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If they act like partisan hacks, then they deserve to be called partisan hacks.

What do you mean by “partisan hacks”?

What specifically did “they” do that constitutes as “partisan hack”?

Or is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion? The Left and Right are known for deriding opinions of the court as “partisan” because of, ostensibly for some but in fact for others, disapproval of the decision.
The right-wing justices have broken with Precedence like it didn't mean anything. Their ruling on Loper-Bright, reversing Chevron was nothing but a power grab away from the branch that is supposed to Execute the law. Alito did some creative writing exercise and a rather poor look into history when they killed Dobbs, and then leaving it somewhat unresolved, while Thomas was fantasizing about ending Obgerfell and Griswold. In the Trump case, they went well beyond the scope of the actual case and then gave POTUS monarch like power. And finally, CJ Roberts didn't want to hear about issues like "standing" in a case that they (the right-wing) wanted to intervene in.

The SCOTUS bench is doing as it pleases, and is giving little care to principles that have made SCOTUS viable in our Government.
 
is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion?
No, it’s because they are partisan hacks helping Cheato destroy democracy.
Some people want that. Are you one of them?
 
people bitch sbout the court making sure qe had justice independent of the public or political whim . But rhe problem is that what is just is simply a matter of opinion to begin with. no matter what you do the judges are going to rule on their whim. And we have enough evidence to know they are bribed, if not directly then indirectly through favors and gifts to family, ect. And it isnt the poor and middle class giving those bribes either
 
people bitch sbout the court making sure qe had justice independent of the public or political whim . But rhe problem is that what is just is simply a matter of opinion to begin with. no matter what you do the judges are going to rule on their whim. And we have enough evidence to know they are bribed, if not directly then indirectly through favors and gifts to family, ect. And it isnt the poor and middle class giving those bribes either
I think there needs to be a particular distinction here. I don't believe for a moment any of the justice on the court are being bribed to rule as such for any particular case. They are being compensated to endure sitting on the bench so that they can get some bonus moolah that they would have seen in the private sector, so that they can rule as they would have otherwise. These people were selected for a reason. Thomas, Alito, Barrett, Gorsuch weren't selected to serve on the court because of their open-minded judicial backgrounds.

Moral issues of accepting payments while ruling on cases that directly involved their contributors would be an issue. But I'd say that the underlying undercutting of regulatory powers being too broad allows them to rule in their contributors' favor without doing it quite as directly. It isn't very ethical, but I don't think any of these justices has ruled outside where they were expected to rule when they were selected to sit on the bench.
 
What did they expect?

On Thursday, Samuel Alito became the fifth of the nine justices to speak out, denouncing critics he said were seeking to portray the court as "sneaky" and "sinister" in an attempt "to intimidate" the justices.

Alito told a Notre Dame Law School audience that the court has been wrongly cast as "a dangerous cabal ... deciding important issues in a novel, secretive, improper way, in the middle of the night."
Barring the condition of literal nightfall (which presumably occurs after the bedtimes of Thomas and Alito), that is literally how they have been using (and abusing) the shadow docket since around 2017, and it has only been getting worse.

Then Amy Coney Barrett's speech at the McConnell Center of the University of Louisville in Kentucky. Mitch McConnell himself introduced her, at that place that was named after him. He had successfully obstructed Barack Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, something that he once chuckled over. He also got ACB in the court shortly before the Nov-2020 election.
"My goal today is to convince you that the court is not comprised of a bunch of partisan hacks," Barrett told the audience.
If that was her goal, she failed utterly at achieving her goal. Reminds me of a few years back, when they tried to assuage fears of unethical conduct by publishing a new code of ethical conduct for the Court... that was vague, non-binding, and transparently self-serving.

