Yet another shooting thread

[Loren Pechtel]

And the battered woman who finally left her abuser.

I thought abused women are much likely to be killed with a gun by their abuser than killing their abuser.

Can you ever actually address the point?

Yes, a woman is more likely to be killed by her abuser than kill her abuser. I was specifically addressing the case of when she leaves. That's a very dangerous time for her and a situation where being armed would be a good idea.

More importantly, I’ve noticed that you seem to defend the choices and policies that enable more killing, not fewer. Perhaps I’m wrong, but it sure seems to me to be true.

I'm willing to confront unpleasant reality rather than pretend there's some perfect solution if the side with the power would only look hard enough.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

guns for 'home defense' would be left at home, bothering nobody

The foundational assumptions behind guns for 'home defence' are at least one of "My property is worth more than a human life"; or "Most strangers are dangerous people who are only deterred from killing and rape by their fear of violence".

No.

Property? The guys only after property sneak in and out, there's rarely an encounter for firearms to even be relevant. When there's an encounter it's typically because they seek to rob--and robbery victims often get hurt. This is especially true with drugs--they're desperate for the money for a fix and not having enough to satisfy a robber might be met with violence in an attempt to get more.

I would prefer nobody gets hurt, but I would prefer 100 dead intruders to one dead homeowner.

And it's not about strangers being dangerous. It's about those who have already demonstrated they are criminals being dangerous.

 

[bilby]

And your criminals are a lot bolder than ours.

WTAF???

Our hot burglary rate is 1 in 6. England is 1 in 2. (Admittedly, old data.)

Our burglars mostly seek to avoid contact with the occupants. Theirs don't. Fewer dead, but more injured.

My extensive experience with English burglars says that their top priority is to avoid contact with the occupants.

And "contact" basically means "being seen"; It certainly doesn't imply a situation in which injuries are likely, much less probable.

Your abject ignorance of the subject is noted.

 

[bilby]

The guys only after property sneak in and out, there's rarely an encounter for firearms to even be relevant.

No shit, Sherlock.

 

[southernhybrid]

WaPo had an article today that I'm sharing, about the horrific damage done by AR-15, the most used gun in mass shootings. I hope some will read it, especially those who deny that these guns should remain legal. Warning. The article is full of graphic images, in an attempt to help people see the reality of what happens when these weapons of war are used in a mass shooting. Blood and bodies are everywhere. The article includes how people felt, including law enforcement and other first responders when they were called to these mass shooting. Please take a look. There is no reason these guns should be legal.

https://wapo.st/46pzeqc

Mass shootings involving AR-15s have become a recurring American nightmare.

The weapon, easy to operate and widely available, is now used more than any other in the country’s deadliest mass killings.

Fired by the dozens or hundreds in rapid succession, bullets from AR-15s have blasted through classroom doors and walls. They have shredded theater seats and splintered wooden church pews. They have mangled human bodies and, in a matter of seconds, shattered the lives of people attending a concert, shopping on a Saturday afternoon, going out with friends and family, working in their offices and worshiping at church and synagogue. They have killed first-graders, teenagers, mothers, fathers and grandparents.

But the full effects of the AR-15’s destructive force are rarely seen in public.

 

[Elixir]

WaPo had an article today that I'm sharing, about the horrific damage done by AR-15, the most used gun in mass shootings. I hope some will read it, especially those who deny that these guns should remain legal. Warning. The article is full of graphic images, in an attempt to help people see the reality of what happens when these weapons of war are used in a mass shooting. Blood and bodies are everywhere. The article includes how people felt, including law enforcement and other first responders when they were called to these mass shooting. Please take a look. There is no reason these guns should be legal.

https://wapo.st/46pzeqc

Mass shootings involving AR-15s have become a recurring American nightmare.

The weapon, easy to operate and widely available, is now used more than any other in the country’s deadliest mass killings.

Fired by the dozens or hundreds in rapid succession, bullets from AR-15s have blasted through classroom doors and walls. They have shredded theater seats and splintered wooden church pews. They have mangled human bodies and, in a matter of seconds, shattered the lives of people attending a concert, shopping on a Saturday afternoon, going out with friends and family, working in their offices and worshiping at church and synagogue. They have killed first-graders, teenagers, mothers, fathers and grandparents.

But the full effects of the AR-15’s destructive force are rarely seen in public.

Thanks. I doubt that our resident loudmouth “expert” will read it, though he’ll probably weigh in with his usual equivocations.

 

[laughing dog]

And the battered woman who finally left her abuser.

I thought abused women are much likely to be killed with a gun by their abuser than killing their abuser.

Can you ever actually address the point?

I didn't. How about you stop flinging accusations to hide your obtuseness?

Yes, a woman is more likely to be killed by her abuser than kill her abuser. I was specifically addressing the case of when she leaves. That's a very dangerous time for her and a situation where being armed would be a good idea.

If the woman is leaving, she needs no firearm. Duh.

More importantly, I’ve noticed that you seem to defend the choices and policies that enable more killing, not fewer. Perhaps I’m wrong, but it sure seems to me to be true.

I'm willing to confront unpleasant reality rather than pretend there's some perfect solution if the side with the power would only look hard enough.

I give you credit for owning up to a "kill more people" solution even if your rationale is one of the dumbest ones I have ever seen.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And the battered woman who finally left her abuser.

I thought abused women are much likely to be killed with a gun by their abuser than killing their abuser.

Can you ever actually address the point?

I didn't. How about you stop flinging accusations to hide your obtuseness?

I suggest you read again as you clearly did not understand.

Yes, a woman is more likely to be killed by her abuser than kill her abuser. I was specifically addressing the case of when she leaves. That's a very dangerous time for her and a situation where being armed would be a good idea.

