Evolution Demonstrated In A Laboratory

[Elixir]

Just observing some natural processes in the lab is all it is.

Duh. That process is called evolution.

Works a little like clockwork doesn't it?

Perhaps in your addled mind. It is much more complex than that IRL.

Just need that bit you're waiting for to happen in the lab.

Projection. YOU are clamoring for abiogenesis, nobody else is.

I hope you join us by then.

Who is “us” and why would I ever want to be a joiner?
You seem to have lost all interest in the actual subject of this thread. Does the FACT of evolution threaten your god conditioning? Or is there some more rational reason you keep trying to change the subject of the thread? ( You might want to bring it forward if it exists.)
Oh well.
Your god is now crammed into a tiny gap between what has been done in a lab and what is observed in nature... that’s one pitiful deity.

 

[steve_bank]

Is Learner going to answer my question on abiogenesis?

What was the question again?
I asked you if you could consider hypothetically (or philosophically as you mentioned, discussing in that vein) just pondering on the thought... that if a contained field of energy/could become 'consciously aware of its existence' given that there are no limits of time for having its own 'cosmic' evolving processes, nothing to do with the Biblical God. (I gave it a curious thought some years s back...before I became a BA Christian) You responded anyway only about me having a belief

(I'll have to look back at your question my eye sight is not good with limited screen space on this phone.)

Oh come on Learner, you are bteer tha that. Scifi has explored the quetion of non corporal life form to death. As you do not understd what energy and fields are and mean it is a pointless discussion.


Question:

Lightning strikes a forest and a chemical chain reaction starts, called fire. A self sustaining chemical reaction until fuel is exhausted.

Lightning strikes the early ocean and a checal reaction starts. A self sustaing self replcating chemecal process. Note that exremts usng simulated lightning have produced amino acids.

Is abiogenesis based on known science possible or not?

 

[Elixir]

Is abiogenesis based on known science possible or not?

C’mon Steve. NOTHING is possible without GOD. With GOD, nothing is impossible. (So go ahead and make unfounded, ignorant superstition-based assertions!) It’s really great* having an all-powerful friend, even if it’s imaginary.

* Not all that great apparently. More Iowa Republicans believe Donald Trump speaks truth, than believe that their religious leaders speak truth. Holy fuck!

 

[Learner]

Just observing some natural processes in the lab is all it is.

Duh. That process is called evolution.

I already agree with your short sentence which is indicated in the very post your responding to.

Works a little like clockwork doesn't it?

Perhaps in your addled mind. It is much more complex than that IRL.

I see, but clockwork is a also expressed for complexed of systems. I've also listened to a scientist talk of quantum computers being of immense advantage based on atoms that worked like clocks.

Just need that bit you're waiting for to happen in the lab.

Projection. YOU are clamoring for abiogenesis, nobody else is.

It keeps coming up, more so in questions to me.

I hope you join us by then.

Who is “us” and why would I ever want to be a joiner?

If you weren't able to deduce that logically nevermind. Joinery can be a good hobby.

You seem to have lost all interest in the actual subject of this thread. Does the FACT of evolution threaten your god conditioning?

Not really ... But It would do with abiogenesis done in the lab. FACT is.. even with the current evolution theory.. scientists who are also religious are not yet convinced and are still religious. You know what that implies then, regarding threat?

Or is there some more rational reason you keep trying to change the subject of the thread? ( You might want to bring it forward if it exists.)

Change the subject to God?

Oh well.
Your god is now crammed into a tiny gap between what has been done in a lab and what is observed in nature... that’s one pitiful deity.

Yes well. The limiting aspects or tiny gaps are purely mental ones. Conceivability; if its beyond fathomable to our everyday logical 'human experience' it can't be true etc..

 

[Elixir]

It [abiogenesis] keeps coming up, more so in questions to me.

Only when you manifest your fixation.

Change the subject to God?

Okay. Whatcha got on God?
I mean, other than “Ah beliiiiieve!”?
Nothing.

Conceivability; if its beyond fathomable to our everyday logical 'human experience' it can't be true etc..

Kinda like abiogenesis, if you’re an evolution-denying superstitious type.

You are a living mockery of your own baseless assertions.

Meanwhile, back in this thread, it takes some deep delusion to fail to realize that humans evolved from previous life forms.
Agreed?

 

[Learner]

Is Learner going to answer my question on abiogenesis?

What was the question again?
I asked you if you could consider hypothetically (or philosophically as you mentioned, discussing in that vein) just pondering on the thought... that if a contained field of energy/could become 'consciously aware of its existence' given that there are no limits of time for having its own 'cosmic' evolving processes, nothing to do with the Biblical God. (I gave it a curious thought some years s back...before I became a BA Christian) You responded anyway only about me having a belief

(I'll have to look back at your question my eye sight is not good with limited screen space on this phone.)

Oh come on Learner, you are bteer tha that. Scifi has explored the quetion of non corporal life form to death.

Because organic life consists of inanimate elements, you say they are they same things as rocks? You can make that categorisation of course if that is the focus point you're aiming for. But people notice and differentiate the from living things and dead things. Certainly not as you are technically defining them by elements in the periodic table.

As you do not understd what energy and fields are and mean it is a pointless discussion.

Yeah but are you saying in terms that not everything is made of energy at all, matter is not energy, not even planets, plants and people?

Question:

Lightning strikes a forest and a chemical chain reaction starts, called fire. A self sustaining chemical reaction until fuel is exhausted.

