Columbia University is colluding with the far-right in its attack on students

[laughing dog]

The case seems very iffy. I'm not clicking your link due to likely bias, so I have no idea if it includes what is in the CBC article about the case in 2023. Canada isn't exactly the LCD of morality, so they aren't the best target for claiming they'd protect a murderer. After all, they did arrest him, he was extradited to France. France's own case fell apart.

He was arrested by the RCMP in November 2008 and placed under strict bail conditions until he was extradited to France in 2014. He spent more than three years in prison in France before the case against him collapsed.

He was released in January 2018 after two French judges ruled the evidence against him wasn't strong enough to take to trial. He was never formally charged.

This doesn't mean he isn't guilty, but there seem to be legal issues with the trial.

Compare the two articles.

The one I posted said he was "released to house arrest", not that the case fell apart.

He was tried “in absentia” which is sufficient in my view to suggest less than a fair trial.

The fact that he fled house arrest makes me not too bothered with the tried in absentia bit.

Sure, why be concerned about the fairness of trial fir a suspected terrorist who is a Muslim?

 

[Derec]

More nonsense at US universities.

4 University of Rochester students arrested over 'wanted' posters targeting Jewish staff members

Four students were arrested on felony charges after buildings at the University of Rochester in New York were defaced with "wanted" posters targeting several Jewish faculty members, officials said.
The four students were charged with felony criminal mischief and a fifth is being investigated, Quchee Collins, the university public safety chief, said in a news release Tuesday.
The posters named certain university staff members and professors, alleging war crimes related to the conflict in Gaza, NBC affiliate WHEC of Rochester reported.
Collins said that the incident does not “meet the legal threshold for being a hate crime” but that that could change “over the course of the legal proceedings.”

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Compare the two articles.

The one I posted said he was "released to house arrest", not that the case fell apart.

He was tried “in absentia” which is sufficient in my view to suggest less than a fair trial.

The fact that he fled house arrest makes me not too bothered with the tried in absentia bit.

Sure, why be concerned about the fairness of trial fir a suspected terrorist who is a Muslim?

The point is that he fled rather than face trial. It's not that he's Muslim, but that he sought to avoid facing justice. A suspect has a right to a fair trial--but should not be able to avoid that by not cooperating.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Compare the two articles.

The one I posted said he was "released to house arrest", not that the case fell apart.

He was tried “in absentia” which is sufficient in my view to suggest less than a fair trial.

The fact that he fled house arrest makes me not too bothered with the tried in absentia bit.

Sure, why be concerned about the fairness of trial fir a suspected terrorist who is a Muslim?

The point is that he fled rather than face trial. It's not that he's Muslim, but that he sought to avoid facing justice. A suspect has a right to a fair trial--but should not be able to avoid that by not cooperating.

Dude spent three years in prison without a trial.

 

[laughing dog]

Compare the two articles.

The one I posted said he was "released to house arrest", not that the case fell apart.

He was tried “in absentia” which is sufficient in my view to suggest less than a fair trial.

The fact that he fled house arrest makes me not too bothered with the tried in absentia bit.

Sure, why be concerned about the fairness of trial fir a suspected terrorist who is a Muslim?

The point is that he fled rather than face trial. It's not that he's Muslim, but that he sought to avoid facing justice. A suspect has a right to a fair trial--but should not be able to avoid that by not cooperating.

What does that have to do with obtaining a fair trial? I think in absentia trials are more likely to be unfair.

As Jimmy pointed out, he spent three years in jail. I am sorry but if the state does not have enough evidence to go to trial in 3 years, there is something seriously suspect about the entire process.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

More nonsense at US universities.

4 University of Rochester students arrested over 'wanted' posters targeting Jewish staff members

Four students were arrested on felony charges after buildings at the University of Rochester in New York were defaced with "wanted" posters targeting several Jewish faculty members, officials said.
The four students were charged with felony criminal mischief and a fifth is being investigated, Quchee Collins, the university public safety chief, said in a news release Tuesday.

Jebus Christ! A felony?! What they did was wrong, abhorrent, dishonorable, but a felony? Clearly, it'll plead down (hopefully plead down) with some community service maybe with connections to the anti-defamation league. But a felony is really steep for what they did. A person's life is changed forever with a felony conviction. They need to be taught why what they did was reckless, stupid, and dishonorable. Not be given a scarlet letter.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Compare the two articles.

The one I posted said he was "released to house arrest", not that the case fell apart.

He was tried “in absentia” which is sufficient in my view to suggest less than a fair trial.

The fact that he fled house arrest makes me not too bothered with the tried in absentia bit.

Sure, why be concerned about the fairness of trial fir a suspected terrorist who is a Muslim?

