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Maybe a necessary step IS to focus on gender, race, orientation, in order to get us to the point of simply deciding that doesn’t matter as long as they do a great job at ( whatever).
In what possible way might focus on race, gender, and orientation get us to the point of deciding that doesn't matter?

From hard core Trumpistas to Wokesters like BLM, ideological extremists seem determined to keep the focus on such characteristics. Stoking the fire of division and identity politics.

How about y'all stop doing that?
Tom
The irony of that response is truly amazing. You are using identity politics to complain about identity politics.
 
She does sound brilliant and accomplished. I am thrilled that she's so young, actually. We DO need to be bringing forward accomplished people of her generation so that the old fogies can turn over the reins to people with the knowledge, skills, and commitment can assume those roles.
We agree on the critique of gerontocracy at least.
What makes her so "brilliant" in your view? She has a political science degree (one of the easier ones) from a ho-hum university in Mississippi. Her professional background is as an organizer, which doesn't that that much brains.

You keep nitpicking. Hypercritical selectivity.

She made honor roll every year of school from 1st to 12th. Did you? Did MTG? Did George Santos? Did George W Bush? Did Hair Furor?

She graduated HS salutatorian. Did you? Did MTG? Did George Santos? Did George W Bush? Did Twitler?

She went to an historical Black college because she got a scholarship and in-state made it more viable economically. Did economics put a ceiling on school choice for you? For MTG? For George Santos? For GWB? For President Cuckoo Bananas?

I bet if she went to Harvard you'd be screaming Affirmative Action. It appears she couldn't make any choice at all except to be invisible or you would offer unwarranted criticism.

Next she graduated with a degree in politics and government. Did you? Did MTG? George Santos? President Mushroom Dick?

Then she worked up in ranks to President of SEIU in CA. Not a mere "organizer." Later working on campaigns. Director level jobs... Then, President of Emily's List, not a mere organizer. Yet you are there downplaying it all.

Were you ever in a professional leadership role heading up tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people? Was George Santos? Was MTG?

Your standards haven't been applied and the others are being created along the way out of nothing.

It's no wonder people like Newsom think the answer is to promise to select a Black woman. If people don't admit what's really going on and try to change themselves, then other people will try to go around them.
It would actually be pretty difficult for a straight white male from a rich family to match those credentials, when you put it that way. How do you really know how someone would bear up under challenges they've never had to face?

That's a good question. I suppose you can examine their history under adverse conditions and unexpected crises and then make extrapolations. It's an imperfect estimate and might even have no data to extrapolate, more frequently so for the privileged. MTG would probably be a good example that would predict failure, same with GWB. For Trump, we can at least examine how he handled past moments in his Presidency. How did he perform during an unexpected crisis like the pandemic or on J6? I don't know enough about royals, but maybe we'd predict failure for the new King Charles, too.
 
Whatever dude. We know that if Aussie voting doesn't reach a threshold percentage, your government will release the drop bears.
 
In the case of Laphonza Butler she had residences in CA and MD since graduating college in the early 2000's. It seems, though, that until very recently her focus and career had been on CA in particular out of the two. It was only starting late 2021 when she became President of Emily's List that her residence focus changed a bit to MD and likely this has to do with the MD-Washington DC connection.
Good point--for someone politically active to live near Washington doesn't really mean they aren't still from whatever state they came from.
 
You keep nitpicking. Hypercritical selectivity.
I think "brilliant" is an adjective grossly overused. Especially to describe politicians.

She made honor roll every year of school from 1st to 12th. Did you?
My K-12 schools did not have something like that per se.Afaik, all you need is a certain GPA though. It's not a very high bar in high schools.

Did MTG? Did George Santos? Did George W Bush? Did Hair Furor?
Is anybody describing any of them as "brilliant"?

She graduated HS salutatorian. Did you?
No, but my high school was #2 in state. Quality of students vary considerably between schools. A salutatorian in one school may not crack top 10% in another.

She went to an historical Black college because she got a scholarship and in-state made it more viable economically. Did economics put a ceiling on school choice for you?
I also went in-state, and was on HOPE scholarship (thanks lotto players!), but it was a top 50 ranked university, not in the 400s. LMAO.

