Hate is on the rise around the world

[TSwizzle]

The problem is I'm getting old. So I remember Xians blowing up other Xians in England. I remember Xians murdering children in a daycare in Oklahoma City. I remember a Xian bombing the Olympics in Atlanta.

Maybe I’m older than you but I remember muslims murdering people in New York on 9/11 or in Lockerbie in 1988. Do you not remember that?

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Why so much hatred? How did this happen?

I don’t know, maybe you should ask this guy?

A Syrian asylum seeker who viciously stabbed a 14-year-old boy to death and knifed several others was seen 'laughing' as he went on a rampage through an Austrian city. The 23-year-old man, named locally as Ahmad G., allegedly shouted 'Allahu Akbar' before launching into a vicious attack just before 4pm on Saturday afternoon. Spine-chilling images captured the suspect was seen grinning at police officers while they surrounded him with weapons during his arrest in Villach, near the borders with Italy and Slovenia.

Daily Mail

Ahhh, yes, alt right tabloid media is a big contributor. Good point.

If you don’t want to sully your browser with the Daily Mail you can always read about the islamic attack on the leftist, progressive BBC.

BBC

Even Teh Gruaniad covered it.

It is widely known by people who actually analyze media that the BBC used to be fairly neutral, but in 21st century has become a spokes front for the Tories and right wing interests.

The problem is I'm getting old. So I remember Xians blowing up other Xians in England. I remember Xians murdering children in a daycare in Oklahoma City. I remember a Xian bombing the Olympics in Atlanta.

Maybe I’m older than you but I remember muslims murdering people in New York on 9/11 or in Lockerbie in 1988. Do you not remember that?

The impression I have gotten from what you have said in previous posts is that you are young. Is that not true?

 

[Elixir]

The problem is I'm getting old. So I remember Xians blowing up other Xians in England. I remember Xians murdering children in a daycare in Oklahoma City. I remember a Xian bombing the Olympics in Atlanta.

Maybe I’m older than you but I remember muslims murdering people in New York on 9/11 or in Lockerbie in 1988. Do you not remember that?

I’m so old I remember when Nazis had been defeated and Russia was the enemy.
America was great.
MAGA.

 

[Elixir]

Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans are to report having ended a friendship over a political disagreement (20 percent vs. 10 percent). Political liberals are also far more likely than conservatives are to say they are no longer friends with someone due to political differences (28 percent vs. 10 percent, respectively).

Possibly because Republicans are a lot more detached (at least IME). ... The notion that there could be a threat from fascism - or anything on the right - just flat out doesn't register.

And this distinguishes them from progressives, how? It looks to me like the notion that there could be a threat from socialism - or anything on the left - just flat out doesn't register.

At least the conservatives have identified The Enemy Within®!

And? Take a look at PD. About 90% of the threads are devoted to progressives having identified The Enemy Within®!

I have picked out a few well intended (I believe) republicans on FB with whom I cultivate a speaking relationship, and bite my tongue when tempted to tell them they have been fed full of bull..., or to point out factual errors.

Good for you -- people need to get out of their echo chambers. My Republican friends tell me they're biting their tongues constantly too when tempted to tell Democrats they've been fed bull and point out factual errors. It's not worth losing a friend over. Leftists have a well-earned reputation for cutting friends off for heresy.

On another day or year I might indulge all that fancied up “both sides” crap. But I’ve been around the block too many times to not notice that one of these things is not like the other. And my tongue is getting tired of being bitten.

Republicans used to Revere democracy even if they hated commie Democrats. Democrats respected Republicans even if they hated John Birchers. and critically, both parties generally agreed on who our friends and enemies were. Of course there were exceptions, but never did those disagreeing with the ultimate decisions attempt to violently impose their will. Nor did decorum degrade do drastically that parties were calling for the arrest and imprisonment of “the enemy from within”.

The post-truth era didn’t really bloom until the Clinton impeachment, where for the first time we saw a president lie straight up ON TV! to god, America and everybody, and get away with it! Bushbaby messed up the economy, and appointed Alito and Roberts, beginning the perversion of the SC, but everyone was still in fairly close agreement about who our friends were. Then the tea party took over the GOP and Republicans have been the flag bearers of anti-truth ever since, culminating in a felonious lying rapist convincing almost half the electorate that what we saw happen didn’t happen.
And now we have him as a president, telling us our friends are our enemies and vice versa, appointing Russian assets and anti-science personnel to critical positions with the obvious intent of destroying his benefactors’ enemies. First among Trump’s benefactors’ enemies are US Military capability and American global pro democracy influence.

I do believe we have a genuine card carrying traitor in our midst. And with his record of accusing others to forecast his own misdeeds, it is a virtual certainty that he will use whatever means he can to cut America down to size, socially, militarily and economically.

