not to, or idiots who have put things in their ass and injured themselves, and who want to watch other people fall in the same trap so as to not feel so shitty about their butthurt.

Seriously, though, all it takes is education, and nothing particularly graphic:

If you are going to put something in your butt: get everything really clean. Inside and out. Go ahead and go, hope in the shower, and then you're gonna be all over it anyway so, don't be afraid to scrub with your fingers. Soap can hurt, don't put soap directly on any hole that goes to the inside of you.

Put down a towel or two. Be practical, this can get messy, it's your ass after all.

Use lube. No, more lube than that. Now use a bit more. Yes, I know, its getting on the towel a bit that's why you have the towel. Worry about saving money on lube later, worry about injuring yourself, first.

Use an "appropriately shaped objects of appropriate materials": nothing with an acute or parallel base edge profile, absolutely nothing that will break, melt, splinter, or abrade.

Go slow. If things start to hurt or tense up, STOP, wait, and go slower. Rather than force past tension, relax. And by relax, 'relax as if you are about to take a shit'.

That's about it.

Given the fact that most people will put something in their ass at some point, even if they promptly discover they do not really have the organs to enjoy the feeling of it in those places, I think it's a valuable piece of education to have.

Oh, and don't use silicone lube with silicone penetrators.

 

[Bomb#20]

I don't know, maybe because being trans would make her one of the cool kids, or because she perceives that boys get treated better than girls, or because she's a depressed alienated teenager and she latched onto it when somebody suggested she might really a boy, or because she's a lesbian and heard that means she has a male brain, or any number of other possibilities. The point is, "The social acceptance of homosexuality doesn't give me the slightest desire to have sex with another man. The social acceptance of transgenderism doesn't give me the slightest desire to be a woman." is a weak argument -- people are all different and they might not think like you'd think when you put yourself in their shoes.

You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position. It's just fear.

I'm basically admitting you made a poor argument. I'm basically admitting you drew a conclusion about a whole subpopulation by inspecting one example who wasn't even drawn from that subpopulation. I'm basically admitting your reliance on armchair science is unwarranted. And I'm basically admitting if your position were correct then it would be a surprising anomaly for detransitioners to exist.

 

[Toni]

Indeed. It makes you wonder why some specific right wingers get so worked up about things that any sane person can clearly tell are innocuous

Like teaching captive children about butt plugs?

The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.

There IS a lot of biology, chemistry, physics and geology to learn. Also mathematics, art, music, history, sociology, government, and psychology. And of course English and other languages. Students also need the opportunity to learn basic computer skills plus nutrition/cooking, shop/home repair, sewing, financial literacy and maybe some basic economic principals but in my observation, teachers don’t usually know much about Econ. And of course, basic health, first aid and fitness.

Butt plugs really are not anything that needs to be covered. Believe it or not, a lot of kids are already overwhelmed and embarrassed to have to learn the correct terms for reproductive anatomy. Teachers are not that much better.

 

[Jarhyn]

Indeed. It makes you wonder why some specific right wingers get so worked up about things that any sane person can clearly tell are innocuous

Like teaching captive children about butt plugs?

The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.

There IS a lot of biology, chemistry, physics and geology to learn. Also mathematics, art, music, history, sociology, government, and psychology. And of course English and other languages. Students also need the opportunity to learn basic computer skills plus nutrition/cooking, shop/home repair, sewing, financial literacy and maybe some basic economic principals but in my observation, teachers don’t usually know much about Econ. And of course, basic health, first aid and fitness.

Butt plugs really are not anything that needs to be covered. Believe it or not, a lot of kids are already overwhelmed and embarrassed to have to learn the correct terms for reproductive anatomy. Teachers are not that much better.

So, pretty much everyone is at some point in their life going to put things in their ass. being told at a bare minimum that being clean, using lots of lube, and going slowly, never using force, prevent injuries is, I think, an important part of education.

It needs not be much more than exactly that, maybe some ridiculousness.

I disagree that sex education should be about biology. It should be about making sure young, curios idiots don't hurt themselves or others, first and foremost.

Harm reduction is not achieved by dry science that kids don't care about. It's achieved by honestly answering their questions, anticipating questions that are embarrassing and won't be asked despite people wanting to, and knowing what they are too ignorant to ask about and need to just be flat-out told, all because parents are predictably bad at doing that themselves, because they are afraid they may somehow "groom" their own child.

 

[Toni]

Indeed. It makes you wonder why some specific right wingers get so worked up about things that any sane person can clearly tell are innocuous

Like teaching captive children about butt plugs?

The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.

There IS a lot of biology, chemistry, physics and geology to learn. Also mathematics, art, music, history, sociology, government, and psychology. And of course English and other languages. Students also need the opportunity to learn basic computer skills plus nutrition/cooking, shop/home repair, sewing, financial literacy and maybe some basic economic principals but in my observation, teachers don’t usually know much about Econ. And of course, basic health, first aid and fitness.