I bet if she went to Harvard you'd be screaming Affirmative Action. It appears she couldn't make any choice at all except to be invisible or you would offer unwarranted criticism.
I was asking why Toni thought LB was "brilliant". You have offered no reason why she should be described as such.
And yes, racial preferences are a big problem in college admissions.

Next she graduated with a degree in politics and government. Did you?
I graduated with a degree considerably more rigorous than a "politics and government" BA.

Then she worked up in ranks to President of SEIU in CA. Not a mere "organizer." Later working on campaigns. Director level jobs... Then, President of Emily's List, not a mere organizer. Yet you are there downplaying it all.
None of which requires brilliance.
Again, that was Toni's claim I disputed.

Were you ever in a professional leadership role heading up tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people? Was George Santos? Was MTG?
What's your obsession with Santos and MTG?

It's no wonder people like Newsom think the answer is to promise to select a Black woman. If people don't admit what's really going on and try to change themselves, then other people will try to go around them.
Huh? What does that even mean? What do you think is "really going on"?
 
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Why in the hell wouldn't he seek out more of that minority female base?!
Were there no qualified black women living in the state?

I have no problem with her but I want the Democrats to shut up the next time a Republican runs for Senator in a state they don’t currently live in, like happened a couple times in the last election.

I despise the hypocrisy not the choice.

Newsom is one Democrat. The residence issue will probably cost her with voters if she decides to run.
 
Laphonza Butler’s EMILY’s List Spends Millions on Kamala Harris
Laphonza Butler’s EMILY’s List Spends Millions on Kamala Harris While Laying Off Grassroots Staff

Two months before the layoffs, EMILY’s List announced a 2024 plan to spend tens of millions of dollars to back Harris, a Butler ally.

... The news came less than a month after EMILY’s List, then under Butler’s leadership, laid off eight people, citing budget deficits ahead of a major election year.

Layoffs were announced in September, just over a year before the 2024 elections. The influential Democratic Party-aligned organization cut five staff members from the training and community engagement team, which ran outreach to grassroots candidates and voters; two people from the digital team; and another person on the state and local campaigns team. Several staff members who were laid off and not part of the union were asked to sign nondisclosure agreements in order to receive severance. Last week, EMILY’s List shut down Run to Win, its national recruitment and training program.

A source with knowledge of the layoffs, who asked for anonymity to protect their professional relationships, said Butler billed the layoffs as part of a change in the organization’s scope and scale, but that they signaled a major shift in priorities away from outreach to grassroots candidates in the lead-up to a critical election year.

“Staff trainings like the ones EMILY’s List has run for years are essential for high quality campaigns,” said Gabe Tobias, the co-founder of Movement School, a sister organization of Justice Democrats. “Scaling these back going into a critical election year would be a big loss for Democratic candidates up and down the ballot.”
Now that LB has been kicked upstairs into the Senate, what will be next for this venerable PAC?
 
You keep nitpicking. Hypercritical selectivity.
I think "brilliant" is an adjective grossly overused. Especially to describe politicians.

She made honor roll every year of school from 1st to 12th. Did you?
My K-12 schools did not have something like that per se.Afaik, all you need is a certain GPA though. It's not a very high bar in high schools.

Did MTG? Did George Santos? Did George W Bush? Did Hair Furor?
Is anybody describing any of them as "brilliant"?

She graduated HS salutatorian. Did you?
No, but my high school was #2 in state. Quality of students vary considerably between schools. A salutatorian in one school may not crack top 10% in another.

She went to an historical Black college because she got a scholarship and in-state made it more viable economically. Did economics put a ceiling on school choice for you?
I also went in-state, and was on HOPE scholarship (thanks lotto players!), but it was a top 50 ranked university, not in the 400s. LMAO.

I bet if she went to Harvard you'd be screaming Affirmative Action. It appears she couldn't make any choice at all except to be invisible or you would offer unwarranted criticism.
I was asking why Toni thought LB was "brilliant". You have offered no reason why she should be described as such.
And yes, racial preferences are a big problem in college admissions.