The point is that he fled rather than face trial. It's not that he's Muslim, but that he sought to avoid facing justice. A suspect has a right to a fair trial--but should not be able to avoid that by not cooperating.

Dude spent three years in prison without a trial.

Which proves nothing. For that to be relevant you need to consider why the delay--which is something we have no information on.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The point is that he fled rather than face trial. It's not that he's Muslim, but that he sought to avoid facing justice. A suspect has a right to a fair trial--but should not be able to avoid that by not cooperating.

Dude spent three years in prison without a trial.

Which proves nothing. For that to be relevant you need to consider why the delay--which is something we have no information on.

Loren, I want people responsible for murder to be held accountable. Unlike your unfair characterization of some in here, I don't particularly care about who the assailant or victim are. Killing is killing.

My problem with your characterization of this guy is you flavored it like a guy who fled from justice and Canada allowed it. You didn't temper your statements with the fact that Canada apprehended and sent him to France. You didn't temper it by indicating he was in prison for three years and then released while it took forever to get the case to court. Lets be clear, Canada likely thought France had a case if they extradited him to France. But then France couldn't even muster a case to put before the courts.

None of this indicates his innocence or guilt. But it grays things up quite a bit from the Canada is hiding a man who fled from justice retort you made <-- paraphrased.

 

[laughing dog]

Compare the two articles.

The one I posted said he was "released to house arrest", not that the case fell apart.

He was tried “in absentia” which is sufficient in my view to suggest less than a fair trial.

The fact that he fled house arrest makes me not too bothered with the tried in absentia bit.

Sure, why be concerned about the fairness of trial fir a suspected terrorist who is a Muslim?

The point is that he fled rather than face trial. It's not that he's Muslim, but that he sought to avoid facing justice. A suspect has a right to a fair trial--but should not be able to avoid that by not cooperating.

Dude spent three years in prison without a trial.

Which proves nothing. For that to be relevant you need to consider why the delay--which is something we have no information on.

If you had read Jimmy's link, you'd know that

He was arrested by the RCMP in November 2008 and placed under strict bail conditions until he was extradited to France in 2014. He spent more than three years in prison in France before the case against him collapsed.

He was released in January 2018 after two French judges ruled the evidence against him wasn't strong enough to take to trial. He was never formally charged.

So, he spent 3 years in a French prison even though there were no formal charges.

Moreover, from Jimmy's link

The key physical evidence Canada relied on in extraditing Diab to France was handwriting analysis linking Diab's handwriting to that of the suspected bomber. Canadian government lawyers acting on France's behalf called it a "smoking gun" in the extradition hearing.

But in 2009, Diab's legal team produced contrary reports from four international handwriting experts. These experts questioned the methods and conclusions of the French experts. They also proved that some of the handwriting samples used by the French analysts belonged not to Diab but to his ex-wife.

Further more

France was aware of — and failed to disclose — fingerprint evidence that ultimately helped to clear Hassan Diab of committing a terrorist attack when it made its formal extradition request to Canada, CBC News has learned.

French officials did not share fingerprint comparison evidence in their possession with their Canadian counterparts. In fact, court documents show French prosecutors denied the evidence even existed.

(From France tells Canada key evidence does not exist)





I don't know whether Mr. Daib is innocent or guilty but it seems to me that the case against Mr. Diab is weak.

 

[Derec]

College student allegedly plotted 'mass casualty attack' targeting Jews

A Virginia college student is accused of plotting a "mass casualty attack" on the Consulate General of Israel in New York, according to court records.
The FBI arrested Abdullah Ezzeldin Taha Mohamed Hassan, 18, a student at George Mason University, this week in connection with the alleged plot targeting Jews, court records show.
[...]
The [X] account, which the FBI says it linked to Hassan, made posts in support of ISIS and al-Qaeda, according to the affidavit. Investigators say they also linked two other radical X accounts to Hassan, according to the affidavit.

Originally from Egypt.

George Mason is not among the most "progressive" of universities, but they do have an active (and rabid) SJP chapter.
George Mason University Suspends Students for Justice in Palestine, Pursues Criminal Investigations of Members

George Mason University (GMU) has reportedly suspended its Students for Justice in Palestine chapter and pursued a criminal investigation of two female members who are suspected of being involved in an incident of property destruction.
According to a statement by SJP, the suspension followed George Mason Police and Safety Headquarter’s execution of a warrant to search a home shared by the students — who are sisters, as well as SJP’s current co-president and a former president — a measure reportedly aided by the Fairfax County Police Department. Following the search, GMU reportedly criminally trespassed the students subjected to it for as many as four years and revoked SJP’s university recognition.
Earlier this week, the Washington Post reported that the search uncovered “four weapons unsecured, along with more than 20 magazines with 30 bullets each,” Hamas paraphernalia, and “arm patches” which said “kill them where they stand” — a phrase others have translated as “kill Jews where they stand.” The weapons are reportedly owned by the students’ father and brother, and since being found, the Office of the Fairfax Commonwealth’s Attorney has petitioned to bar the men from purchasing anymore arms and ammunition. A judge has denied that request, however.

