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Why do Christians outnumber atheists?

Unfortunately, the dogmas of atheism seem bleak by comparison to the glories of Christian dogmas which promise eternal life. So who wants the atheist version of religion without the promise of heaven?

I like my neighbor's sporty car. I'd love to own his car. I don't wake up one day, sit in his car and say, "that's my car. I believe it's mine." Then, the police come and are asking wtf am I doing in the car. I say, "I believe it's mine." They ask for paperwork. I show them paperwork from the glove compartment. I show them my driver's license and names don't match. But I say, "No, no, that's my name. I believe that is my name." It just doesn't happen. WANT doesn't necessarily translate into BELIEF.
That's true, but evidently for many people desire to live forever does result in belief to live forever. I'm not saying that Christians are right to believe in immortality but that more people want to live on than to die. I think that helps to explain why Christians outnumber atheists.
 
Unfortunately, the dogmas of atheism seem bleak by comparison to the glories of Christian dogmas which promise eternal life. So who wants the atheist version of religion without the promise of heaven?

I like my neighbor's sporty car. I'd love to own his car. I don't wake up one day, sit in his car and say, "that's my car. I believe it's mine." Then, the police come and are asking wtf am I doing in the car. I say, "I believe it's mine." They ask for paperwork. I show them paperwork from the glove compartment. I show them my driver's license and names don't match. But I say, "No, no, that's my name. I believe that is my name." It just doesn't happen. WANT doesn't necessarily translate into BELIEF.
That's true, but evidently for many people desire to live forever does result in belief to live forever. I'm not saying that Christians are right to believe in immortality but that more people want to live on than to die. I think that helps to explain why Christians outnumber atheists.

BUT if we examine societies through history and across geography, we see that strong location-bias and we observe that freer societies will tend to have more atheists. Once you are free from the legacy of the population being forced into it and the cultural pressures, it largely goes away. It's possible that WANT is related somewhat to the maintenance of the legacy in forced societies that have begun to become freer where free adults have become so used to rejecting critical thinking due to past force and pressure that they then once "free" as adults are now willfully ignorant. But once societies are completely free from the pressure, religion is pretty minimal or at least that is how it seems. You should really try to measure this across societies and exploring these different variables simultaneously rather than trying to hold onto a narrative.
 
A truth seeker has to be prepared to accept the truth regardless of what it is.
 
You can find plenty more. It's odd that you are not aware of these facts. Why didn't you ever research what atheists have done to people in the past?

He asked about _centuries_ that you claimed, but you answered not in _centuries_ but something that started 2023-1928=95 years ago.
Why is the time of the atheistic persecutions of Christians so important? It looks like desperation to me when I see that kind of quibbling. Besides "centuries" is very vague. What centuries are being referred to?
That's why he asked the question about pagans and other non-Christians since historically we know something about pagans centuries before warring with other religionists...
Where is this talk about pagans coming from? I thought we were discussing atheists versus Christians.
...but don't hear much about atheists murdering Christians for centuries like you claimed.
It's interesting how Christians took twenty centuries to persecute a smaller number of people than atheists did in a few decades! If we argued who killed more efficiently, then atheists win hands down over Christians.
I suppose you could try to claim it started in 1917 and come up with 106 years, but that's still not the _centuries_ you claimed.
OK--I should have said atheists did their killing of millions of people in less than a century. You've got me there.

So we see why Christians outnumber atheists. Who would want to be part of that?
 
It is not just this thread, 'truth seeking' an what truth is goes back at least to the Greeks.

It has provided thousands of years of engaging debate with no resolution.

In the case of someone like Soldier IMO truth is an amorphous ill defined concept analogous to the Cristian god. One can't define it but one just knows what it is.

There was a judge around the 80s in an obscenity case who said he ma not be able to define it but he knows it when he sees it.

There were threads on philosophy on objective vs subjective truth.

A poll says 10000 atheists were polled and they say they have absolutely no belief in any kind of deity whatsoever. Were they all telling the truth or interpreting what they beige is truth in context of who tey are? Are they all true atheists?


A poll was done in the UK o religious beliefs. The concision was the poll was useless. Asking what appears to be a simple question 'do you believe in god' turned out to be inadequate.

