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'Bitcoin Jesus' Visa Application Denied - Business Insider

He rejected US citizenship so that he could avoid paying taxes to the US government and its subsidiaries, but he's now complaining that US authorities won't give him a visa to allow him to visit the US again.
The official reasoning behind Ver's rejection is that he doesn't have sufficient "ties" to his country of residency in the Caribbean and has not demonstrated he has "the ties that will compel [him] to return to your home country after your travel to the United States," according to a picture he tweeted of a letter that appears to be from the embassy.

In short, US officials are worried that Ver might choose to stay in his native country illegally.
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He's rich enough to be easily detached from any one place. Given his wealth, he could invest it in some superconservative investments, returning only 0.1%/year, and still have a huge income. Enough to live out of hotel rooms wherever he goes.
The fiercely libertarian entrepreneur has also appealed for others to follow his lead on citizenship, in June launching a website that helps wealthy people pay their way to citizenship on his new island home of the Federation of St. Kitts and Nevis in the West Indies.
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Presumably to be renamed the Galt Islands.
 
Comeuppance.

And the fact that will probably try to settle back in the US.
 
He is "fiercely libertarian", it pretty much says all that needs to be said about the guy's rationally and judgement, doesn't it?
 
seyorni said:
Why would he want to return? He's got enough money to live anywhere.
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He wants to return so he can speak at conferences to let the audience know how cool it is to renounce your citizenship, but it just isn't that cool to renounce your citizenship if you can no longer freely travel to the country where you are no longer a citizen.
 
Just make a deal with the guy.

He gets in for a cost and every day he stays has a cost.

Obviously the only thing the guy understands is money.
 
untermensche said:
Just make a deal with the guy.

He gets in for a cost and every day he stays has a cost.

Obviously the only thing the guy understands is money.
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That's what Bhutan does. Around $300/day set up through official tour guides which includes food and lodging.
 
Nexus said:
untermensche said:
Just make a deal with the guy.

He gets in for a cost and every day he stays has a cost.

Obviously the only thing the guy understands is money.
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That's what Bhutan does. Around $300/day set up through official tour guides which includes food and lodging.
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While I really do not sympathize with the guy... It looks like there are some resentful bureaucrats playing dog in the manger with the guy. From a realistic point of view on this, if the guy isn't a criminal, why not let him in?
 
arkirk said:
Nexus said:
That's what Bhutan does. Around $300/day set up through official tour guides which includes food and lodging.
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While I really do not sympathize with the guy... It looks like there are some resentful bureaucrats playing dog in the manger with the guy. From a realistic point of view on this, if the guy isn't a criminal, why not let him in?
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He does have a criminal record. Does that count?
 
arkirk said:
Nexus said:
That's what Bhutan does. Around $300/day set up through official tour guides which includes food and lodging.
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While I really do not sympathize with the guy... It looks like there are some resentful bureaucrats playing dog in the manger with the guy. From a realistic point of view on this, if the guy isn't a criminal, why not let him in?
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The same reason we don't let a lot of foreign nationals in. He runs a high risk of staying here and taking all of our jerbs.
 
Most nations don't allow foreign nationals to enter as tourists unless they are confident that they will leave prior to the expiration of their visitor visas; and the tendency is to err on the side of caution - it is a lot easier and cheaper to refuse admission to someone than it is to find, detain and deport them after they have overstayed.

The one time I entered the USA, the INS spent nearly an hour grilling me on whether I intended to work, or to stay more than the three months allowed by my visa, despite the fact that I had told them that I was in transit only, and that I had documentary proof that I had a hotel room booked at the airport Hilton for that one night, and an onward ticket to London for a flight leaving the next day - after a 12 hour flight from Tahiti, and with the prospect of another 10 hour flight in less then 24 hours, all I wanted was a shower, and a bed to sleep in; but they seemed to be concerned I might set up a shoe-shine stall at the airport for a few hours, or do a day's labour on a building site, and steal a few bucks in wages or tips from hard-working US citizens. I get the impression that the INS really don't want to let anyone in on a tourist visa at all, but tourists are worth too much money to debar them altogether, so their political masters won't let them be quite that strict. (And that was before 9-11; I dread to think what getting into the USA is like nowadays).