Butt plugs really are not anything that needs to be covered. Believe it or not, a lot of kids are already overwhelmed and embarrassed to have to learn the correct terms for reproductive anatomy. Teachers are not that much better.

So, pretty much everyone is at some point in their life going to put things in their ass. being told at a bare minimum that being clean, using lots of lube, and going slowly, never using force, prevent injuries is, I think, an important part of education.

It needs not be much more than exactly that, maybe some ridiculousness.

I disagree that sex education should be about biology. It should be about making sure young, curios idiots don't hurt themselves or others, first and foremost.

Harm reduction is not achieved by dry science that kids don't care about. It's achieved by honestly answering their questions, anticipating questions that are embarrassing and won't be asked despite people wanting to, and knowing what they are too ignorant to ask about and need to just be flat-out told, all because parents are predictably bad at doing that themselves, because they are afraid they may somehow "groom" their own child.

It should be about biology. That is the part so many people have so little basic knowledge or understanding of. Various sexual practices, kinks, etc. really will just make kids extremely uncomfortable, even more than leaning about menstruation does. When kids are very uncomfortable, they really stop taking in or processing more information.

Aside from that, schools teach kids from all kinds of backgrounds and value systems. There is no reason to further provoke pointless debate on what is and is ok for kids to learn about sex toys. Aside from that, there really is just an awful lot of curriculum to cover. If you’re going to cover everything most people will need to learn about anyway, why not talk about Medicare Part A and B and how to choose the best supplement t? Why not talk about how to pick a plan for how to dispose of your corpse after you die? How to evaluate various burial methods bs cremation or donation? How about how to negotiate a divorce and custody battle? How about how to choose a mortgage lender?

Sex toys should come with basic information such as how to clean them appropriately and what kind of lubricant should be used to avoid degrading the product.

 

[ZiprHead]

I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.

You do know there are kids using anal sex to avoid losing their vaginal virginity. It's probably be a good idea to at least teach them how to do it safely.

 

[Jarhyn]

It should be about biology. That is the part so many people have so little basic knowledge or understanding. Various practices of kinks, etc. really will just make kids extremely uncomfortable

Again, kids don't care and won't listen. Some might, and might come away from it with biological functional knowledge but we all know that won't answer the burning questions ANY of them actually has about sex, sexuality, or growing up.

Yes, it is extremely uncomfortable to broach sexual topics, but we owe swallowing our awkwardness as adults and telling people what the need to know to not damage their bodies or the bodies of others, or create new bodies, and what effect all of it is going to have on their body, and knowledge of the strategies and relative normalcy of applying them such that those changes themselves are modified.

That's really the goal, and I think we should face directly towards it.

If I was educating someone about gambling, for example, I wouldn't teach them about probabilities. Maybe in an advanced course?

Rather, I would teach them about going in knowing you will lose your money, and not bringing a means for more, and to not focus on winning because the house always wins, and the enjoyment is in the indirect, hopefully slow process of losing, and that it doesn't matter the probabilities because if you use them enough to win, they're going to give you your money and tell you not to come back.

I will, however, grant most of that can now be supplied by sitting someone in front of the (predictably really uncomfortable) show "Big Mouth" for a few seasons worth of content.

 

[Toni]

I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.

You do know there are kids using anal sex to avoid losing their vaginal virginity. It's probably be a good idea to at least teach them how to do it safely.

With butt plugs? Somehow, I don’t think that’s how most girls are protecting their vaginal virginity. And again, this is definitely something that can be explained with the product packaging.

Yes, I am aware that a lot of kids get their sex information from porn abd that many/most do not realize that the female is supposed to experience pleasure. I’d much rather they ALL learn where a clitoris is and what it is.

Seriously.

 

[Toni]

It should be about biology. That is the part so many people have so little basic knowledge or understanding. Various practices of kinks, etc. really will just make kids extremely uncomfortable

Again, kids don't care and won't listen. Some might, and might come away from it with biological functional knowledge but we all know that won't answer the burning questions ANY of them actually has about sex, sexuality, or growing up.

Yes, it is extremely uncomfortable to broach sexual topics, but we owe swallowing our awkwardness as adults and telling people what the need to know to not damage their bodies or the bodies of others, or create new bodies, and what effect all of it is going to have on their body, and knowledge of the strategies and relative normalcy of applying them such that those changes themselves are modified.

That's really the goal, and I think we should face directly towards it.

If I was educating someone about gambling, for example, I wouldn't teach them about probabilities. Maybe in an advanced course?

Rather, I would teach them about going in knowing you will lose your money, and not bringing a means for more, and to not focus on winning because the house always wins, and the enjoyment is in the indirect, hopefully slow process of losing, and that it doesn't matter the probabilities because if you use them enough to win, they're going to give you your money and tell you not to come back.