Justice Clarence Thomas at the Notre Dame Law School last month:
"I think the media makes it sound as though you are just always going right to your personal preferences," Thomas said. "If they think you're anti-abortion or something personally, they think that's the way you'll always come out."
Because he does! He has. People "doing their own research" on his record will find that Thomas has been emboldened by the current composition of the Court to rule exactly as his ideology would suggest to for the last three years now at least.
 
people bitch sbout the court making sure qe had justice independent of the public or political whim . But rhe problem is that what is just is simply a matter of opinion to begin with. no matter what you do the judges are going to rule on their whim. And we have enough evidence to know they are bribed, if not directly then indirectly through favors and gifts to family, ect. And it isnt the poor and middle class giving those bribes either
I think there needs to be a particular distinction here. I don't believe for a moment any of the justice on the court are being bribed to rule as such for any particular case. They are being compensated to endure sitting on the bench so that they can get some bonus moolah that they would have seen in the private sector, so that they can rule as they would have otherwise. These people were selected for a reason. Thomas, Alito, Barrett, Gorsuch weren't selected to serve on the court because of their open-minded judicial backgrounds.

Moral issues of accepting payments while ruling on cases that directly involved their contributors would be an issue. But I'd say that the underlying undercutting of regulatory powers being too broad allows them to rule in their contributors' favor without doing it quite as directly. It isn't very ethical, but I don't think any of these justices has ruled outside where they were expected to rule when they were selected to sit on the bench.
I think you are underestimating the impact of cumulative hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gifts, vacations, meals, and house stays. Friendships can be bought, and friendship with a Supreme Court judge was always what the influence peddlers involved in these cases were selling. Why buy an outcome on a specific case, when you can buy a permanent state of access and influence on the judge? Bribing them per judgement would just reveal the game and open them to legal liability. Bribing a judge into a genuinely close social relationship - where their wives are friends, they buy christmas presents for each other's dogs, and their kids refer to some lobbyist as their uncle - does not open them to the same kind of liability, and they thought they could avoid media scrutiny as well. Because they're all old as dust, and haven't caught on yet that the internet exists. Their new level of exposure to the public is something they are obviously struggling with.

Now, if you're suggesting that these judges would all have ruled exactly the same if members of extremist religious organizations weren't dominating much of their time and social life? I profoundly disagree. Without this network of slow drip bribes, gifts, and favors, the Justices in question would be ideologically conservative, yes, but not in lock step with Trump. Of the pack of them, I'd say Neil Gorsuch is one member of the conservative faction who (usually) demonstrates what a deeply conservative but not altogether bought judge might look like. He is sometimes considered more "moderate" but that isn't because he is actually more liberal than his counterparts, or even that he is less willing to accept bribes and favors, only that on certain issues he has occasionally sided with law over party. There was a time I would have said the same for Justice Roberts, but that era has passed.

Or even if they would have ruled exactly the same ways without any of these purchased friendships as a factor, that still does not excuse their accepting (or refusing to report) the bribes they've been given to do so. Even if I was planning to give a student an A anyway, that doesn't make it any more legal for me to accept a $60 bottle of wine from them before grades are submitted. It's still a bad idea to accept bribes even if you imagine yourself to be "strong enough" not to be infleunced by them; you aren't, for one, but also it opens up a very reasonable avenue for doubt about the bias of the Court, even if the implied influence is truly illusory. If you were pressing a dubious lawsuit and you saw the judge out for an expensive dinner with the defendant, wouldn't you want to know why?
 
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people bitch sbout the court making sure qe had justice independent of the public or political whim . But rhe problem is that what is just is simply a matter of opinion to begin with. no matter what you do the judges are going to rule on their whim. And we have enough evidence to know they are bribed, if not directly then indirectly through favors and gifts to family, ect. And it isnt the poor and middle class giving those bribes either
I think there needs to be a particular distinction here. I don't believe for a moment any of the justice on the court are being bribed to rule as such for any particular case. They are being compensated to endure sitting on the bench so that they can get some bonus moolah that they would have seen in the private sector, so that they can rule as they would have otherwise. These people were selected for a reason. Thomas, Alito, Barrett, Gorsuch weren't selected to serve on the court because of their open-minded judicial backgrounds.