It's unrelated to the above case.

 

[Derec]

More nonsense at Barnard College (affiliated with Columbia).

Pro-Palestinian student protesters clash with Barnard College staff during sit-in to protest student expulsions

A small group of pro-Palestinian student demonstrators occupied a building at Barnard College’s Manhattan campus Wednesday, clashing with staff and sending one employee to the hospital, the school said.
The demonstration, organized by Columbia University Apartheid Divest, was part of a week of action demanding the reinstatement of two students expelled for disrupting an Israeli history course last month.
Nearly 100 students from Barnard and Columbia University – which is affiliated with Barnard and was a focal point of pro-Palestinian demonstrations last year – staged a sit-in at Barnard’s Milbank Hall, Columbia University Apartheid Divest said on social media.

Those students who committed violence should be prosecuted, but I doubt Alvin Bragg will do the right thing here.

All this happened because Barnard expelled two students for disrupting a class.
Barnard expels two activists who disrupted Columbia Israel history class

Two Barnard College students were expelled for allegedly disrupting and protesting a Columbia University Israel history class, Columbia University Apartheid Divest said.
The alleged expulsions for the January 21 incident, according to anti-Israel student activist group CUAD, would represent the first official expulsions of Columbia affiliate students for pro-Palestinian campus protests. In response, CUAD said on X/Twitter, it would organize a week of activism from Monday until Thursday.
[...]
“When uninvited visitors enter classrooms with the intention of interfering with learning – let alone when they target specific courses, communities, or individuals – they betray the very principles of intellectual exchange that underpin our community,” said Barnard College President Laura Ann Rosenbury.

Well said.

 

[laughing dog]

More nonsense at Barnard College (affiliated with Columbia).

Pro-Palestinian student protesters clash with Barnard College staff during sit-in to protest student expulsions

A small group of pro-Palestinian student demonstrators occupied a building at Barnard College’s Manhattan campus Wednesday, clashing with staff and sending one employee to the hospital, the school said.
The demonstration, organized by Columbia University Apartheid Divest, was part of a week of action demanding the reinstatement of two students expelled for disrupting an Israeli history course last month.
Nearly 100 students from Barnard and Columbia University – which is affiliated with Barnard and was a focal point of pro-Palestinian demonstrations last year – staged a sit-in at Barnard’s Milbank Hall, Columbia University Apartheid Divest said on social media.

Those students who committed violence should be prosecuted, but I doubt Alvin Bragg will do the right thing here.

All this happened because Barnard expelled two students for disrupting a class.
Barnard expels two activists who disrupted Columbia Israel history class

Two Barnard College students were expelled for allegedly disrupting and protesting a Columbia University Israel history class, Columbia University Apartheid Divest said.
The alleged expulsions for the January 21 incident, according to anti-Israel student activist group CUAD, would represent the first official expulsions of Columbia affiliate students for pro-Palestinian campus protests. In response, CUAD said on X/Twitter, it would organize a week of activism from Monday until Thursday.
[...]
“When uninvited visitors enter classrooms with the intention of interfering with learning – let alone when they target specific courses, communities, or individuals – they betray the very principles of intellectual exchange that underpin our community,” said Barnard College President Laura Ann Rosenbury.

Well said.

I would hope there was more than mere “disruption” because expulsion for disrupting a single class seems draconian to me.

 

[Politesse]

More nonsense at Barnard College (affiliated with Columbia).

Pro-Palestinian student protesters clash with Barnard College staff during sit-in to protest student expulsions

A small group of pro-Palestinian student demonstrators occupied a building at Barnard College’s Manhattan campus Wednesday, clashing with staff and sending one employee to the hospital, the school said.
The demonstration, organized by Columbia University Apartheid Divest, was part of a week of action demanding the reinstatement of two students expelled for disrupting an Israeli history course last month.
Nearly 100 students from Barnard and Columbia University – which is affiliated with Barnard and was a focal point of pro-Palestinian demonstrations last year – staged a sit-in at Barnard’s Milbank Hall, Columbia University Apartheid Divest said on social media.

Those students who committed violence should be prosecuted, but I doubt Alvin Bragg will do the right thing here.

