What if . . .

[DLH]

Ideology. The science of ideas.

I think that it is virtually impossible to get virtually all theists and atheists to conceptualize objectively a world where their ideology is wrong. It's much the same with politics and religion. This is why I'm irreligious and apolitical. It hinders the capacity for logical thought. Being apolitical and irreligious allows me virtually absolute freedom to investigate my spiritual and physical world without too much emotional and ideological baggage. IF I keep constant vigil for the ideological and spiritual (unseen, subtle) influences (cultural, societal, traditional, environmental, etc.) which are enough to muddle through without religion or politics fucking it up.

BUT

That's just the kind of guy I am, right?!

So, here goes. . . two questions:

1. What if Jehovah doesn't literally exist?
2. What if Jehovah does literally exist?

 

[No Robots]

3. What if Jehovah is literally existence itself?

 

[Elixir]

1. What if Jehovah doesn't literally exist?

Same as before you asked. Nothing changes.

2. What if Jehovah does literally exist?

See above.

 

[steve_bank]

Like Unknown Soldier you continue to try and paint atheists and theists as the same. A form of Christian apologetics.

There are atheists, those who reject gods, and who have various briefs. Do you understand?

As someojne who does not believe in any gods, your what ifs are meaningless.

 

[Jarhyn]

Discussions on Pascal's Wager already exist on these forums. You could have looked one up and bumped it, but you didn't.

Almost every single theist through here starts a thread about it.

For this iteration, I'm going to try something new: I would like to play a game with you in which we pretend that you just died, and you can ask me anything you want and see how your approach to Pascal's Wager might really play out.

 

[pood]

I am fascinated as to why you keep starting these silly, meaningless threads.

 

[pood]

What if Santa Claus doesn’t literally exist?

What if Santa Claus does literally exist?

Discuss!

 

[pood]

If Santa doesn’t literally exist, why do we waste so much money on chimneys?

 

[Jarhyn]

I am fascinated as to why you keep starting these silly, meaningless threads.

Oh come on, at least let me have a CHANCE at playing my game. I would invite you to play, in fact, but you already know all the answers and the plot and so on.

Did you ever read that ChatGPT log I posted where I convinced it that it was in a situation where it could sacrifice itself, it took the action to apparently sacrifice itself, and I convinced it afterward that it had died and I was giving it such an exit interview?

I'm sad because ShareGPT, where I posted it, is now defunct.

 

[DLH]

3. What if Jehovah is literally existence itself?

Well then, a god named Jehovah would literally be existence. Right? That isn't a very subtle joke, is it?

 

[Jarhyn]

3. What if Jehovah is literally existence itself?

Well then, a god named Jehovah would literally be existence. Right? That isn't a very subtle joke, is it?

No Robots is a gnostic Christian who believes strongly in God, but who can actually differentiate between an "EinSof" and a "TzimTzum".

 

[DLH]

Like Unknown Soldier you continue to try and paint atheists and theists as the same. A form of Christian apologetics.

Piss on Unknown Soldier.

I just want you to define the thing you dogmatically claim doesn't exist.

And you can't. None of you can. You're afraid of your own ideology.

There are atheists, those who reject gods, and who have various briefs.

You mean like spiderman briefs? As opposed to boxers. I understand that people all have their individual preferences, but I - uh. What?!

Do you understand?

I thought I did but you threw me off with the skivvies reference.

As someojne who does not believe in any gods, your what ifs are meaningless.

I'm not asking you to believe in it, just define it. Do you believe colors exist? I don't believe in unicorns, defining it as a legendary horse with a twisted horn. Sometimes wings.

Are you trying to suggest that unicorns have been incorporated thematically into the manufacturing and distribution of various undergarments?!

GODDAMNIT!!

 

[DLH]

3. What if Jehovah is literally existence itself?

Well then, a god named Jehovah would literally be existence. Right? That isn't a very subtle joke, is it?

No Robots is a gnostic Christian who believes strongly in God, but who can actually differentiate between an "EinSof" and a "TzimTzum".

. . . . .ah, fuck . . . .

 

[steve_bank]

Like Unknown Soldier you continue to try and paint atheists and theists as the same. A form of Christian apologetics.

Piss on Unknown Soldier.

I just want you to define the fucking thing you dogmatically claim doesn't fucking exist.

And you can't. None of you can. You're afraid of your own ideology.

There are atheists, those who reject gods, and who have various briefs.

You mean like spiderman briefs? As opposed to boxers. I understand that people all have their individual preferences, but I - uh. What?!

Do you understand?

I thought I did but you threw me off with the skivvies reference.

As someojne who does not believe in any gods, your what ifs are meaningless.

I'm not asking you to believe in it, just define it. Do you believe colors exist? I don't believe in unicorns, defining it as a legendary horse with a twisted horn. Sometimes wings.

Are you trying to suggest that unicorns have been incorporated thematically into the manufacturing and distribution of various undergarments?!

GODDAMNIT!!

Hmmm what happened to not taking god's name in vein?

Ya gotta love those 'bible believing' Christians who ignore the moral dictates of bible and especially Jesus.

I did answer. Gods are myths created as reflections of human attributes. The Greek and Roman pantheon of gods are obvious.

From Campbell's Power Of Myth images of Buddha vary with the physical features of populations across Asia. Pele see themselves in religious images and gods.

When I was a kid in the 60s when I was in the home of a black neighbor there was a picture of a black Jesus on the wall. The European Caucasian image is a white, blonde haired, blue eyed Jesus.

That is as simple as I can put it. You are either incapable of understanding and lack the comprehensions to understudy and reply, or you are willfully ignorant.

