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Henrietta Lacks’s family reaches settlement in extracted cell lawsuit

I believe that a more accurate description of this is "A bunch of shark lawyers take a big bite out of some deep pocketed pharmaceutical companies. Some poor black folks helped and probably got a bit of the winnings of the litigation lottery."

Of course, the victims here are the giant pharmaceutical companies. Among the richest and most predatory of U.S. corporations, which puts them in rarified company.
I'm unable to work up a single tear of sympathy.
Tom
You're uninterested in the content of the case?
What is the content? Cells were taken without consent but from tissue already moved from her (as part of her treatment), but that might not have been an issue ethically then. The people who took the cells didn't sell it. Huge gains in science came from the cells, but it wasn't because the cells were a cheat code and just shoved into new treatments. The gains came from studies regarding the cells.

The one piece of content we don't know is if there was a pay out (or magnitude) by the pharma company.
 
Is it normal to pay royalties for these sorts of things?
It certainly wasn't at the time. Face it, had the family not been black, there'd be no settlement. Let alone one that makes this greedy family "a fortune".
Yet another example of black privilege and how insane our society has become on the issue of race.
Had Henrietta Lack not been black, her cells wouldn't have been harvested and used in such a way without her consent or even being informed!
 
Litigation focused on scientific breakthroughs and profits made on cells extracted without Lacks’s consent.

Descendants of Henrietta Lacks, the Black woman whose cells have been central to decades of important scientific breakthroughs, settled litigation with a biotechnology company that had allegedly profited from the cells despite knowing that they were extracted from her without her consent, attorneys for both parties said.

Terms of the litigation, filed against Thermo Fisher Scientific, were not released.

The parties released the same statement:
“Members of the family of Henrietta Lacks and Thermo Fisher have agreed to settle the litigation filed by Henrietta Lacks’ Estate in U.S. District Court in Baltimore. The terms of the agreement will be confidential. The parties are pleased that they were able to find a way to resolve this matter outside of Court and will have no further comment.”

A settlement conference had been scheduled for Monday, according to federal court records.
“Her cells were robbed from her body,” one of the family’s attorneys, Ben Crump, said at a news conference Tuesday morning, what would have been Lacks’s 103rd birthday.
Lacks was only 31 and an East Baltimore mother of five when she was diagnosed with cervical cancer in 1951. While being treated in a segregated ward at Johns Hopkins Hospital, a doctor took a sample of her tumor without her consent and gave it to a research team.

The team soon discovered the cells in her sample had a remarkable ability to grow outside the human body, opening up a universe of medical research. Johns Hopkins shared the “HeLa” cells with other researchers; vaccines for polio to covid-19 were developed with these cells, as were cancer treatments, in vitro fertilization.

Neither Lacks nor her family knew any of this. She died soon after her diagnosis on Oct. 4, 1951.
In 2013, German scientists sequenced Lacks’s genome.
For decades, they struggled to carry on without their mother. One of her daughters, Elsie, who was disabled, was institutionalized and died at 15 years old in 1955. In the 1970s, two decades after Lacks’s death, members of her family started getting strange phone calls from researchers requesting blood samples. Their medical histories were published in research papers without their knowledge. One night, at a dinner party, a guest asked family members if they were related to the source of the famous HeLa cells. That’s how they found out cells from their mother were still alive all over the world.
I hope the family made a fortune from this theft of their mother's property.
I am of two minds of this... One, that consent should be sought before accessing something not normally made publicly available.

Two, that NOBODY ought be able to claim *ownership* over DNA, not even the person whose body it originated from.
I think I disagree here. I haven't finished rolling it around in my head... but I'm pretty sure I want to claim ownership of my DNA, and that nobody else should have any right to claim any part of my DNA ever.
To me, the latter of these represents an important advancement in the ethics surrounding DNA usage, in that it would cut for-profit genetic research off at the knees, since none of its products could be owned any more than the DNA itself.

This is very important to me, because largely the profit motive is the major corruptor of DNA based research, be it humans or soybeans.

Then I would say the same about AI models.

Essentially, I think removing the profit motive -- the ability to claim IP -- is the solution here. At that point the only people working in the space will be those who wish to give the world a gift rather than those who see the world as a gift given wholely to them.
Mmmmmmmm.... Are you under the impression that China just wants to give the world gifts? They are some of the absolute worst violators when it comes to using other people's IP without permission or recompense.
 