Moral issues of accepting payments while ruling on cases that directly involved their contributors would be an issue. But I'd say that the underlying undercutting of regulatory powers being too broad allows them to rule in their contributors' favor without doing it quite as directly. It isn't very ethical, but I don't think any of these justices has ruled outside where they were expected to rule when they were selected to sit on the bench.
I think you are underestimating the impact of cumulative hundreds of thousands of dollars woth of gifts, vacations, meals, and house stays. Friendships can be bought, and friendship with a Supreme Court judge was always what the influence peddlers involved in these cases were selling. Why buy an outcome on a specific case, when you can buy a permanent state of access and influence on the judge? Bribing them per judgement would just reveal the game and open them to legal liability. Bribing a judge into a genuinely close social relationship - where their wives are friends, they buy christmas presents for each other's dogs, and their kids refer to some lobbyist as their uncle - does not open them to the same kind of liability, and they thought they could avoid media scrutiny as well. Because they're all old as dust, and haven't caught on yet that the internet exists. Their new level of exposure to the public is something they are obviously struggling with.

Now, if you're suggesting that these judges would all have ruled exactly the same if far right groups weren't controlling much of their time and access to information and ideology?
The payments are to keep their asses on the bench. I'm not claiming it is ethical, I'm saying I don't think the word "bribe" is as accurate as being portrayed. Sen. Whitehouse did a great job explaining the massive organization out there that is breeding these justices to even get into the Federal bench. then appellate courts.
 
Exactly. We went through 46 Presidents before we realized that Presidents need extra immunity that no other American enjoys. The Constitution writers had that as their original intent; it just took some determined sleuthing to find it.
Irony and sarcasm seldom go over well online, but I am sure this was intended to be that
 
Exactly. We went through 46 Presidents before we realized that Presidents need extra immunity that no other American enjoys. The Constitution writers had that as their original intent; it just took some determined sleuthing to find it.
Irony and sarcasm seldom go over well online, but I am sure this was intended to be that
I know mine and mine know me.
 
If they act like partisan hacks, then they deserve to be called partisan hacks.

What do you mean by “partisan hacks”?

What specifically did “they” do that constitutes as “partisan hack”?

Or is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion? The Left and Right are known for deriding opinions of the court as “partisan” because of, ostensibly for some but in fact for others, disapproval of the decision.
The right-wing justices have broken with Precedence like it didn't mean anything. Their ruling on Loper-Bright, reversing Chevron was nothing but a power grab away from the branch that is supposed to Execute the law. Alito did some creative writing exercise and a rather poor look into history when they killed Dobbs, and then leaving it somewhat unresolved, while Thomas was fantasizing about ending Obgerfell and Griswold. In the Trump case, they went well beyond the scope of the actual case and then gave POTUS monarch like power. And finally, CJ Roberts didn't want to hear about issues like "standing" in a case that they (the right-wing) wanted to intervene in.
The right-wing justices have broken with Precedence like it didn't mean anything.
Surely if you’re capitalizing for dramatic emphasis you can use the correct word of “precedent.”

Their ruling on Loper-Bright, reversing Chevron was nothing but a power grab away from the branch that is supposed to Execute the law.

You undoubtedly disagree with the opinion. You’re disagreement doesn’t render the decision “nothing but a power grab away from the branch that is supposed to Execute the law.” After all, the case involved the overall question of which entity determines what the laws says, including an ambiguity in the law, and the Court affirms its the judiciary, not the agency within the executive branch. “But the Court did not extend similar deference to agency resolutions of questions of law. It instead made clear, repeatedly, that “[t]he interpretation of the meaning of statutes, as applied to justiciable controversies,” was “exclusively a judicial function.”

The APA Section 706, rather than deprive, diminish, or transfer the judiciary’s authority to determine what the law says, affirms judicial authority to determine what the law says.
“To the extent necessary to decision and when presented, the reviewing court shall decide all relevant questions of law, interpret constitutional and statutory provisions, and determine the meaning or applicability of the terms of an agency action. The reviewing court shall—…
(2)hold unlawful and set aside agency action, findings, and conclusions found to be—
(A)
arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law;
(B)
contrary to constitutional right, power, privilege, or immunity;
(C)
in excess of statutory jurisdiction, authority, or limitations, or short of statutory right;” 5 U.S.C. 706

The majority did not neglect to observe the APA, 5, United State Code Section 706, affirmed judicial authority to determine what the law says. “The APA thus codifies for agency cases the unremarkable, yet elemental proposition reflected by judicial practice dating back to Marbury: that courts decide legal questions by applying their own judgment.”