Next she graduated with a degree in politics and government. Did you?
I graduated with a degree considerably more rigorous than a "politics and government" BA.

Then she worked up in ranks to President of SEIU in CA. Not a mere "organizer." Later working on campaigns. Director level jobs... Then, President of Emily's List, not a mere organizer. Yet you are there downplaying it all.
None of which requires brilliance.
Again, that was Toni's claim I disputed.

Were you ever in a professional leadership role heading up tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people? Was George Santos? Was MTG?
What's your obsession with Santos and MTG?

It's no wonder people like Newsom think the answer is to promise to select a Black woman. If people don't admit what's really going on and try to change themselves, then other people will try to go around them.
Huh? What does that even mean? What do you think is "really going on"?
Children do not get to determine what school district —or town or state their parents live in. Or how much money their parents have. Or what circumstances keep them close to home. You have zero idea how good a quality her school was. She graduated #2 in her class. She went to a state school. So what? Do you think that only east coast elite schools offer a good education? The real difference in attending a so called elite school and a good state school is the rich connections and the size of the tuition bills.

She has done spectacularly well for anyone—but especially someone who came from modest beginnings. Why are you so critical? Are you jealous that she’s made such a name for herself despite coming from a no-name school?

Frankly we need more focus on high achieving people who did not go to Harvard but still managed to achieve a great deal.

All of this worship of Ivies reminds me of the girls who just have to wear things with big garish logos because without that brand flashing, they’d never know what quality is. They still don’t. They only know logos. What a joke.
 
Laphonza Butler’s EMILY’s List Spends Millions on Kamala Harris
Laphonza Butler’s EMILY’s List Spends Millions on Kamala Harris While Laying Off Grassroots Staff

Two months before the layoffs, EMILY’s List announced a 2024 plan to spend tens of millions of dollars to back Harris, a Butler ally.

... The news came less than a month after EMILY’s List, then under Butler’s leadership, laid off eight people, citing budget deficits ahead of a major election year.

Layoffs were announced in September, just over a year before the 2024 elections. The influential Democratic Party-aligned organization cut five staff members from the training and community engagement team, which ran outreach to grassroots candidates and voters; two people from the digital team; and another person on the state and local campaigns team. Several staff members who were laid off and not part of the union were asked to sign nondisclosure agreements in order to receive severance. Last week, EMILY’s List shut down Run to Win, its national recruitment and training program.

A source with knowledge of the layoffs, who asked for anonymity to protect their professional relationships, said Butler billed the layoffs as part of a change in the organization’s scope and scale, but that they signaled a major shift in priorities away from outreach to grassroots candidates in the lead-up to a critical election year.

“Staff trainings like the ones EMILY’s List has run for years are essential for high quality campaigns,” said Gabe Tobias, the co-founder of Movement School, a sister organization of Justice Democrats. “Scaling these back going into a critical election year would be a big loss for Democratic candidates up and down the ballot.”
Now that LB has been kicked upstairs into the Senate, what will be next for this venerable PAC?
I've joked that public construction contracts be awarded to lawyers, so we skip the middle man of the BS contractor claims. Maybe we should elect PACs instead of candidates too.
 
Derec seems desperate to discredit Laphonza Butler, trying to imply that she is not really a high achiever. But I see no reason to doubt that.

Who is Laphonza Butler's wife, Neneki Lee? | The US Sun
Who is Laphonza Butler's wife, Neneki Lee?

Outside of being known as Butler's wife, Lee is known for her career with the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), a labor union that represents almost 2 million workers across the United States and Canada.

Lee joined the organization in November 1997 as the public services' national division director and now, she serves as the deputy to the secretary-treasurer, according to her LinkedIn profile.
The two have a daughter, Nylah.
 
You keep nitpicking. Hypercritical selectivity.
I think "brilliant" is an adjective grossly overused. Especially to describe politicians.