I will, however, grant most of that can now be supplied by sitting someone in front of the (predictably really uncomfortable) show "Big Mouth" for a few seasons worth of content.

When is the last time you were in a high school as a student?

I’m a LOT more concerned that kids learn basic biology of how their bodies work than in the mechanics of various types of sex. The mechanics are something best learned in hands on situation. And case by case situation

 

[laughing dog]

You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position.

There’s no objective basis to distinguish a gender atypical child as simply gender non-conforming, e.g., a tomboy, gay/lesbian, or trans. But the immediate assumption of the trans lobby is to “affirm” that the child as trans; even though the likelihood of that being the case is exceedingly small. Please, leave the kids alone.

The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

What's really strange about this is the idea that the kids are captive.
It's the internet era, like it or not. Kids aren't captives any more.

They've got devices that access all kinds of things, including butt plugs. Talking to them frankly about such things, rather than protecting your own ignorance about the modern world, is better for them than protecting your illusions about their innocence.
Tom

Back in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.

You keep harping on "teachers who want to sexualize children". What on earth are you jabbering about?

 

[Oleg]

We're probably beyond the OP now. But it's kinda funny that before there was this knee-jerk denial that sexually explicit and inapproprite materials were in public schools. Now it's what's wrong with butt plugs for kids? Just, wow.

 

[Oleg]

You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position.

There’s no objective basis to distinguish a gender atypical child as simply gender non-conforming, e.g., a tomboy, gay/lesbian, or trans. But the immediate assumption of the trans lobby is to “affirm” that the child as trans; even though the likelihood of that being the case is exceedingly small. Please, leave the kids alone.

The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

What's really strange about this is the idea that the kids are captive.
It's the internet era, like it or not. Kids aren't captives any more.

They've got devices that access all kinds of things, including butt plugs. Talking to them frankly about such things, rather than protecting your own ignorance about the modern world, is better for them than protecting your illusions about their innocence.
Tom

Back in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.

You keep harping on "teachers who want to sexualize children". What on earth are you jabbering about?

There are adults in this every thread who want to "teach" kids about butt plugs.

 

[Jarhyn]

It should be about biology. That is the part so many people have so little basic knowledge or understanding. Various practices of kinks, etc. really will just make kids extremely uncomfortable

Again, kids don't care and won't listen. Some might, and might come away from it with biological functional knowledge but we all know that won't answer the burning questions ANY of them actually has about sex, sexuality, or growing up.

Yes, it is extremely uncomfortable to broach sexual topics, but we owe swallowing our awkwardness as adults and telling people what the need to know to not damage their bodies or the bodies of others, or create new bodies, and what effect all of it is going to have on their body, and knowledge of the strategies and relative normalcy of applying them such that those changes themselves are modified.

That's really the goal, and I think we should face directly towards it.

If I was educating someone about gambling, for example, I wouldn't teach them about probabilities. Maybe in an advanced course?

Rather, I would teach them about going in knowing you will lose your money, and not bringing a means for more, and to not focus on winning because the house always wins, and the enjoyment is in the indirect, hopefully slow process of losing, and that it doesn't matter the probabilities because if you use them enough to win, they're going to give you your money and tell you not to come back.

I will, however, grant most of that can now be supplied by sitting someone in front of the (predictably really uncomfortable) show "Big Mouth" for a few seasons worth of content.

When is the last time you were in a high school as a student?

I’m a LOT more concerned that kids learn basic biology of how their bodies work than in the mechanics of various types of sex. The mechanics are something best learned in hands on situation. And case by case situation

You are unfortunately making a step to speak past me here.

I'm not talking about learning the mechanics. I'm talking about spending maybe ten minutes across two hours making a few from jokes about people who tear their assholes open sticking shit in there, and doctors office outtakes, and then "don't get butthurt: wash, lube, go slow. Never force anything!"

Acknowledge the fact that many people do actually put things in their ass recreationally with some success, and this is a thing that many people enjoy due to the way erogenous zones are distributed.

This should ideally be read in the driest most unexciting tone possible, possibly by someone with an inflection impediment.

Of course that isn't teaching about "buttplugs".

I wouldn't be opposed to handing out a sheet of jargon, either, and a completely generic talk about kinkshaming being really looked down on by mature adults.

 

[laughing dog]

You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position.

There’s no objective basis to distinguish a gender atypical child as simply gender non-conforming, e.g., a tomboy, gay/lesbian, or trans. But the immediate assumption of the trans lobby is to “affirm” that the child as trans; even though the likelihood of that being the case is exceedingly small. Please, leave the kids alone.

The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

What's really strange about this is the idea that the kids are captive.
It's the internet era, like it or not. Kids aren't captives any more.

