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A grade, number one with His buddy satan a close second. Laurel and Hardy being an adaption of the Cosmic Drama.
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Is Satan Happy? How Happy? Extremely Happy?
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A grade, number one with His buddy satan a close second. Laurel and Hardy being an adaption of the Cosmic Drama.
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Aside from his domain being fetid pools of molten brimstone in a realm of perpetual darkness and pain, you mean?
T.G.G. Moogly
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So much spin. That sounds like his winter home. He seems to be able to summer around anywhere he wants.
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Satan, I assume, is a symbol of evil, or so it seems from the Biblical mythology.
Now, I must share a personal story from my childhood, since this thread is kind of silly. My late grandfather was a fairly liberal Catholic, among other things. My poor mom had been caught up in the nutty evangelical Christian mythology, so she used to preach to my granddad, insisting he must be saved or he was going to hell. He would always tell my mom not to worry about him as he and the devil were going to have a lot of fun together, much to the regret of my poor brainwashed mom. It bothered me as a child, but looking back, I now admire my grandfather's ability to be skeptical of my mom's beliefs. Plus he was the most fun grandparent of the bunch.
Or to put it another way....Mark Twain said....."Hell for the company. Heaven for the climate". Who would want to spend eternity with self righteous Christians who enjoy singing praises to their egotistical god all day long? Nope. Satan sounds like a lot more fun, when it comes to mythology. Plus he's able to withstand eternal fire. How amazing is that? He leaves to tempt people whenever he wants. I think he must hang out with Trump a lot if he's really as evil as they say.
Now, I must share a personal story from my childhood, since this thread is kind of silly. My late grandfather was a fairly liberal Catholic, among other things. My poor mom had been caught up in the nutty evangelical Christian mythology, so she used to preach to my granddad, insisting he must be saved or he was going to hell. He would always tell my mom not to worry about him as he and the devil were going to have a lot of fun together, much to the regret of my poor brainwashed mom. It bothered me as a child, but looking back, I now admire my grandfather's ability to be skeptical of my mom's beliefs. Plus he was the most fun grandparent of the bunch.
Or to put it another way....Mark Twain said....."Hell for the company. Heaven for the climate". Who would want to spend eternity with self righteous Christians who enjoy singing praises to their egotistical god all day long? Nope. Satan sounds like a lot more fun, when it comes to mythology. Plus he's able to withstand eternal fire. How amazing is that? He leaves to tempt people whenever he wants. I think he must hang out with Trump a lot if he's really as evil as they say.
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"It us better to rule in Hell then serve in Heaven".
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Pledging your life to enslavement under the lord of evil because some evil things can be fun in context seems about as smart as dating a vampire because some vampires in the movies can be sexy. Like, there's your short term planning and your long term planning, yeah?
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II could be wrong, but that sounds as if you're taking these posts too seriously.
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I think the narrative may have related to an internal Jewish power struggle or a conflict with an outside enemy.
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Another possibility might be that you are taking mine too seriously.
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It's curious how often apologists will engage in formal debates such as "Does God exist?"
I've never seen a debate on lesser subjects such as "Does Satan exist?" or "Is Hell an actual place?"
I've never seen a debate on lesser subjects such as "Does Satan exist?" or "Is Hell an actual place?"
DBT
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The old testament version of god comes across as satanic, or just a bumbler with a vicious temper.
In the name of humor ...
look at the news in the usa ...
yeah, it is happy as all get out. I mean how in the name of no god couldn't it be? He actually has some people believing that biological males competing against biological females is rational. He actually has an army of stupid costing people there lively hood if they even question such notions.
Satan, he understands that intellect has limitations. Limitations that stupid doesn't have.
Think of that being said in a comedy show. It wouldn't be funny if it wasn't, at least, half true.
look at the news in the usa ...
yeah, it is happy as all get out. I mean how in the name of no god couldn't it be? He actually has some people believing that biological males competing against biological females is rational. He actually has an army of stupid costing people there lively hood if they even question such notions.
Satan, he understands that intellect has limitations. Limitations that stupid doesn't have.
Think of that being said in a comedy show. It wouldn't be funny if it wasn't, at least, half true.
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It can be quite difficult to get an atheist to discuss any theological question other than "does God exist"? I get bored with it.