If the woman is leaving, she needs no firearm. Duh.

You realize her abuser might come looking for her?? I suggest looking outside your ivory tower on occasion.

 

[laughing dog]

I suggest you read again as you clearly did not understand.

Projection is a form of narcissism.

You realize her abuser might come looking for her?? I suggest looking outside your ivory tower on occasion.

You realize her abuser might disarm her and then kill her, or knowing she is armed, cone armed himself? I suggest pulling your head out if the NRA’s ass.

 

[bilby]

You realize her abuser might come looking for her?? I suggest looking outside your ivory tower on occasion.

You realize her abuser might disarm her and then kill her, or knowing she is armed, cone armed himself?

You two realise that both she and her abuser are fictional characters from a poorly written morality tale?

Right?

 

[EricH]

WaPo had an article today that I'm sharing, about the horrific damage done by AR-15, the most used gun in mass shootings. I hope some will read it, especially those who deny that these guns should remain legal. Warning. The article is full of graphic images, in an attempt to help people see the reality of what happens when these weapons of war are used in a mass shooting

I don't need to read the article because I have first hand experience of the damage that an M16 or any other AR15 clone will inflict on the human body. I qualified with the M14 in basic training and was moved to the M16 in advanced training in the Corps in 1967. There is very little about the AR15 clones you can buy as a civilian today to distinguish them from the M16 I carried for 3.5 years, except that the modern guns are often lighter and more ergonomic in their handling. And turning that new AR15 into a highly illegal fully automatic weapon is easily accomplished by a simple search on Google. Not that full auto makes any difference when your target is a church or a classroom. I don't understand why anyone with a sane mind would think selling AR15 clones to civilians should be legal.

 

[laughing dog]

You realize her abuser might come looking for her?? I suggest looking outside your ivory tower on occasion.

You realize her abuser might disarm her and then kill her, or knowing she is armed, cone armed himself?

You two realise that both she and her abuser are fictional characters from a poorly written morality tale?

Right?

What's wrong with trying to fix the morality tale to reflect reality?

 

[bilby]

You realize her abuser might come looking for her?? I suggest looking outside your ivory tower on occasion.

You realize her abuser might disarm her and then kill her, or knowing she is armed, cone armed himself?

You two realise that both she and her abuser are fictional characters from a poorly written morality tale?

Right?

What's wrong with trying to fix the morality tale to reflect reality?

Do, or do not. There is no "try". - Yoda

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And the battered woman who finally left her abuser.

I thought abused women are much likely to be killed with a gun by their abuser than killing their abuser.

Can you ever actually address the point?

I didn't. How about you stop flinging accusations to hide your obtuseness?

I suggest you read again as you clearly did not understand.

Yes, a woman is more likely to be killed by her abuser than kill her abuser. I was specifically addressing the case of when she leaves. That's a very dangerous time for her and a situation where being armed would be a good idea.

If the woman is leaving, she needs no firearm. Duh.

You realize her abuser might come looking for her?? I suggest looking outside your ivory tower on occasion.

I suggest you read again as you clearly did not understand.

Projection is a form of narcissism.

I suggest you review the words you snipped from this quote. You are making an admission I don't think you intended to make.

You realize her abuser might come looking for her?? I suggest looking outside your ivory tower on occasion.

You realize her abuser might disarm her and then kill her, or knowing she is armed, cone armed himself? I suggest pulling your head out if the NRA’s ass.

Her chances are better armed than not armed. Neither approach ensures safety.

 

[Elixir]

Her chances are better armed than not armed.

Citation please!

 

[bilby]

Her chances are better armed than not armed.

Citation please!

It's his completely fictional scenario, so as author, he can have the story develop in any way he likes.

 

[Elixir]

Her chances are better armed than not armed.

Citation please!

It's his completely fictional scenario, so as author, he can have the story develop in any way he likes.

That’s why we can’t have nice things.

 

[ZiprHead]

With ‘conversion switch’ devices, machine guns return to U.S. streets

The earsplitting, heart-stopping roar of fully automatic weapons hasn’t been often heard on America’s streets since Congress largely outlawed them in 1934. But now it’s back, owing to a small device that is easily plugged into certain handguns and rifles, converting semiautomatic firearms into guns capable of firing 20 bullets in one second — with one pull of the trigger.


In Sacramento last year, a handgun converted into a machine gun was used during a gun battle that left six dead, in what has been called Sacramento’s deadliest mass shooting. In Minneapolis, eight people were wounded in August amid a spray of 40 bullets fired in just seconds. In 2021, a Houston police officer was killed and another wounded by a suspect with a pistol equipped with the device.

The devices have many names: Switch. Giggle switch. Sear. Auto sear. Conversion device. Glock switch (some of which have Glock’s logo fraudulently printed on them). Even though they are small — switches for pistols are about the size of a playing die — and don’t themselves contain bullets, the devices are considered machine guns by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said Craig B. Kailimai, special agent in charge of ATF’s Washington field division.


“That would be illegal,” he said. “The device itself.”
The devices can be made of metal or plastic, and authorities believe some are imported from China and sold on the streets. But 3D printers also have been used to make both the square-shaped switch for pistols and an S-shaped device that slides into guns such as the AR-15 to convert them to fully automatic, Kailimai said. The printing process takes about 45 minutes.

Yay, America!

 

[ZiprHead]

UNLV mass shooting: 3 killed, 1 hurt in attack on campus

A suspect is dead after three people were killed at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, according to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

abcnews.go.com

Crap...

 

[Derec]

UNLV mass shooting: 3 killed, 1 hurt in attack on campus

A suspect is dead after three people were killed at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, according to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

abcnews.go.com

Crap...

Apparently the shooter was a professor, not a student. But he hasn't been identified by name yet.