They've got devices that access all kinds of things, including butt plugs. Talking to them frankly about such things, rather than protecting your own ignorance about the modern world, is better for them than protecting your illusions about their innocence.
Tom

Back in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.

You keep harping on "teachers who want to sexualize children". What on earth are you jabbering about?

There are adults in this every thread who want to "teach" kids about butt plugs.

That is “sexualizing children”?

 

[Oleg]

You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position.

There’s no objective basis to distinguish a gender atypical child as simply gender non-conforming, e.g., a tomboy, gay/lesbian, or trans. But the immediate assumption of the trans lobby is to “affirm” that the child as trans; even though the likelihood of that being the case is exceedingly small. Please, leave the kids alone.

The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

What's really strange about this is the idea that the kids are captive.
It's the internet era, like it or not. Kids aren't captives any more.

They've got devices that access all kinds of things, including butt plugs. Talking to them frankly about such things, rather than protecting your own ignorance about the modern world, is better for them than protecting your illusions about their innocence.
Tom

Back in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.

You keep harping on "teachers who want to sexualize children". What on earth are you jabbering about?

There are adults in this every thread who want to "teach" kids about butt plugs.

That is “sexualizing children”?

That you don't think so is disturbing. The kids don't need to learn about your sexual fetishes, dude.

 

[Toni]

It should be about biology. That is the part so many people have so little basic knowledge or understanding. Various practices of kinks, etc. really will just make kids extremely uncomfortable

Again, kids don't care and won't listen. Some might, and might come away from it with biological functional knowledge but we all know that won't answer the burning questions ANY of them actually has about sex, sexuality, or growing up.

Yes, it is extremely uncomfortable to broach sexual topics, but we owe swallowing our awkwardness as adults and telling people what the need to know to not damage their bodies or the bodies of others, or create new bodies, and what effect all of it is going to have on their body, and knowledge of the strategies and relative normalcy of applying them such that those changes themselves are modified.

That's really the goal, and I think we should face directly towards it.

If I was educating someone about gambling, for example, I wouldn't teach them about probabilities. Maybe in an advanced course?

Rather, I would teach them about going in knowing you will lose your money, and not bringing a means for more, and to not focus on winning because the house always wins, and the enjoyment is in the indirect, hopefully slow process of losing, and that it doesn't matter the probabilities because if you use them enough to win, they're going to give you your money and tell you not to come back.

I will, however, grant most of that can now be supplied by sitting someone in front of the (predictably really uncomfortable) show "Big Mouth" for a few seasons worth of content.

When is the last time you were in a high school as a student?

I’m a LOT more concerned that kids learn basic biology of how their bodies work than in the mechanics of various types of sex. The mechanics are something best learned in hands on situation. And case by case situation

You are unfortunately making a step to speak past me here.

I'm not talking about learning the mechanics. I'm talking about spending maybe ten minutes across two hours making a few from jokes about people who tear their assholes open sticking shit in there, and doctors office outtakes, and then "don't get butthurt: wash, lube, go slow. Never force anything!"

Acknowledge the fact that many people do actually put things in their ass recreationally with some success, and this is a thing that many people enjoy due to the way erogenous zones are distributed.

This should ideally be read in the driest most unexciting tone possible, possibly by someone with an inflection impediment.

Of course that isn't teaching about "buttplugs".

I wouldn't be opposed to handing out a sheet of jargon, either, and a completely generic talk about kinkshaming being really looked down on by mature adults.

I think the question should be answered if it is asked. But more importantly, there should be instructions with the product. Or sell it as a set, with lune also sold separately.

Seriously, if people are unaware that lubrication is needed before inserting anything into any body cavity—and which cavities make their own lubricant, and this is important, even though it seems obvious: how to tell them apart— they really didn’t learn what they needed in biology.

 

[laughing dog]

That you don't think so is disturbing. The kids don't need to learn about your sexual fetishes, dude.

Please stop with your projections. I didn’t even know what a butt plug was until I looked it up.

I am trying to understand your argument. First you argue that protecting team children is grooming them which is simply nonsense.

I could see the topic of butt plugs as legitimate in a sex education class in hs or if a student asked a question about it.

Why are you so afraid of knowledge?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position.

There’s no objective basis to distinguish a gender atypical child as simply gender non-conforming, e.g., a tomboy, gay/lesbian, or trans. But the immediate assumption of the trans lobby is to “affirm” that the child as trans; even though the likelihood of that being the case is exceedingly small. Please, leave the kids alone.

Why not listen to what they say?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

Wut? She’s a Dem who lost the Florida Dem governor primary to Charlie Crist. She was responding to a video put out by DeSantis showing the books removed from public school for pornography. In the very next Tweet she admits this shouldn’t be in public schools.

Though, please let us know why you want children to learn about butt plugs.

As with most things sex the knowledge is harmless. Why do you want them hidden?