T.G.G. Moogly
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As far as gods go Satan strikes me as the capitalist entrepreneur.
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OT God is clearly a polytheist.
His big schtick is "Don't you dare worship any of those other Gods" - which rather depends on the existence of others, to be not batshit insane.
He also gets quite nervous about people promoting themselves to Gods, so apparently this is a thing that he reckons is achievable.
As is reaching heaven by building tall structures.
Satan may well be God's equal in power and influence, and may equally well not be the only adversary to Jehovah/Yaweh/whoever that has the power to overrule Him, at least locally.
OT God isn't omnipotent, or omnipresent, or even a monotheist.
His big schtick is "Don't you dare worship any of those other Gods" - which rather depends on the existence of others, to be not batshit insane.
He also gets quite nervous about people promoting themselves to Gods, so apparently this is a thing that he reckons is achievable.
As is reaching heaven by building tall structures.
Satan may well be God's equal in power and influence, and may equally well not be the only adversary to Jehovah/Yaweh/whoever that has the power to overrule Him, at least locally.
OT God isn't omnipotent, or omnipresent, or even a monotheist.
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Why would god be embarassed about all the other gods she made?
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We are told that Yahweh is one of the sons of the high God El, a godling given dominion over the tribe of Israel by his sire.
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It's only the patriarchal gods that don't like the other gods. You know how egotistical powerful men can be....Tfg is a good example of one who thinks he's god but doesn't like the other gods, including the one in Florida, who I'm pretty sure said he was Florida's savior or something like that.
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Te general form of what we call capitalism goes back to the earliest known civilizations, more generally called commerce. You make wine we make olive oil, lets make a deal.
You are doing whit Christians do. Adopting and co-opting the biblical narrative to suit thirr views.
Liberté, égalité, fraternité? The French are perpetually on the edge of anarchy.
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Just for fun, I checked the Bible for references to Satan.
SATAN
He is frequently mentioned in the new Testament; and plays a central role in the first two chapters of The Book of Job. But elsewhere in the Old Testament the only (upper-case) references to Satan are 1 Chronicles 21:1, Zechariah 3:1-2, and Psalms 109:6. In most cases, different translations may substitute "a satan" or "an adversary" for "Satan." Of these three mentions, the first isn't self-explanatory: "Satan ... provoked [King] David to [take a census of] Israel."
There is a lower-case "satan" in 2 Samuel 19:22. "And David said: What have I to do with you, ye sons of Sarvia? why are you a satan this day to me?" (In the King James version, "a satan" becomes "adversaries.")
LUCIFER
Lucifer is mentioned only in Isaiah 14:12.
DEVIL
There are many references to "devil" or "devils" but the only capitalized "Devil " is in Revelations (Apocalypse). e.g. "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
BEELZEBUB
This name appears in the synoptic gospels in accusations against Jesus, e.g. "... the Pharisees ... said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."
Outside the Gospels, this alleged chief devil is mentioned only in 2 Kings, as "Baalzebub the god of Ekron." Douay-Rheims renders this as "Beelzebub the god of Accaron."
SATAN
He is frequently mentioned in the new Testament; and plays a central role in the first two chapters of The Book of Job. But elsewhere in the Old Testament the only (upper-case) references to Satan are 1 Chronicles 21:1, Zechariah 3:1-2, and Psalms 109:6. In most cases, different translations may substitute "a satan" or "an adversary" for "Satan." Of these three mentions, the first isn't self-explanatory: "Satan ... provoked [King] David to [take a census of] Israel."
There is a lower-case "satan" in 2 Samuel 19:22. "And David said: What have I to do with you, ye sons of Sarvia? why are you a satan this day to me?" (In the King James version, "a satan" becomes "adversaries.")
LUCIFER
Lucifer is mentioned only in Isaiah 14:12.
DEVIL
There are many references to "devil" or "devils" but the only capitalized "Devil " is in Revelations (Apocalypse). e.g. "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
BEELZEBUB
This name appears in the synoptic gospels in accusations against Jesus, e.g. "... the Pharisees ... said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."
Outside the Gospels, this alleged chief devil is mentioned only in 2 Kings, as "Baalzebub the god of Ekron." Douay-Rheims renders this as "Beelzebub the god of Accaron."