What is the content? Cells were taken without consent but from tissue already moved from her (as part of her treatment), but that might not have been an issue ethically then.
It is now. You, currently, may or may not have an absolute right to control of your bodily materials. That has yet to be clearly defined by US law, as the existing case law is extremely chequered and inconsistent. As such, had it not been settled in this fashion but rather showed up in an open courtroom, the resulting ruling could have had considerable implications for all of us. It was always an ethical issue, and even to a lesser degree a legal issue, some people have always objected to the idea of having their bodily fluids taken or what will be done with them. These kinds of concerns predate the medical system itself, as any Victorian grave robber shanty or New England witch bottle can testify. The reason it wasn't a legal issue in this case until a much later date was becase it was being done secretly. Why secretly, I wonder, if you earnestly believe that no one had or would have had ethical objections at the time? And whether the past exploitation of the disadvantaged - racial minorities are important in this discussion but certainly not the only group minoritized by this system - as pharmaceutical test animals is/was a practice deserving of renumeration or not is similarly as yet unresolved. Those, plus the best selling book about Lack's case, are the reasons a lot of people were carefully watching for the outcome of this suit.

Huge gains in science came from the cells, but it wasn't because the cells were a cheat code and just shoved into new treatments. The gains came from studies regarding the cells.
That is not how the actual law works. I can't use someone's data let alone their physical body without their permission just because I think my work is important, or because I think my use of their stolen data makes the results of my study is novel.

The people who took the cells didn't sell it.
And consequently have not been sued nor come to any sort of settlement. This is about a company, Thermo-Fisher, that took those illicitly donated materials and absolutely did resell them for billions of dollars in profit. A company that has now admitted fault, and settled with the litigants. As they should and did. Had they, like Johns Hopkins themselves, passed along charitably to patients what had been charitably donated to them, the Lacks family would have had no prayer of establishing standing for a lawsuit, at least not against Thermo-Fisher.

The one piece of content we don't know is if there was a pay out (or magnitude) by the pharma company.
That's not even the most important part of the story, but presumably "settlement" includes some manner of "pay out" if that is your only priority here.

Making this all about race, and trying to slot it in to some media friendly mythical narrative about lottery sized payouts to druggie welfare queens or what have you, is a disingenuous read to the core. Racial bias and prejudice had a lot to do with why JHU believed stealing samples from Henrietta Lacks was a victimless crime, this is true, and I don't want to discount the importance of our national conversation on institutional racism in medicine. But at the same time, if you think that is the only part of this story worth talking about, I strongly disagree. And if you think whiny Blacks need to just shut the hell up about any samples taken from them before modern consent laws really started to take form - about ten years ago, let's be clear - then we really really disagree. And I don't see how victim blaming would help resolve the underlying issue in any way, as not all potential litigants who have fallen victim to similar schemes have been Black in any case. John Moore certainly wasn't, but I don't know about the others I referenced.
 
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Like the infamous McD coffee lawsuit - there is no law mandating that coffee must be served lukewarm, lest some old woman pours it all over her crotch. And yet, an idiot jury found for the clumsy old woman and gave her millions.
Acthooallie...

There ARE guidelines on appropriate temperatures for coffee to be served at, or more specifically there are guidelines on what constitutes a temperature that is too high to be considered safe. McDonalds had been already been issued warnings over the temperature of their coffee, and had failed to adjust accordingly. Additionally, the woman who was injured ended up with third degree burns due to the temperature of the coffee.

When I first heard about the case, I thought it was dumb that anybody would be awarded a suit for spilling coffee on themselves. But then I actually looked into it, and yeah - this is a case where McDonalds was completely in the wrong and was violating several safety requirements which led to a customer being severely injured.
 
Like the infamous McD coffee lawsuit - there is no law mandating that coffee must be served lukewarm, lest some old woman pours it all over her crotch. And yet, an idiot jury found for the clumsy old woman and gave her millions.
Acthooallie...

There ARE guidelines on appropriate temperatures for coffee to be served at, or more specifically there are guidelines on what constitutes a temperature that is too high to be considered safe. McDonalds had been already been issued warnings over the temperature of their coffee, and had failed to adjust accordingly. Additionally, the woman who was injured ended up with third degree burns due to the temperature of the coffee.