Whether or not the word brilliant is overused or not is irrelevant to whether it is applicable to a specific individual and further irrelevant to your hypercritical selective nitpicking that has been well-established through exposed direct evidence over and over again. Here you are quote-mining Toni in response to me as apologetics for your incorrect presumptions. To review--Toni had said she was "brilliant and accomplished"--not merely brilliant. You then responded downplaying a lot of hard work and top-level positions and you continue to downplay her very hard work she accomplished and insult her university by calling it "ho-hum." You might as well be Donald Trump screaming that she's "BORing" on Twitter. My observations of your hypercriticisms didn't start with Toni, they started with your post about Laphonza saying you didn't know if she was born in 1978 or 1979, as if you were ripe to accept a new Birtherism conspiracy or scandal about her age. Residential databases have her birth year and month, though--just you don't. Your eagerness to take any gap in knowledge at all about her and make assumptions and draw false inferences into cynicism about her for some reason is well-documented. And so is the down-playing all her accomplishments.


She made honor roll every year of school from 1st to 12th. Did you?
My K-12 schools did not have something like that per se.Afaik, all you need is a certain GPA though. It's not a very high bar in high schools.

This shows you are so interested in nitpicking that you have not taken into account the evidence to which you responded later on--that she had become salutatorian of her high school and thus is not going to have the kind of minimum bar GPA required for honor roll (like 3.5 or whatever) but top of the line GPA, either 4.0 or very close to 4.0 like 3.99 etc.

Enterprise-Journal. McComb, Mississippi · Friday, April 18, 1997. Page 4.
South Pike High School Beta Club sponsor Sara Martin, left, joins student Laphonza Butler, who has been selected for a scholarship through the Beta Club to attend the W.E.B. DuBois Honors College at Jackson State University. Butler has maintained a 4.0 grade point average at South Pike.

Emphasis added.

Did MTG? Did George Santos? Did George W Bush? Did Hair Furor?
Is anybody describing any of them as "brilliant"?

YES! It's not just Donald Trump calling himself a stable genius either. Just yesterday I read a Fox News article and linked it in another thread. At the bottom there was click-bait talking about how GWB and Twitler are intellectual geniuses with extremely high IQs. While people believe that stuff, it's not really the point. The point is that you are choosing to focus on undue hypercriticism of Laphonza Butler and have been so since before Toni's post.

She graduated HS salutatorian. Did you?
No, but my high school was #2 in state. Quality of students vary considerably between schools. A salutatorian in one school may not crack top 10% in another.

Generally speaking, and there are exceptions, salutatorians are intelligent and extremely hard-working. Being a salutatorian is reasonable evidence of intelligence and even in rare cases where theoretically it might not be, it is still an accomplishment.

She went to an historical Black college because she got a scholarship and in-state made it more viable economically. Did economics put a ceiling on school choice for you?
I also went in-state, and was on HOPE scholarship (thanks lotto players!), but it was a top 50 ranked university, not in the 400s. LMAO.

Using your "logic": Since George W Bush went to Yale and you only went to a top 50 university, he's way smarter than you are.
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^This guy.

I bet if she went to Harvard you'd be screaming Affirmative Action. It appears she couldn't make any choice at all except to be invisible or you would offer unwarranted criticism.
I was asking why Toni thought LB was "brilliant". You have offered no reason why she should be described as such.

Of course they have. Salutatorians are generally pretty intelligent. Generally speaking, people who are selected to be President of an organization like Emily's List are smart people and people who have Director level jobs are smart. People who climb their way to President of SEIU in CA are savvy. You have to show A LOT of evidence to counter all this evidence, i.e. there is an extreme burden on you but all you've done is go "Nyahh!" It doesn't work that way, Derec.


And yes, racial preferences are a big problem in college admissions.

Next she graduated with a degree in politics and government. Did you?
I graduated with a degree considerably more rigorous than a "politics and government" BA.

Great, so you have a very narrow, technical focus and perhaps someday, someone who works for someone who works for someone who works for Laphonza Butler will hire you indirectly through a temporary contract giving you an opportunity in your technical field to get some cash money.

Then she worked up in ranks to President of SEIU in CA. Not a mere "organizer." Later working on campaigns. Director level jobs... Then, President of Emily's List, not a mere organizer. Yet you are there downplaying it all.
None of which requires brilliance.
Again, that was Toni's claim I disputed.