In other words, the decision wasn’t a “power grab away” from the agency because under the Constitution the agency was never granted the authority to determine what the law says.

Alito did some creative writing exercise and a rather poor look into history when they killed Dobbs

No, this ^^ was the decision of Roe v Wade.
In Roe, the majority relied upon a judicially created doctrine to arrive at a meaning of the Due Process Clause in the 14th Amendment that protects abortion as a privacy right within the concept of Liberty of the DPC, contrary to the long understood meaning of Due Prcoess Clause.
Perhaps you’ve heard or read of this judicially created doctrine recognizing the existence of unenumerated rights in the text of the Constitution that where the text does not support such an interpretation. The judicial doctrine, infamously known to many conservatives, whereas lovingly embraced by many liberals and moderates, is Substantive Due Process.

The long historical meaning of the phrase Due Process originates by first appearing in a 1354 English statute (“No man of what state or condition he be, shall be put out of his lands or tenements nor taken, nor disinherited, nor put to death, without he be brought to answer by due process of law”). Sir Edward Coke, commenting upon the phrase Due Process of Law in the “Institutes of the Laws of England” spilled ink to explain the DPC referred to the procedural safeguards for the deprivation of rights and liberties, such the procedural protections for the deprivation of rights and liberties enumerated in the Magna Charta. “No free man shall be taken or imprisoned or deprived of his freehold or his liberties or free customs, or outlawed or exiled, or in any manner destroyed, nor shall we come upon him or send against him, except by a legal judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.” See Magna Charta.

For the sake of brevity, and avoid potentially boring you with several centuries of English judicial, American colonial and early U.S. judicial, development of the meaning of Due Process, the clause referred to procedural protections to deprive rights and liberties. After all the plain text the legal authority to take away life, liberty, and property. “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” 14th Amendment. The plain text necessarily acknowledges the authority of the State to take away those three rights where due process is followed to do so. Roe and its progeny of recognizing unenumerated rights and elevating them beyond the reach of procedural protections simply doesn’t adhere to the plain text or historical meaning of Due Process.

The Dobbs majority, contrary to your assertion, invoked historical evidence to sufficiently arrive at a historical meaning contrary to Roe.

Are you familiar with the Lawrence v Texas decision? This case ignored years of its own precedent, decades of its own precedent, to recognize a privacy interest within the Liberty Clause of the 14th Amendment DPC. See opinion here https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZO.html

The Lawrence decision fits within your parameter of “creative writing exercise and a rather poor look into history” as it overturned a 17 year old precedent of Bowers v Hardwick. Based upon your parameters there’s a reasonable expectation you’ll have similar derision for the disdain for the “breaking of Precedence like it didn’t mean anything.”

The SCOTUS bench is doing as it pleases, and is giving little care to principles that have made SCOTUS viable in our Government.

Nothing you posted makes this demonstration and the conspicuous lack of a substantive support for your post presently resigns me to at least tentatively conclude your objection is the decisions are contrary to your own beliefs, as opposed to any substantive objection rooted in the text, language, and meaning of the law(s) itself.

This isn’t to deny SCOTUS conservatives as “partisan hacks” as I can’t show such a negative. However, these decisions do not demonstrate “partisan hacks” as at least two of those decisions you reference have a reasonably sound foundation within the text and meaning of the law(s). In other words, they reached a meaning/interpretation of the law consistent and in adherence to discovering and discerning what the law says. As opposed to a meaning and interpretation not supported by the plain text and historical understanding and conjured within the mind of a justice and inspired/conceived because of their own personal/political/ideological beliefs.

***The immunity decision has flaws, one such flaw is departure from notion of a presumption of immunity/privilbe which can be rebutted.****
 
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is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion?
No, it’s because they are partisan hacks helping Cheato destroy democracy.
Some people want that. Are you one of them?

Thank you kindly for regurgitating the claim. I’m well aware of the claim. I suspect many others having read this thread are well aware of the claim. The natural progression is to substantiate the claim. Repetition of the claim is a broken record.
 
is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion?
No, it’s because they are partisan hacks helping Cheato destroy democracy.
Some people want that. Are you one of them?