The model is Putin’s Russia, but with bigger oligarchs. The biggest oligarchs anyone ever had. Nobody will have ever had such big oligarchs.

Americans make me want to puke sometimes.

 

[Patooka]

Fake conversation for purpose of clarification:
* Timmy says "3+3=6"
* Bobby says "1+4=6"
* Teacher says "Timmy's right, Bobby's wrong"
* Bob's uncle shows up and complains that Bobby is criticized unfairly: "He gave the same answer, 6, as Timmy gave."

We just saw a variation of this. ...
It's the difference between reality and racist fantasy. Re-read the comment by Bobby's uncle (your metaphier) at the beginning of this post if you really don't get it.

So let me get this straight -- your argument is that the difference between what TS said and what GN said was that in the case of GN saying "Shut the <expletive deleted> up.", he was factually correct?!? Are you really sure that's the metaphor you want to go with?

Seeing as you are being deliberately obtuse, I'll explain to you the difference. TS and GN used completely different words in their posts therefore it is only logical they warrant different reactions.

also fuck shit cunt arse. I'll leave you to your fake Pearl clutching. Please cry harder.

 

[Swammerdami]

Where do you see the Swizzster impugning Arabs generally? He impugned one specific Arab who very much deserves to be impugned. Why do you think it's okay to trump up a non-fact-based accusation against your political opponent?

Again: Are you just pretending to misunderstand?

In political discussions examples are (almost^*) ALWAYS intended as examples of a general trend. The "Swizzter" prefaced his example with "I don’t know [why there is so much hatred], maybe you should ask this guy?" How do you read that preface? Is he giving an example, or a counterexample?

* - The exception of course is when a COUNTER-example is presented in an attempt to refute a general trend. For example, when a poster mentions that white cops often harass blacks, the denier of racism will often find an example of a black cop harassing a black. (Examples of black cops harassing whites are too hard to find.)

 

[Swammerdami]

Fake conversation for purpose of clarification:
* Timmy says "3+3=6"
* Bobby says "1+4=6"
* Teacher says "Timmy's right, Bobby's wrong"
* Bob's uncle shows up and complains that Bobby is criticized unfairly: "He gave the same answer, 6, as Timmy gave."

We just saw a variation of this. ...
It's the difference between reality and racist fantasy. Re-read the comment by Bobby's uncle (your metaphier) at the beginning of this post if you really don't get it.

So let me get this straight -- your argument is that the difference between what TS said and what GN said was that in the case of GN saying "Shut the <expletive deleted> up.", he was factually correct?!? Are you really sure that's the metaphor you want to go with?

I guess I really do have to lead you step-by-step. For the purpose of the metaphor in which you are Bob's uncle's metaphrand, treat the "Shut the <expletive deleted> up." as the Teacher saying "Bobby [Derec] is wrong."

Start a new sub-sub-sub-debate if you need to discuss the civility of the expletive: It was irrelevant to my metaphor. Personally I find "Bobby's" penchant for distortion, hatred and misogyny so consistent and tedious that amused <yawn>s seem like a more appropriate reaction to him than <expletive>s.

 

[Derec]

the Teacher saying "Bobby [Derec] is wrong."

Except that I am not wrong.
But personal attacks is all you and your Ilk have.

 

[Bomb#20]

Fake conversation for purpose of clarification:
* Timmy says "3+3=6"
* Bobby says "1+4=6"
* Teacher says "Timmy's right, Bobby's wrong"
* Bob's uncle shows up and complains that Bobby is criticized unfairly: "He gave the same answer, 6, as Timmy gave."

We just saw a variation of this. ...
It's the difference between reality and racist fantasy. Re-read the comment by Bobby's uncle (your metaphier) at the beginning of this post if you really don't get it.

So let me get this straight -- your argument is that the difference between what TS said and what GN said was that in the case of GN saying "Shut the <expletive deleted> up.", he was factually correct?!? Are you really sure that's the metaphor you want to go with?

I guess I really do have to lead you step-by-step. For the purpose of the metaphor in which you are Bob's uncle's metaphrand, treat the "Shut the <expletive deleted> up." as the Teacher saying "Bobby [Derec] is wrong."

Good god you are completely losing it. You don't even remember why you constructed the elements of your own metaphor. Bob's uncle is me; Teacher is bilby; Timmy is GenesisNemesis; and Bobby is *******>>>> TSwizzle <<<<******** !!! TSwizzle is the one who gave the same answer as GenesisNemesis and got attacked for it. Derec didn't take part in this spat in any way so quit trying to drag him into your revisionist history. "Shut the <expletive deleted> up." corresponded to 3+3 = 6, (which made your whole metaphor stupid because 3 + 3 = 6 is objectively true while what GN wrote was not the sort of sentence capable of being true or false). Teacher saying "Timmy's right, Bobby's wrong" corresponded to bilby saying "If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position." to TS and saying "Like" to GN. Don't bother now claiming the correspondences are different from the ones you obviously had in mind when you wrote it -- you're digging yourself into a hole and you need to stop digging. If "Shut the <expletive deleted> up." had really been the Teacher saying "Bobby is wrong." then your whole metaphor would have been completely incoherent, because, as you say, I'm Bob's uncle complaining Bob gave the same answer as Timmy, and that's a reference to what I said ****>>>> to bilby <<<<****, about bilby's inconsistency, not to GenesisNemesis about what he said.