I don't believe in gods, but I have feeling there is something. It becomes difficult to come up with a set of questions that bounds the issue. And the questions represent how the pollsters think about the issue.

Soldier has a point but does not appear up to the task he set for himself.

I have no idea who he is. I kind of suspected he was Christian, he uses Christian arguments and reasoning. If he is posting as Christian on a forum then here he is trying to support a predetermined conclusion about atheists.

Or maybe he is just plain crazy.

The qusetion of truth goes down an old philosophical rabbit hole.

Scientific truth and religious truth are not the same. Legal truth is specific, it is coded into laws.

Religious and philosophical truth appear subjective.
 
You can find plenty more. It's odd that you are not aware of these facts. Why didn't you ever research what atheists have done to people in the past?

He asked about _centuries_ that you claimed, but you answered not in _centuries_ but something that started 2023-1928=95 years ago.
Why is the time of the atheistic persecutions of Christians so important? It looks like desperation to me when I see that kind of quibbling. Besides "centuries" is very vague. What centuries are being referred to?

centuries isn't vague. It means more than one. So, at least 2 centuries qualifies. You said centuries but then you gave only one example which didn't qualify to be the minimum of the claim of centuries (plural).

That's why he asked the question about pagans and other non-Christians since historically we know something about pagans centuries before warring with other religionists...
Where is this talk about pagans coming from? I thought we were discussing atheists versus Christians.

He was trying to figure out why you made the claim of plural centuries and so he asked if you were confusing pagans with atheists. That's where it came from. Did you mean pagans instead of atheists when you made a claim about centuries (plural)?

...but don't hear much about atheists murdering Christians for centuries like you claimed.
It's interesting how Christians took twenty centuries to persecute a smaller number of people than atheists did in a few decades! If we argued who killed more efficiently, then atheists win hands down over Christians.
I suppose you could try to claim it started in 1917 and come up with 106 years, but that's still not the _centuries_ you claimed.
OK--I should have said atheists did their killing of millions of people in less than a century. You've got me there.

If it takes you this long to admit error over the letter "s" in a word how long does it take to admit error over complex ideas?

So we see why Christians outnumber atheists. Who would want to be part of that?

BUT I doubt that Christians outnumber atheists either in the Universe or in certain countries like China. It's only when you cherry-pick the geography and time period to be a place where Christians outnumber atheists that they do. And when you do that it's overridingly because of the legacy of direct force followed by centuries of cultural pressure and pressure from the family unit that maintains the religious affiliation (regardless of which religion).
 
It's interesting how Christians took twenty centuries to persecute a smaller number of people than atheists did in a few decades! If we argued who killed more efficiently, then atheists win hands down over Christians.
You might want to become more familiar with historical facts.

Even the most white washed of history books will show you the blood drenched history of Christendom. From the Crusades to Euro-Colonialism to World Wars, Christians have been slaughtering people for centuries.
This Great Country of ours was largely founded on oppression, slavery and genocide. Committed by Christians.

The 20th century Communists racked up horrifying numbers. But there were at least two big differences between them and previous centuries.
One, the global population had skyrocketed. There were millions more potential victims.
Two, advanced weapons technology made mass killings much easier and cheaper than they used to be. Weapons developed by Christians for their own purposes.
Tom
 
It's arguable that Stalin was not so much an atheist, as the leader of a new religion (Soviet Communism), who saw other religions as a threat, and (like religious leaders throughout history) took bloody steps to attempt to eliminate the competition.

It's inarguable that Stalin learned how to run an oppressive quasi-religious regime directly from the Christians at the seminary he attended for six years.

Christianity held a central and formative position in Stalin's childhood. He was far from being a mere atheist; He was an atheist who saw firsthand how Christianity corrupts a society, and who decided that he could do that himself, if only he could get people to switch allegiance to his new cult, and away from the established church.

Certainly it is disingenuous at best to hold Stalin up as an example of an atheist; Most atheists don't first train to become priests. Amongst atheists, Stalin is a clear outlier, and anyone hinting that he is somehow exemplary or typical of atheists is clearly either badly misinformed, or deliberately attempting to mislead.