When I first heard about the case, I thought it was dumb that anybody would be awarded a suit for spilling coffee on themselves. But then I actually looked into it, and yeah - this is a case where McDonalds was completely in the wrong and was violating several safety requirements which led to a customer being severely injured.
Why in the fuck is it even necessary to have to say this?! This has been explained over and over and over... here... at this web board. The McDonalds' case was lampooned in an effort to help drive the "need" for litigation reform. The elderly woman messed up... in a parked car. She shouldn't have suffered third degree burns and required skin grafts! And asked only for medical compensation!!!

Said a dozen times here, and Derec still has to trot out the misinformation.
 
I'm not your clerk.
No, but you made specific claims, and it is up to you to back them up.
I'm not the one making completely absurd claims.
Unknown, since you offered no citation.

And I would be shocked anough to drop my coffee
Just don't sue if you scald yourself ...

This is
- specifically about injury lawsuits, not lawsuits that shysters bring race into, like police shootings (it seems impossible to get millions for a shooting deemed justified unless you are black, or at least you have not shown any) or things like getting thrown out of wine tasting for being loud.
- it relies on a survey, not the most sound method
- the survey is from 2009, half a decade before the start of the "Black Lives Matter" era that greatly increased the settlement amounts for blacks suing companies and government entities.

While confidential settlements are by their nature difficult to settle, most forensic economists will tell you straight to your face that they value settlements to black women lower than almost any other group, as they are expected to have a lifetime income lower than almost any other group. Lawyers aren't particularly trying to be "fair" across racial lines, and they generally aren't.
That is a different issue altogether. In a settlement based on lost lifetime income, groups that on average have lower incomes are expected to have lower settlements on average, since the projected damages are smaller. That is very different than settlements based on racial grievance that have become especially egregious in the last decade. Millions for armed robbers shot by police, but only if black, millions for women thrown out of a wine tasting, but only if black, etc. These lawsuits are not based on the actual or projected damages, but on the race of the plaintiffs. I think the Lacks settlement is in this category, esp. given the shyster the family chose to shake the company down.
 
Of course, the victims here are the giant pharmaceutical companies. Among the richest and most predatory of U.S. corporations, which puts them in rarified company.
I'm unable to work up a single tear of sympathy.
The way you feel about pharmaceutical companies is how I feel about the lawsuit industrial complex. At least pharma companies develop drugs that treat diseases and improve lives of billions of people around the globe. Lawyers like Crump and whoever represented Stella just make things more expensive for the many while enriching select few plaintiffs and, of course, themselves. But they don't develop any new product or process that makes anybody's life better. They just steal from many Peters to pay a few Pauls.
 
Like the infamous McD coffee lawsuit - there is no law mandating that coffee must be served lukewarm, lest some old woman pours it all over her crotch. And yet, an idiot jury found for the clumsy old woman and gave her millions.
Acthooallie...

There ARE guidelines on appropriate temperatures for coffee to be served at, or more specifically there are guidelines on what constitutes a temperature that is too high to be considered safe. McDonalds had been already been issued warnings over the temperature of their coffee, and had failed to adjust accordingly. Additionally, the woman who was injured ended up with third degree burns due to the temperature of the coffee.

When I first heard about the case, I thought it was dumb that anybody would be awarded a suit for spilling coffee on themselves. But then I actually looked into it, and yeah - this is a case where McDonalds was completely in the wrong and was violating several safety requirements which led to a customer being severely injured.
Derec's been told all this before.
 