You have to be very savvy and hard-working to work your way up to these positions. There is a big burden on you to demonstrate otherwise and you have failed to meet that burden.

Were you ever in a professional leadership role heading up tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people? Was George Santos? Was MTG?
What's your obsession with Santos and MTG?

In other words, you don't want to answer the question. Things that make you go Hmmmm...

It's no wonder people like Newsom think the answer is to promise to select a Black woman. If people don't admit what's really going on and try to change themselves, then other people will try to go around them.
Huh? What does that even mean? What do you think is "really going on"?

You can't just deny evidence and then say you don't get it, Derec.
 
You keep nitpicking. Hypercritical selectivity.
I think "brilliant" is an adjective grossly overused. Especially to describe politicians.

She made honor roll every year of school from 1st to 12th. Did you?
My K-12 schools did not have something like that per se.Afaik, all you need is a certain GPA though. It's not a very high bar in high schools.

Did MTG? Did George Santos? Did George W Bush? Did Hair Furor?
Is anybody describing any of them as "brilliant"?

She graduated HS salutatorian. Did you?
No, but my high school was #2 in state. Quality of students vary considerably between schools. A salutatorian in one school may not crack top 10% in another.

She went to an historical Black college because she got a scholarship and in-state made it more viable economically. Did economics put a ceiling on school choice for you?
I also went in-state, and was on HOPE scholarship (thanks lotto players!), but it was a top 50 ranked university, not in the 400s. LMAO.

I bet if she went to Harvard you'd be screaming Affirmative Action. It appears she couldn't make any choice at all except to be invisible or you would offer unwarranted criticism.
I was asking why Toni thought LB was "brilliant". You have offered no reason why she should be described as such.
And yes, racial preferences are a big problem in college admissions.

Next she graduated with a degree in politics and government. Did you?
I graduated with a degree considerably more rigorous than a "politics and government" BA.

Then she worked up in ranks to President of SEIU in CA. Not a mere "organizer." Later working on campaigns. Director level jobs... Then, President of Emily's List, not a mere organizer. Yet you are there downplaying it all.
None of which requires brilliance.
Again, that was Toni's claim I disputed.

Were you ever in a professional leadership role heading up tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people? Was George Santos? Was MTG?
What's your obsession with Santos and MTG?

It's no wonder people like Newsom think the answer is to promise to select a Black woman. If people don't admit what's really going on and try to change themselves, then other people will try to go around them.
Huh? What does that even mean? What do you think is "really going on"?
Children do not get to determine what school district —or town or state their parents live in. Or how much money their parents have. Or what circumstances keep them close to home. You have zero idea how good a quality her school was. She graduated #2 in her class. She went to a state school. So what? Do you think that only east coast elite schools offer a good education? The real difference in attending a so called elite school and a good state school is the rich connections and the size of the tuition bills.

She has done spectacularly well for anyone—but especially someone who came from modest beginnings. Why are you so critical? Are you jealous that she’s made such a name for herself despite coming from a no-name school?

Frankly we need more focus on high achieving people who did not go to Harvard but still managed to achieve a great deal.

These are some good points.

All of this worship of Ivies reminds me of the girls who just have to wear things with big garish logos because without that brand flashing, they’d never know what quality is. They still don’t. They only know logos. What a joke.

I really like this analogy because it is very interesting, but consider that Derec didn't get into a #1 ranked elite school, he said he only got into a top50 school. So, wouldn't the analogy be more like someone wearing ProChamps making fun of Albert Einstein because he shops at a thrift store?
 
You keep nitpicking. Hypercritical selectivity.
I think "brilliant" is an adjective grossly overused. Especially to describe politicians.

She made honor roll every year of school from 1st to 12th. Did you?
My K-12 schools did not have something like that per se.Afaik, all you need is a certain GPA though. It's not a very high bar in high schools.

Did MTG? Did George Santos? Did George W Bush? Did Hair Furor?
Is anybody describing any of them as "brilliant"?

She graduated HS salutatorian. Did you?
No, but my high school was #2 in state. Quality of students vary considerably between schools. A salutatorian in one school may not crack top 10% in another.