All this happened because Barnard expelled two students for disrupting a class.
Barnard expels two activists who disrupted Columbia Israel history class

Two Barnard College students were expelled for allegedly disrupting and protesting a Columbia University Israel history class, Columbia University Apartheid Divest said.
The alleged expulsions for the January 21 incident, according to anti-Israel student activist group CUAD, would represent the first official expulsions of Columbia affiliate students for pro-Palestinian campus protests. In response, CUAD said on X/Twitter, it would organize a week of activism from Monday until Thursday.
[...]
“When uninvited visitors enter classrooms with the intention of interfering with learning – let alone when they target specific courses, communities, or individuals – they betray the very principles of intellectual exchange that underpin our community,” said Barnard College President Laura Ann Rosenbury.

Well said.

I would hope there was more than mere “disruption” because expulsion for disrupting a single class seems draconian to me.

Especially if you're expelling "uninvited visitors", as opposed to registered students. Remind me of how expulsion works for a non-student, do you have to register them first and then expel them, or just hand them a piece of paper that says, "You're expelled, citizen"?

 

[TomC]

Especially if you're expelling "uninvited visitors", as opposed to registered students.

Registered students and "uninvited visitors" are not mutually exclusive terms.
Tom

 

[GenesisNemesis]

More nonsense at Barnard College (affiliated with Columbia).

Pro-Palestinian student protesters clash with Barnard College staff during sit-in to protest student expulsions

A small group of pro-Palestinian student demonstrators occupied a building at Barnard College’s Manhattan campus Wednesday, clashing with staff and sending one employee to the hospital, the school said.
The demonstration, organized by Columbia University Apartheid Divest, was part of a week of action demanding the reinstatement of two students expelled for disrupting an Israeli history course last month.
Nearly 100 students from Barnard and Columbia University – which is affiliated with Barnard and was a focal point of pro-Palestinian demonstrations last year – staged a sit-in at Barnard’s Milbank Hall, Columbia University Apartheid Divest said on social media.

Those students who committed violence should be prosecuted, but I doubt Alvin Bragg will do the right thing here.

All this happened because Barnard expelled two students for disrupting a class.
Barnard expels two activists who disrupted Columbia Israel history class

Two Barnard College students were expelled for allegedly disrupting and protesting a Columbia University Israel history class, Columbia University Apartheid Divest said.
The alleged expulsions for the January 21 incident, according to anti-Israel student activist group CUAD, would represent the first official expulsions of Columbia affiliate students for pro-Palestinian campus protests. In response, CUAD said on X/Twitter, it would organize a week of activism from Monday until Thursday.
[...]
“When uninvited visitors enter classrooms with the intention of interfering with learning – let alone when they target specific courses, communities, or individuals – they betray the very principles of intellectual exchange that underpin our community,” said Barnard College President Laura Ann Rosenbury.

Well said.

I would hope there was more than mere “disruption” because expulsion for disrupting a single class seems draconian to me.

Nothing is too draconian for conservative dipshits.

 

[TomC]

Nothing is too draconian for conservative dipshits.

What does "conservative" mean in that sentence?
Tom

 

[Politesse]

Nothing is too draconian for conservative dipshits.

Conservative? The idea of Columbia being anything other than a hivemind of Woke ideologues is inconceivable to the modern "conservative". Barnard was one of the first reputable colleges to award advanced degrees to women and non-Whites. The concept of cultural relativism was born there. They will never be forgiven. No matter what choices its administration makes, no matter how many student heads they crack, the indelible stink of intellectual liberation cannot be washed off.

 

[laughing dog]

Nothing is too draconian for conservative dipshits.

What does "conservative" mean in that sentence?
Tom

Probably what it means in every sentence.

The GOP has raised such a hullabaloo over antisemitism in colleges that they have cowered many administrations into over-reacting.

Something that most people outside of academia don't quite grasp is that universities and colleges tend to be extremely sensitive to public sentiment, especially the prospect of negative or adverse publicity. Nothing quite frightens an University President more than negative "optics".

 

[TomC]

Probably what it means in every sentence.

I grew up in the "Nation of Immigrants". I am conservative, I still believe in that.

Nobody who wants to get rid of immigrants, IMNSHO, are "conservative". They are, at best, "progressive". They want to Progress beyond our heritage.

Yeah, fuck those Teaparty progressives. Totally scum. Democrats are not very different.
Bring back the Nation of Immigrants.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Probably what it means in every sentence.

I grew up in the "Nation of Immigrants". I am conservative, I still believe in that.

Nobody who wants to get rid of immigrants, IMNSHO, are "conservative". They are, at best, "progressive". They want to Progress beyond our heritage.

Yeah, fuck those Teaparty progressives. Totally scum. Democrats are not very different.
Bring back the Nation of Immigrants.
Tom

I miss the connection with the actual discussion about expelling students for disrupting a class.