The US doesn't have these things so apparently they're not entirely necessary.
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The US doesn't have these things so apparently they're not entirely necessary.
Haiti also suffers from a grotesque level of interloping western do-gooders. Nascent native businesses cannot compete against free western aid and constantly being treated as if they're perpetually helpless. But I suppose that's for another thread.
untermensche
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I agree. Capitalism corrupts.
It is the controls on corruption that exist in the US, not capitalism that is the success.
You agree Haiti's problems are a result of a lack of individual property rights enforcement and weak commitment to the rule of law?
untermensche
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No. Their problems stem from racial prejudice and slavery and constant US interference in their affairs.
Those things are consequences.
Then you shouldn't have said "I agree" when I said there problems were a lack of individual property rights enforcement and weak commitment to the rule of law.
Are there any national economies in the world that are not doing great and its not the US's fault? Which ones?
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If socialism is replaced in Venezuela what will replace it? Why is there reason to suppose that the replacement will perform better than the crony capitalism that has usually existed elsewhere in Latin America?
Having food on the store shelves is usually better than not having it.
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There has always been hunger, and even starvation in third world countries.
untermensche
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What I agreed with is unchecked capitalism leads to massive corruption.
And as I said the US has invaded Haiti several times, one time throwing out the elected leader. The US controlled the Haitian economy outright until 1947.
Haiti is not just any nation in the world.
And neither is Venezuela. Venezuela has oil, the US has far more interest in it's economy than the Haitian economy, but US interference in both cases has disastrous consequences.
So Colombians have long lines at their grocery stores, too?
Derec
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The $755 Condom Pack Is the Latest Indignity in Venezuela
The high price is due to the huge gap between the official and the black market (aka real) exchange rate between the "strong" bolivar and the dollar.
The high price is due to the huge gap between the official and the black market (aka real) exchange rate between the "strong" bolivar and the dollar.
How is this not a gringo plot to punish Venezuelans for their glorious anti-capitalist revolution? Damn you Joe Biden!
Axulus
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How is this not a gringo plot to punish Venezuelans for their glorious anti-capitalist revolution? Damn you Joe Biden!
It's a CIA plot to spread HIV in the country. Joe Biden is behind it somehow.
Their problems are Israel, far more than the west. Other than that, I agree with your observation.
So I guess Venezuela isn't fucked?
arkirk
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Of course you two will agree. You accept regime change from the outside for any country that has a socialist government. You guys are not alone. There is an entire CIA and NSA and FBI and DEA that agrees with you. Never mind that it is their job to keep their job. Their job in Venezuela is skullduggery. You guys simply believe in the religion of oil and profit.
It was the West that invaded and colonized the rest of the world in its mad scramble for resources to maintain industries that have polluted the entire friggin planet. Now, we say to the rest of the world..."You're blaming it all on us when some of it is you." At the same time our government has covert operations around the world and has attempted and at times succeeded in coups and toppling governments that truly were trying to serve their people. Most of the worst activies (most violent operations) are however against dictatorial governments that the U.S. supports because they are friendly to U.S. exploitation of resources or labor in that country. These are unsavory people and eventually the U.S. has to kill a few of them...like Saddam Hussein. You guys have no morals when it comes to your support of predatory capitalism and it seems you are the same when it comes to petrochemical industrialization. You seem unable to see any other way for any other person or country. New technologies are emerging that are going to totally reshape the dynamics of human societies on this planet and you guys just lolligag in the same old talking point support of systems that are in fact dying.
I believe in evidence. Do you have some?
arkirk
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Iran, Iraq, Libya,Syria, Liberia, Egypt, Venezuela, Guatamala, Honduras, Panama, Nicaragua, Columbia, Cuba, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, China, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia, Philippines take your pick. They have all had intensive U.S. intervention intended and sometimes succeeding in overturning their governments. You look up the details. Our country is clinging on to the notion of its hegemony in the entire world...a hegemony of military might combined with clandestine operatives. If you listen to Iranian radio station in the U.S., the CIA openly advertises for people to work for them in Iran in "clandestine operations."
I agree with Martin Luther King on this one. We are a country with no moral constraints on what it does overseas. It hasn't changed since his time.