Start a new sub-sub-sub-debate if you need to discuss the civility of the expletive: It was irrelevant to my metaphor. Personally I find "Bobby's" penchant for distortion, hatred and misogyny so consistent and tedious that amused <yawn>s seem like a more appropriate reaction to him than <expletive>s.

Get a grip on reality. Where the bejesus do you see me trying to discuss the civility of the expletive? You guys can all use whatever language you all goddamn please. All I'd have to say to GenesisNemesis about what he wrote is "If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position." Bilby was perfectly right to say that to TSwizzle; he should have said it to GenesisNemesis too. But, as is typical in leftists, bilby lives and breathes double standards.

 

[Bomb#20]

So let me get this straight -- your argument is that the difference between what TS said and what GN said was that in the case of GN saying "Shut the <expletive deleted> up.", he was factually correct?!? Are you really sure that's the metaphor you want to go with?

Seeing as you are being deliberately obtuse, I'll explain to you the difference. TS and GN used completely different words in their posts therefore it is only logical they warrant different reactions.

Dude, that's patently idiotic. Put on your thinking brain. What TS wrote is "Sit down buddy." It's exactly the same sentiment GN expressed. That they used different terminology is a triviality.

also <more irrelevance snipped>. I'll leave you to your fake Pearl clutching. Please cry harder.

That too is patently idiotic. I wasn't pearl clutching or crying and you don't have an intelligent reason to think I was. Just as in your previous idiotic comment, you are irrationally fixating on style and disregarding substance.

 

[Swammerdami]

Fake conversation for purpose of clarification:
* Timmy says "3+3=6"
* Bobby says "1+4=6"
* Teacher says "Timmy's right, Bobby's wrong"
* Bob's uncle shows up and complains that Bobby is criticized unfairly: "He gave the same answer, 6, as Timmy gave."

We just saw a variation of this. ...
It's the difference between reality and racist fantasy. Re-read the comment by Bobby's uncle (your metaphier) at the beginning of this post if you really don't get it.

So let me get this straight -- your argument is that the difference between what TS said and what GN said was that in the case of GN saying "Shut the <expletive deleted> up.", he was factually correct?!? Are you really sure that's the metaphor you want to go with?

Good god you are completely losing it. You don't even remember why you constructed the elements of your own metaphor.

I guess the metaphor was too difficult for you. The BASIS of the whole lesson was that "3+3=6" and "1+4=6" have different truth values. Capische?

To simplify the plot, two characters were coalesced into one Teacher. I didn't realize this would be so difficult to understand. It would almost seem that you started with the misconception that "3+3=6" and "1+4=6" have the SAME truth value, but obviously you are far too smart for that.

In fact, I know you are VERY smart but we see time and time again that apparent IQ often plummets when the conversation turns to politics. I'll bet Derec and perhaps even TSwizzle have 110+ IQs!

 

[Patooka]

Dude, that's patently idiotic. Put on your thinking brain. What TS wrote is "Sit down buddy." It's exactly the same sentiment GN expressed. That they used different terminology is a triviality.

Dude, I love your pretend pedantry. Please cry harder.

That too is patently idiotic. I wasn't pearl clutching or crying and you don't have an intelligent reason to think I was.

Don't care. I can see through your bullshit. Please cry harder.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Muslims don't have a monopoly on hate or terror.

I never said they did.

The alt-right tripe you keep polluting this web board with wants you to think that they do.

I understand. You only want hear about “hate” when it is whitey.

Carry on.

Your preoccupation with race blinds you to what others actually believe.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I made a thread on it but it's approptiate here too:

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/c...uspect-mordechai-brafman/stories/202502120138

Man (i.e. racist pro-Israel dipshit) sees two people he thinks are Palestinian, shoots them. They're not even Palestinians.

 

[WAB]

What a fucking unbelievable psychotic.

 

[TomC]

What a fucking unbelievable psychotic.

They are all too common.
The USA seems to have more than our share. Probably due to our heavily polarized and heavily armed population.
Tom

 

[WAB]

What a fucking unbelievable psychotic.

They are all too common.
The USA seems to have more than our share. Probably due to our heavily polarized and heavily armed population.
Tom

And due to complete fraidy-cat pussies who can't live without a gun.