Lightning strikes the early ocean and a checal reaction starts. A self sustaing self replcating chemecal process. Note that exremts usng simulated lightning have produced amino acids.

Is abiogenesis based on known science possible or not?

Abiogenesis... dead matter coming to life well yes of course.

Genesis 3:19 "From dust you came and dust you go. For from it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.

 

[steve_bank]

Learner

Go over to the energy field thread on philosophy fourm and will try and explain it to you.

Nothing is made of energy.

 

[pood]

Genesis 3:19 "From dust you came and dust you go. For from it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.

Well, there you have it — abiogenesis has been solved! By the Bible!

 

[Elixir]

Genesis 3:19 "From dust you came and dust you go. For from it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.

Well, there you have it — abiogenesis has been solved! By the Bible!

Why is there still dust?

 

[steve_bank]

When in dout quote the bible.

 

[Learner]

Genesis 3:19 "From dust you came and dust you go. For from it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.

Well, there you have it — abiogenesis has been solved! By the Bible!

Why is there still dust?

Just keep the cameras focused on rocks or dust. With "no God necessary", hopefully for abiogenesis, someone down the line will notice it.

Mind you .. it may turn out to be like the 'double slit experiment'. Observation result was not expected (to the usual everyday human logic). The result kept changing when taking close-up peeks, so maybe that would be the case somewhat for abiogenesis in the lab.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why is there still dust?

Just keep the cameras focused on rocks or dust. With "no God necessary", hopefully for abiogenesis, someone down the line will notice it.

Mind you .. it may turn out to be like putting cameras into the 'double slit experiment'. Result not expected, to the usual everyday human logic. The result changed when taking close-up peeks.

Cameras? You are aware that initial life was much smaller, right? And life at that scale exists today? And that if something new popped up, you won't notice. Like you wouldn't have when it initially happened.

You believe in abiogenesis, just that it was god at the wheel. The minor issue there is that we have a fossil record showing us the historical development of life going back billions of years, which keeps getting updated. You've got a holy book that only goes back a couple thousand years, and hasn't seen any updates.

The ROM in Toronto has an incredible exhibit detailing this.

 

[Elixir]

You've got a holy book that only goes back a couple thousand years, and hasn't seen any updates.

Waitaminit! No updates? Why are there a shitload of versions then? Queen James alone added and subtracted whole swaths.

 

[steve_bank]

Genesis 3:19 "From dust you came and dust you go. For from it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.

Well, there you have it — abiogenesis has been solved! By the Bible!

Why is there still dust?

Just keep the cameras focused on rocks or dust. With "no God necessary", hopefully for abiogenesis, someone down the line will notice it.

Mind you .. it may turn out to be like the 'double slit experiment'. Observation result was not expected (to the usual everyday human logic). The result kept changing when taking close-up peeks, so maybe that would be the case somewhat for abiogenesis in the lab.

I am not familiar with that experiment, can you explain it to me?

Biblical out of dust means abiogenesis?

We are witnessing new theology before our very eyes.

On the 7th day gd rested after all his work? Gosh god can get tired? Maybe he was too cheap to py for labor. Maybe that is why the universe is all fouled up. Asteroid strikes, disease, birth defects.

God did it DIY instead of hiring experienced costruction contractors.

 

[Elixir]

I am not familiar with that experiment, can you explain it to me?

It’s a divine interaction that comes about when there is sufficient fire and a pinch of brimstone perched properly upon a soapbox of perfect dimensions described in The Original Bible.

 

[Learner]

You've got a holy book that only goes back a couple thousand years, and hasn't seen any updates.

Waitaminit! No updates? Why are there a shitload of versions then? Queen James alone added and subtracted whole swaths.

Ah good...
... to both your responses.
The religious are up-to-date, quite up there with the non-religious, which in fact means they're also in the scientific community! How's about that? The only thing perhaps, is that atheists need to update their arguments.

 

[Elixir]

The religious are up-to-date,

Bwahaha- gasp - hahahahaha!

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And so fashionable too!!

What, praytell, was the latest update to “God’s Immutable Word”, Learner?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You've got a holy book that only goes back a couple thousand years, and hasn't seen any updates.

Waitaminit! No updates? Why are there a shitload of versions then? Queen James alone added and subtracted whole swaths.

Ah good...
... to both your responses.
The religious are up-to-date, quite up there with the non-religious, which in fact means they're also in the scientific community! How's about that? The only thing perhaps, is that atheists need to update their arguments.

I don't have an argument. I have a fossil record. One that you are denying exists.

 

[Learner]

You've got a holy book that only goes back a couple thousand years, and hasn't seen any updates.

Waitaminit! No updates? Why are there a shitload of versions then? Queen James alone added and subtracted whole swaths.

Ah good...
... to both your responses.
The religious are up-to-date, quite up there with the non-religious, which in fact means they're also in the scientific community! How's about that? The only thing perhaps, is that atheists need to update their arguments.

I don't have an argument. I have a fossil record. One that you are denying exists.

No not denying anything accept , the fossil records has had its issues.

 

[Elixir]

the fossil records has had its issues.

Such as? Is it psychotic, like Snake Handlers? Sadistic like Torquemada and the Inquisition? Gender dysphoric like King James?
How does a fossil record “have issues”, Learner?
Does calculus have issues too?
How about chemical synthesis reactions - do they have “issues” too?

Seems like it’s theists that have all the issues. They project those issues upon others - and even inanimate objects.