If you want to retain the freedom to come and go as you please to a nation state, you need to become (or remain) a citizen of that state.
 
bilby said:
Most nations don't allow foreign nationals to enter as tourists unless they are confident that they will leave prior to the expiration of their visitor visas; and the tendency is to err on the side of caution - it is a lot easier and cheaper to refuse admission to someone than it is to find, detain and deport them after they have overstayed.

The one time I entered the USA, the INS spent nearly an hour grilling me on whether I intended to work, or to stay more than the three months allowed by my visa, despite the fact that I had told them that I was in transit only, and that I had documentary proof that I had a hotel room booked at the airport Hilton for that one night, and an onward ticket to London for a flight leaving the next day - after a 12 hour flight from Tahiti, and with the prospect of another 10 hour flight in less then 24 hours, all I wanted was a shower, and a bed to sleep in; but they seemed to be concerned I might set up a shoe-shine stall at the airport for a few hours, or do a day's labour on a building site, and steal a few bucks in wages or tips from hard-working US citizens. I get the impression that the INS really don't want to let anyone in on a tourist visa at all, but tourists are worth too much money to debar them altogether, so their political masters won't let them be quite that strict. (And that was before 9-11; I dread to think what getting into the USA is like nowadays).

If you want to retain the freedom to come and go as you please to a nation state, you need to become (or remain) a citizen of that state.
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Insurgent!
 
bilby said:
The one time I entered the USA, the INS spent nearly an hour grilling me on whether I intended to work, or to stay more than the three months allowed by my visa, despite the fact that I had told them that I was in transit only, and that I had documentary proof that I had a hotel room booked at the airport Hilton for that one night, and an onward ticket to London for a flight leaving the next day - after a 12 hour flight from Tahiti, and with the prospect of another 10 hour flight in less then 24 hours, all I wanted was a shower, and a bed to sleep in;
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You would think that some enterprising airline or travel agency could develop a business plan that routes around the US avoiding all the nonsense. There would be plenty of places in Mexico, central America and the Caribbean. I'm guessing the most traffic needing this service would be Japan/Australia to and from Europe.
 
Nexus said:
bilby said:
The one time I entered the USA, the INS spent nearly an hour grilling me on whether I intended to work, or to stay more than the three months allowed by my visa, despite the fact that I had told them that I was in transit only, and that I had documentary proof that I had a hotel room booked at the airport Hilton for that one night, and an onward ticket to London for a flight leaving the next day - after a 12 hour flight from Tahiti, and with the prospect of another 10 hour flight in less then 24 hours, all I wanted was a shower, and a bed to sleep in;
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You would think that some enterprising airline or travel agency could develop a business plan that routes around the US avoiding all the nonsense. There would be plenty of places in Mexico, central America and the Caribbean. I'm guessing the most traffic needing this service would be Japan/Australia to and from Europe.
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Most commercial air traffic from Australia (even from the East Coast) to Europe goes via Asia; From Japan, they fly over the Arctic.

Qantas and the European national carriers typically fly Australia>Singapore>Europe, Australia>Hong Kong>Europe, or Australia>Bangkok>Europe, with the Asia-Europe leg over northern India, then across the Afghan pan-handle into Russia, and thence west to Europe (they have to go a little further north these days to avoid Ukraine).

There are a number of Middle Eastern carriers now offering a service Australia>Arabia>Europe also; These carriers used to fly over Iraq, Syria and Turkey; but these days they overfly Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the Mediterranean to avoid the war zones.

Trans-Pacific flights are expensive; Not only are the fees for travelling via the USA very high, but also the distance between suitable emergency diversion airfields in the Pacific means they have to carry a heavier fuel reserve, and use aircraft rated for extended operations (for similar reasons, flights from Australia to Arabia usually stay close to the northern edge of the Indian Ocean, and cross southern India, rather than taking a geodesic route across the central part of the Indian Ocean; this gives the option to divert to the various large airports in SE Asia, and reduces the fuel reserve requirements).

Only from New Zealand and the Pacific Islands is it cheaper to get to Europe via the USA than via Asia or over the North Pole.
 
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