She went to an historical Black college because she got a scholarship and in-state made it more viable economically. Did economics put a ceiling on school choice for you?
I also went in-state, and was on HOPE scholarship (thanks lotto players!), but it was a top 50 ranked university, not in the 400s. LMAO.

I bet if she went to Harvard you'd be screaming Affirmative Action. It appears she couldn't make any choice at all except to be invisible or you would offer unwarranted criticism.
I was asking why Toni thought LB was "brilliant". You have offered no reason why she should be described as such.
And yes, racial preferences are a big problem in college admissions.

Next she graduated with a degree in politics and government. Did you?
I graduated with a degree considerably more rigorous than a "politics and government" BA.

Then she worked up in ranks to President of SEIU in CA. Not a mere "organizer." Later working on campaigns. Director level jobs... Then, President of Emily's List, not a mere organizer. Yet you are there downplaying it all.
None of which requires brilliance.
Again, that was Toni's claim I disputed.

Were you ever in a professional leadership role heading up tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people? Was George Santos? Was MTG?
What's your obsession with Santos and MTG?

It's no wonder people like Newsom think the answer is to promise to select a Black woman. If people don't admit what's really going on and try to change themselves, then other people will try to go around them.
Huh? What does that even mean? What do you think is "really going on"?
Children do not get to determine what school district —or town or state their parents live in. Or how much money their parents have. Or what circumstances keep them close to home. You have zero idea how good a quality her school was. She graduated #2 in her class. She went to a state school. So what? Do you think that only east coast elite schools offer a good education? The real difference in attending a so called elite school and a good state school is the rich connections and the size of the tuition bills.

She has done spectacularly well for anyone—but especially someone who came from modest beginnings. Why are you so critical? Are you jealous that she’s made such a name for herself despite coming from a no-name school?

Frankly we need more focus on high achieving people who did not go to Harvard but still managed to achieve a great deal.

These are some good points.

All of this worship of Ivies reminds me of the girls who just have to wear things with big garish logos because without that brand flashing, they’d never know what quality is. They still don’t. They only know logos. What a joke.

I really like this analogy because it is very interesting, but consider that Derec didn't get into a #1 ranked elite school, he said he only got into a top50 school. So, wouldn't the analogy be more like someone wearing ProChamps making fun of Albert Einstein because he shops at a thrift store?
Sure, but that ignores the whole vast majority of people who do not care at all about brands but instead care about competence.
 
No, but my high school was #2 in state. Quality of students vary considerably between schools.
You're using this as an attack on a salutatorian and and to express your quality as a student?

It says nothing about you as a student. You could have come in dead last in your class for all that is worth.

A salutatorian in one school may not crack top 10% in another.
I find that highly doubtful but if you have an example I'm willing to look at it.
 
When I see the irrelevant attacks on the quality of a woman’s educational and professional achievements, I am always reminded of the fable of the fox and the grapes.

Ms Butler’s record is indicative of a person of intelligence, ambition and hard work who knows how to build coalitions. Sounds like an excellent US Senate candidate to me.
 
When I see the irrelevant attacks on the quality of a woman’s educational and professional achievements, I am always reminded of the fable of the fox and the grapes.
I have not been making any "irrelevant attacks on the quality of a woman’s educational and professional achievements".
I was merely responding to Toni's unsubstantiated claims that LB was "brilliant".

There is nothing wrong per se with LB's educational or professional background. I would not have even commented on it were it not for Toni's hyperbolic statements about her "brilliance".

Ms Butler’s record is indicative of a person of intelligence, ambition and hard work who knows how to build coalitions. Sounds like an excellent US Senate candidate to me.
We will see how she comports herself in the Senate. I have some doubts because of how she was selected (based chiefly on her race and gender). Her leading Emily's List, an exclusionary group that only supports female candidates is also not really indicative of building coalitions.
But again, let's see. She may surprise me. Or not.
 
Of course if Butler had attended Harvard, Derek would have claimed that she was admitted only because of affirmative action, not because of her accomplishments.
Are you denying that Harvard has had major issues with racial preferences in admissions?

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