Thank you kindly for regurgitating the claim. I’m well aware of the claim. I suspect many others having read this thread are well aware of the claim. The natural progression is to substantiate the claim. Repetition of the claim is a broken record.
I live on the otherside of the planet and I can break down into crayons for you. The people who wrote the US Constitution very much did not believe in the divine right of Kings. The current S(r)COTUS with their ruling giving Presidents immunity flies in the face of that and is antithetical to democracy. That you are hiding behind passive aggressive semantic word games makes me almost certain that you realise that - but because it is your tribe doing it, you support it.

Let me guess, you're going to respond with "When did I say that?" or some other 14 year old edgelord bullshit, right?
 
is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion?
No, it’s because they are partisan hacks helping Cheato destroy democracy.
Some people want that. Are you one of them?

Thank you kindly for regurgitating the claim. I’m well aware of the claim. I suspect many others having read this thread are well aware of the claim. The natural progression is to substantiate the claim. Repetition of the claim is a broken record.
I live on the otherside of the planet and I can break down into crayons for you. The people who wrote the US Constitution very much did not believe in the divine right of Kings. The current S(r)COTUS with their ruling giving Presidents immunity flies in the face of that and is antithetical to democracy. That you are hiding behind passive aggressive semantic word games makes me almost certain that you realise that - but because it is your tribe doing it, you support it.

Let me guess, you're going to respond with "When did I say that?" or some other 14 year old edgelord bullshit, right?
I live on the otherside of the planet and I can break down into crayons for you.

A location lacking crayons because your reply neither “break down” anything for me and certainly not “into crayons for you.”

You’ve not responded substantively to my post, and your commentary pertaining to my remark of the immunity case doesn’t refute what I did present substantively regarding the immunity case. What you stated regarding the immunity case is not contradictory to nor inconsistent with what I did state.

The only teenage angst post is your own, with the oh so persuasive use of expletives and ad hominems.

Could have spared yourself whatever amount of time by just attacking me personally with much less words but keep the expletives.
 
is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion?
No, it’s because they are partisan hacks helping Cheato destroy democracy.
Some people want that. Are you one of them?

Thank you kindly for regurgitating the claim. I’m well aware of the claim. I suspect many others having read this thread are well aware of the claim. The natural progression is to substantiate the claim. Repetition of the claim is a broken record.
I live on the otherside of the planet and I can break down into crayons for you. The people who wrote the US Constitution very much did not believe in the divine right of Kings. The current S(r)COTUS with their ruling giving Presidents immunity flies in the face of that and is antithetical to democracy. That you are hiding behind passive aggressive semantic word games makes me almost certain that you realise that - but because it is your tribe doing it, you support it.

Let me guess, you're going to respond with "When did I say that?" or some other 14 year old edgelord bullshit, right?
This guy just rolled straight into this thread, and I swear I have the feeling of DejaVu.
 
is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion?
No, it’s because they are partisan hacks helping Cheato destroy democracy.
Some people want that. Are you one of them?

Thank you kindly for regurgitating the claim. I’m well aware of the claim. I suspect many others having read this thread are well aware of the claim. The natural progression is to substantiate the claim. Repetition of the claim is a broken record.
You forgot to answer my question.
Are you one of them?
 
is this essentially “partisan hacks” because you dislike or disagree with the opinion?
No, it’s because they are partisan hacks helping Cheato destroy democracy.
Some people want that. Are you one of them?

Thank you kindly for regurgitating the claim. I’m well aware of the claim. I suspect many others having read this thread are well aware of the claim. The natural progression is to substantiate the claim. Repetition of the claim is a broken record.
I live on the otherside of the planet and I can break down into crayons for you. The people who wrote the US Constitution very much did not believe in the divine right of Kings. The current S(r)COTUS with their ruling giving Presidents immunity flies in the face of that and is antithetical to democracy. That you are hiding behind passive aggressive semantic word games makes me almost certain that you realise that - but because it is your tribe doing it, you support it.

Let me guess, you're going to respond with "When did I say that?" or some other 14 year old edgelord bullshit, right?
This guy just rolled straight into this thread, and I swear I have the feeling of DejaVu.
I do some lurking in some far right forums. To be fair, they all sound like this - there isn't a lot of diversity.
 
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