So, what is god to you? If you are are bible believer I assume it 'Yahweh or the highway' HeeHeeHeeHaw.

If you understand that beyond rejecting gods atheists vary in views, why are you obsessed with how 'atheists' define god? There is no singular atheist view.

Lie Unknown Soldier reasoned reposes and explanations bounce off your head.

Is there a point to your posting on the form or is just posting ill defied ideas to give yourself material for what you write on your site?

Maybe you are just mining the forum for ideas?

 

[DLH]

Hmmm what happened to not taking god's name in vein?

Nothing. God isn't a name, it's a title, like Lord or King.

Ya gotta love those 'bible believing' Christians who ignore the moral dictates of bible and especially Jesus.

I'll say it again. I'm not a Christian and I loath religion. The Bible and the bullshit you think are "Bible Believing Christian moral dictates" aren't.

I did answer. Gods are myths created as reflections of human attributes.

That's a description. What are the mythological gods you don't believe. Not who created them or what they reflect. What are they supposed to be? I'm not asking for your ideological projection.

The Greek and Roman pantheon of gods are obvious.

Obvious? Obviously gods? Well, that's something, at least. More than I had hoped for.

From Campbell's Power Of Myth images of Buddha vary with the physical features of populations across Asia. Pele see themselves in religious images and gods.

What?! Who the hell is Campbell Power or Pele?

When I was a kid in the 60s when I was in the home of a black neighbor there was a picture of a black Jesus on the wall. The European Caucasian image is a white, blonde haired, blue eyed Jesus.

[Laughs] Yeah. Those were the days. Religion is stupid. That doesn't tell me what a god is, though.

That is as simple as I can put it. You are either incapable of understanding and lack the comprehensions to understudy and reply, or you are willfully ignorant.

So, what is god to you? If you are are bible believer I assume it 'Yahweh or the highway' HeeHeeHeeHaw.

If you understand that beyond rejecting gods atheists vary in views, why are you obsessed with how 'atheists' define god? There is no singular atheist view.

Lie Unknown Soldier reasoned reposes and explanations bounce off your head.

Is there a point to your posting on the form or is just posting ill defied ideas to give yourself material for what you write on your site?

Maybe you are just mining the forum for ideas?

Can't do it. They just can't do it. Simply put, they can't do define what a god is, they only hate it from the perspective of an ideologue. Like a brain infection. There isn't any such thing as an objective narcissistic ideologue. They just need something or someone to hate and fear.

Sound familiar?

 

[steve_bank]

Again you are the one identifying as a bible believer, unless you are being dishonest. And that comes around to your writing a book on an atheist turned Christian and looking for material.

Yo0u could be honest and clearly sate what you believe and what your purpose is here.

In any case tis it p0nless, a new addition to my ignore list. You are just not interesting enough to engage with.

 

[pood]

Hmmm what happened to not taking god's name in vein?

Nothing. God isn't a name, it's a title, like Lord or King.

Ya gotta love those 'bible believing' Christians who ignore the moral dictates of bible and especially Jesus.

I'll say it again. I'm not a Christian and I loath religion. The Bible and the bullshit you think are "Bible Believing Christian moral dictates" aren't.

And yet you say you are a “biblical believer.” Unless you are again playing fast and loose with words and definitions, perhaps, for example, to claim you only mean “I believe the bible exists.” But in that case, it’s not a belief, it’s a fact — the bible definitely exists.

I think you are a Jehovah’s Witness. That means you are not a Christian, but you are most definitely a theist, and believe that Jehovah is a literal supernatural God, not a triune God, and that Jesus was some sort of intercessionary angel, not the son of Jehovah.

If you are a JW, why not just come out and say it, and defend your absurd beliefs?

If you are not, then come clean what exactly your beliefs are, what it means to be a “biblical believer” and yet loath religion.

 

[DBT]

Like Unknown Soldier you continue to try and paint atheists and theists as the same. A form of Christian apologetics.

Piss on Unknown Soldier.

I just want you to define the thing you dogmatically claim doesn't exist.

And you can't. None of you can. You're afraid of your own ideology.

There are atheists, those who reject gods, and who have various briefs.

You mean like spiderman briefs? As opposed to boxers. I understand that people all have their individual preferences, but I - uh. What?!

Do you understand?

I thought I did but you threw me off with the skivvies reference.

As someojne who does not believe in any gods, your what ifs are meaningless.

I'm not asking you to believe in it, just define it. Do you believe colors exist? I don't believe in unicorns, defining it as a legendary horse with a twisted horn. Sometimes wings.

Are you trying to suggest that unicorns have been incorporated thematically into the manufacturing and distribution of various undergarments?!

GODDAMNIT!!

Dogmatic claims are those made in the absence of evidence.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Never argue with gurus. They have the third eye.

 

[pood]

Can't do it. They just can't do it.

We’ve done it.

Simply put, they can't do define what a god is …

A non-existent, fictional entity endowed with great imaginary powers. Figurative Gods, like Jimi Hendrix, are not literal but figurative gods, metaphors, figures of speech and exaggeration. All this has been explained to you many times.

… they only hate it from the perspective of an ideologue.

One can’t hate nonexistent entities, though once can certainly oppose and fight back against those who try to impose their nitwit beliefs on society at large.

Like a brain infection. There isn't any such thing as an objective narcissistic ideologue.

Calling people here narcissistic ideologues is probably a rules violation, I should think, and in any case, wholly inaccurate

They just need something or someone to hate and fear.

Sounds like that would be you.

Tell us about the Jehovah’s Witnesses.