 

[Bomb#20]

Where do you see the Swizzster impugning Arabs generally? He impugned one specific Arab who very much deserves to be impugned. Why do you think it's okay to trump up a non-fact-based accusation against your political opponent?

Again: Are you just pretending to misunderstand?

In political discussions examples are (almost^*) ALWAYS intended as examples of a general trend. The "Swizzter" prefaced his example with "I don’t know [why there is so much hatred], maybe you should ask this guy?" How do you read that preface? Is he giving an example, or a counterexample?

A counterexample.

Why so much hatred? How did this happen? I know that in the US the far right, especially Trump, and his ilk have certainly made it more acceptable to promote hate. I'm not as familiar with the other countries, although I have read in the past how Australia has treated some of its native people.

Western Europe is going the way of the US. The US has a few years head start but the far right (Hate) are making headway around the world at an alarming rate.

Yes. That was my point, but why do you think hate is on the rise? Why do so many humans dislike or hate those who are different from themselves? I just don't get it.

When does the left ever call out hate when it's somebody high on the progressive stack hating those lower on the stack? TSwizzle is a rightist and he was looking at yet another typical narrative from leftists insinuating that hate is a problem specifically of the left's favorite oppressors targeting the left's favorite oppressees. So of course he's going to puncture that narrative -- he evidently felt attacked.

 

[Bomb#20]

Fake conversation for purpose of clarification:
* Timmy says "3+3=6"
* Bobby says "1+4=6"
* Teacher says "Timmy's right, Bobby's wrong"
* Bob's uncle shows up and complains that Bobby is criticized unfairly: "He gave the same answer, 6, as Timmy gave."

We just saw a variation of this. ...
It's the difference between reality and racist fantasy. Re-read the comment by Bobby's uncle (your metaphier) at the beginning of this post if you really don't get it.

So let me get this straight -- your argument is that the difference between what TS said and what GN said was that in the case of GN saying "Shut the <expletive deleted> up.", he was factually correct?!? Are you really sure that's the metaphor you want to go with?

Good god you are completely losing it. You don't even remember why you constructed the elements of your own metaphor.

I guess the metaphor was too difficult for you. The BASIS of the whole lesson was that "3+3=6" and "1+4=6" have different truth values. Capische?

To simplify the plot, two characters were coalesced into one Teacher. I didn't realize this would be so difficult to understand. It would almost seem that you started with the misconception that "3+3=6" and "1+4=6" have the SAME truth value,

Let me stop you right there. No, it does not almost seem that way. You made that up. I have said exactly nothing to suggest in any way that I have that misconception. Stop making up garbage about me. The metaphor was not too difficult. Understanding it was trivial. Yes, I capisce. I capisced from the get-go, as you would have recognized from the get-go if you weren't so desperate to save your stupid metaphor from its own stupidity.

Yes, the basis of the whole "lesson" was that "3+3=6" and "1+4=6" have different truth values. Duh! And the basis of my whole refutation of your stupid metaphor is that the two actual commands I actually complained were being treated unequally -- "Sit down" and "Shut up" -- do not have different truth values. Duh! Everything you have said subsequently comes off as a transparent attempt to draw attention away from that fact. You had no grounds to criticize my pointing out bilby's inconsistency by pretending what he did was anything like a teacher saying "right" and "wrong" about children whose statements had different truth values. Capisce?

"Sit down" and "Shut up" do not have different truth values. Deal with it.

In fact, I know you are VERY smart but we see time and time again that apparent IQ often plummets when the conversation turns to politics. I'll bet Derec and perhaps even TSwizzle have 110+ IQs!

Well, there's another one for the "Every accusation is a confession" thread.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

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Western Europe is going the way of the US. The US has a few years head start but the far right (Hate) are making headway around the world at an alarming rate.

Yes. That was my point, but why do you think hate is on the rise? Why do so many humans dislike or hate those who are different from themselves? I just don't get it.​

When does the left ever call out hate when it's somebody high on the progressive stack hating those lower on the stack? TSwizzle is a rightist and he was looking at yet another typical narrative from leftists insinuating that hate is a problem specifically of the left's favorite oppressors targeting the left's favorite oppressees.

Well, that might be influenced by both the general right-leaning nature of intolerance (at least in the Western World) and the rise of the alt-right in the US and the alt-right parties in Europe that being driven by anger against immigration, gays, and transgenders. Trump won an election in 2016 and people started marching with tiki torches, chanting anti-Semitic slogans. That didn't happen when Biden was elected.

Yes, we get it, hate isn't a one way street. Yes, we get that ISIS and Islamic terrorism exists.

The trouble is, hate is being used as an electoral ploy in the US and Europe. JD Vance's speech in Germany told us that their vision of America in 2050s was that of America in 1950s.