There ARE guidelines on appropriate temperatures for coffee to be served at, or more specifically there are guidelines on what constitutes a temperature that is too high to be considered safe.
[citation needed] about that supposed guideline, that it existed at the time Stella poured hot coffee all over herself, and that the coffee served to her by McD exceeded any guidelines.
McDonalds had been already been issued warnings over the temperature of their coffee, and had failed to adjust accordingly.
[citation needed]
I do not drink regular coffee, only mocha which has milk added and is thus less hot. But I do sometimes get brewed tea at Starbucks, and it is served piping hot. I did not stick a thermometer in (maybe I should run an experiment?) but I am sure that if I were to pour it over my crotch I'd suffer some nasty burns even without having skin of a 70 year old.
Additionally, the woman who was injured ended up with third degree burns due to the temperature of the coffee.
She ended up with third degree burns because she poured hot coffee over her crotch and thighs. Misuse of a product may result in injuries and I do not think a company should be held liable for idiot customers misusing their products and injuring themselves. The idiot customers certainly should not be made millionaires for being clumsy and careless as Stella was. The whole concept of "punitive damages" is perverse and only a result of very powerful trial lawyer lobby in the US.
The whole thing would be different if McD actually caused the injury. If an employee spilled the coffee onto the customer, or if the cup or lid were faulty in some way, McD should be liable for damages and pain and suffering (the plaintiff should still not get punitive damages though - torts are meant to make the plaintiff whole, not make them and their shysters rich!) But that was not what happened here. Stella removed the lid herself while balancing the cup on her thighs and in the process spilled the coffee due to her own negligence.
When I first heard about the case, I thought it was dumb that anybody would be awarded a suit for spilling coffee on themselves.
And you were correct the first time.

But then I actually looked into it, and yeah - this is a case where McDonalds was completely in the wrong and was violating several safety requirements which led to a customer being severely injured.
You need to be careful where you find your information. There are some summaries of the case written by lawyers' associations. Of course they would claim that there is nothing with the US tort system and that the lawsuit was not egregious.
 
Of course, the victims here are the giant pharmaceutical companies. Among the richest and most predatory of U.S. corporations, which puts them in rarified company.
I'm unable to work up a single tear of sympathy.
The way you feel about pharmaceutical companies is how I feel about the lawsuit industrial complex. At least pharma companies develop drugs that treat diseases and improve lives of billions of people around the globe. Lawyers like Crump and whoever represented Stella just make things more expensive for the many while enriching select few plaintiffs and, of course, themselves. But they don't develop any new product or process that makes anybody's life better. They just steal from many Peters to pay a few Pauls.
I feel the same way about the litigation industry as the pharmaceutical industry.
Tom
 
[citation needed] about that supposed guideline, that it existed at the time Stella poured hot coffee all over herself, and that the coffee served to her by McD exceeded any guidelines.
Feel free to Google it.
Not only were there guidelines, but that particular restaurant had been warned by the franchise to stop breaking McDonald's guidelines on coffee temperatures.
Tom
 
Why in the fuck is it even necessary to have to say this?! This has been explained over and over and over... here... at this web board. The McDonalds' case was lampooned in an effort to help drive the "need" for litigation reform.
And there still is need for fundamental reform. Especially the whole concept of punitive damages is perverse.

Just recently some kid in Florida got $800k for allegedly burning herself with a chicken nugget. Reform is still very much needed.
Punitive damages should definitely be axed. I'd also remove jury trials, because juries are too easily swayed by appeals to emotion.
The elderly woman messed up... in a parked car. She shouldn't have suffered third degree burns and required skin grafts! And asked only for medical compensation!!!
She became a millionaire because she injured herself due to her own negligence.
Said a dozen times here, and Derec still has to trot out the misinformation.
What misinformation? Nothing I said was false.
 
Feel free to Google it.
Not only were there guidelines, but that particular restaurant had been warned by the franchise to stop breaking McDonald's guidelines on coffee temperatures.
Tom
If you and Emily are making positive claims, you should back them up.

Maybe the wiki page is a good place to start. In one section it states that McD continued to serve coffee at the same temperature, and that Starbucks is serving its coffee at a similar temperature. Those temperatures are much higher than the temperature Stella's shyster claimed coffee should be served, 60°C (140°F).
 
Feel free to Google it.
Not only were there guidelines, but that particular restaurant had been warned by the franchise to stop breaking McDonald's guidelines on coffee temperatures.
Tom
If you and Emily are making positive claims, you should back them up.
If I cared enough I would.
But I don't.
Tom
 
I was having trouble deciding whether "police shootings" or the McDonalds case were a more egregious derail, but at least the McDonalds case concerned some sort of lawsuit.
 
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Had Henrietta Lack not been black, her cells wouldn't have been harvested and used in such a way without her consent or even being informed!
Very doubtful, given the era. Asking consent to use cell lines was not a common practice.
But had she been white her greedy relatives could not play the race card to shake the company down for millions.
 
In your quite selfish and bigoted opinion.
Ad hominems are not a substitute for arguments.

And I am still waiting for any citations backing up the claims about that location not following any standards or having been warned by the franchise to lower their temperature.
 
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