People who are exposed to corruption tend to go one of two ways. Either they decide to spend their lives fighting against it wherever it is found, having recognised it as evil and wrong; Or they decide that if other people are getting riches and power, then they will have a piece of that action too, and become evil and wrong for fun and profit.

Stalin (and Donald Trump) fall into the latter camp, as do most mobsters and crime bosses. Religion has little to do with it, other than as a role model for how to fleece gullible marks (and in Stalin's case, gullible Marxists).
 
People generally don't like atheism, and I'm beginning to see why.

I don't believe that that the atheists on this board are going to change people much. Their conduct explains some of the difficulty of "unseating religion."

And the purpose of the thread is revealed. Just another Christian out to denigrate atheists.
 
People generally don't like atheism, and I'm beginning to see why.
Those who don’t like atheists, and there are many of those among Christians and other religions, probably don’t like them because they don’t like to be reminded of the fact that there is no Magic Kingdom in the Sky where, when you die, you will receive supernatural chocoalte chip cookies from Jesus.
 
I have no idea who he is. I kind of suspected he was Christian, he uses Christian arguments and reasoning. If he is posting as Christian on a forum then here he is trying to support a predetermined conclusion about atheists.
You nailed it. Who pursues the argument of "Atheists commit mass murder; it's a feature of atheism"?? Not professional historians -- it's too nonsensical and lacking in interpretive power. That argument is in the arsenal of the Christian apologist who is eager to change the subject from the Inquisition, the burning of heretics, the Biblical slaughters, etc.
 
BUT if we examine societies through history and across geography, we see that strong location-bias and we observe that freer societies will tend to have more atheists.
Freer societies tend to have religious pluralism too. Would you say that the atheists in this forum love free thought and expression of alternate views including views they disagree with?
Once you are free from the legacy of the population being forced into it and the cultural pressures, it largely goes away.
I don't think that hope for immortality will ever go away. Hunger for heaven fuels theism, and that's why the Gods will never go away.
It's possible that WANT is related somewhat to the maintenance of the legacy in forced societies that have begun to become freer where free adults have become so used to rejecting critical thinking due to past force and pressure that they then once "free" as adults are now willfully ignorant.
I can't make sense out of this.
But once societies are completely free from the pressure, religion is pretty minimal or at least that is how it seems. You should really try to measure this across societies and exploring these different variables simultaneously rather than trying to hold onto a narrative.
If atheism is in favor of freedom, then am I free to opine that Christians outnumber atheists because people generally don't believe what you're saying? To say that this forum reflects freedom of thought is absolutely ridiculous.
 
To say that this forum reflects freedom of thought is absolutely ridiculous.

You are free to go on believing whatever wrong-headed ideas you want to believe and keep repeating them over and over again every time someone shows you are in error.

Welcome to the forum!
 
If atheism is in favor of freedom, then am I free to opine that Christians outnumber atheists because people generally don't believe what you're saying?
Yes. Obviously.

IIDB doesn't have rules about ideology.

Try telling the CARM staff that you are not a Believer. You don't believe in any god, much less the Bible God. Don't namby pamby about concerning "truth seeker," tell them flat out what you've told us.

I don't really care what happens, so I'm not asking. Just Do It
Tom
 
Been out much?? Of course "people generally don't believe" the atheist narrative. Have you noticed that atheists in general don't mind being on the fringe? That's where the cool stuff is. If you aspire to "flapping wings with the local greengrocer" for all eternity, in the Mencken phrase, then I'm sure you can find a church that will feed you that story. And you can join the flock and drink the KoolAid. The Bible is tribal. I don't need a tribe.
 
Would you say that the atheists in this forum love free thought and expression of alternate views including views they disagree with?
I certainly would.

People here don't agree much. We are mostly explicitly here to see other views and opinions, and to discuss their merits (or lack thereof). One need not agree with an idea in order to find it interesting; And observing other people's errors is a good way to learn.

It's like learning from your own mistakes, but without the pain of having to make those mistakes yourself.
 
My impression way back is that Soldier does not get out and around much.

Not a lot of social peer interaction.
 
So I was googling religiosity and came across this interesting study:
 
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