Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[laughing dog]

Leave out the militants and human shields and you probably have a number smaller than the number of kidnapping victims from Israel.
Tom

Sick. After killing that many people, mostly women and children, that is not just a flimsy unsupported conjecture, it’s a transparent attempt to justify genocide.

I think it is more simply ignorance-driven boosterism for the"home" team. I agree it is ghoulish.

 

[TomC]

Leave out the militants and human shields and you probably have a number smaller than the number of kidnapping victims from Israel.
Tom

Sick. After killing that many people, mostly women and children, that is not just a flimsy unsupported conjecture, it’s a transparent attempt to justify genocide.

Ya know what's sick?
The bizarre levels you and the other terrorism apologists go to justifying the violence by tribal supremacists like the GWM, and their international supporters.
There's no genocide going on. There are attempts being made at ethnic cleansing. Those are the ones being made by the anti-Zionist Muslim neighbors. The current disaster in Gaza is a direct and predictable result of the GWM deciding to invest in piles of missiles and weapons, military installations and such. Instead of infrastructure that would benefit Gazans as a whole.
Like power generation and potable water production.

Are you ignorant of the fact that the wall between Gaza and Israel wasn't built to prevent Gazans from trading produce and stuff? Israel invested in the wall to stop Palestinian suicide bombers from blowing up civilians in markets and schools.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

There's got to be a lot of people still buried under the rubble of demolished buildings.

 

[Elixir]

The bizarre levels you and the other terrorism apologists go to justifying the violence by tribal supremacists like the GWM, and their international supporters.

Example, please.
I condemn the heinous acts of Hamas, and would not complain if ALL of them were killed in pager explosions that took out an equal number of "innocent bystanders". But the way Bibipologists blithely pursue indiscriminate killing and destruction and try to spin it as a rational response to their loss - now years ago - of a few thousand souls that Bibi's negligence left vulnerable... SICK.

 

[TomC]

Example, please.

Here's one:

Over 46,000 Palestinians have been reported killed in Gaza as of January 2025, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. Women and children make up more than half of the fatalities.

THAT genocide.

Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Here's another example of terrorist apologia

What "genocide"?

Over 46,000 Palestinians have been reported killed in Gaza as of January 2025, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. Women and children make up more than half of the fatalities.

THAT genocide.

Leave out the militants and human shields and you probably have a number smaller than the number of kidnapping victims from Israel.
Tom

 

[TomC]

Here's another example of terrorist apologia

What "genocide"?

Over 46,000 Palestinians have been reported killed in Gaza as of January 2025, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. Women and children make up more than half of the fatalities.

THAT genocide.

Leave out the militants and human shields and you probably have a number smaller than the number of kidnapping victims from Israel.
Tom

Bullshit.

Defending themselves against Muslim terrorists isn't terrorism.
This is the kind of thing I am talking about.
You equate Israeli self defense with Palestinian aggression against Israel.

How many Gazans would have died if the GWM hadn't attacked Israel, Oct '23?
Tom

 

[TV and credit cards]

Perhaps this would have been better:

The only way any of this works is to look at this incident in a vacuum, that this hatred for Israel and the US grew organically.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

The situation did not grow organically, from day 1 the Muslims have been providing the sparks and fanning the fire. The "trigger" was the very creation of Israel--they were attacked before they had done anything but declare their existence. It wasn't that anybody was hurt, it was the existence of a Jewish land in areas they considered long conquered was a horrendous offense to Islam.

We've covered all this in the larger thread. My position is the US had no business establishing the state of Israel in 1948. It was not for us to do. It was a consolation for the Holocaust.
As far as who might be the more aggrieved party, again I'll stand on my twice written claim that the majority of the civilized world in the UN seem to agree with my position, not yours as they routinely stand against the US and Israel.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

So why do liberals support oppressive theocratic nations whose unmistakable intent is genocide?

So why do [folks] like you always make very obvious straw man arguments and never realize they're straw man arguments? (edited)

 

[laughing dog]

Here's another example of terrorist apologia

What "genocide"?

Over 46,000 Palestinians have been reported killed in Gaza as of January 2025, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. Women and children make up more than half of the fatalities.

THAT genocide.

Leave out the militants and human shields and you probably have a number smaller than the number of kidnapping victims from Israel.
Tom

Bullshit.

Defending themselves against Muslim terrorists isn't terrorism.
This is the kind of thing I am talking about.

The IDF defense kills thousands upon thousands of noncombatants and destroys homes and other infrastructure. You don't think that creates terror in the civilian population? No one is saying how Israel cannot defend itself. The problem that many have is HOW they defend themselves. That is a nuanced distinction, but one most adults should be able to make.

But, I get it is upsetting to be called a terrorist apologist, especially when one might think it is uncalled for. Perhaps you might think about that in the future when you feel the urge to fling your vicious slanders.

 

[TomC]

The IDF defense kills thousands upon thousands of noncombatants and destroys homes and other infrastructure.

Sorry, no I am not buying your terrorist apologetics.
Gazans launched an attack against Israel. They used Gazans as human shields. Lots of those people died because Gazans used them.
Israel was remarkably good at avoiding unnecessary casualties. But since the GWM thrive on Palestinians deaths there were some.
Tom

 

[TomC]

So why do liberals support oppressive theocratic nations whose unmistakable intent is genocide?

So why do [folks] like you always make very obvious straw man arguments and never realize they're straw man arguments? (edited)

There's no strawman argument there.
Israel's neighbors have been trying to get rid of the Jews for decades.

Like @Colonel Sanders, I'm confused by why violent Muslim terrorists got so high on the PC protected persons list. But I have watched it happen. The PC people don't even bother making arguments much anymore. They just handwave terrorist violence, insult the rest of us, and flounce away.
Tom

 

[GenesisNemesis]

So why do liberals support oppressive theocratic nations whose unmistakable intent is genocide?

So why do [folks] like you always make very obvious straw man arguments and never realize they're straw man arguments? (edited)

There's no strawman argument there.
Israel's neighbors have been trying to get rid of the Jews for decades.

Like @Colonel Sanders, I'm confused by why violent Muslim terrorists got so high on the PC protected persons list. But I have watched it happen. The PC people don't even bother making arguments much anymore. They just handwave terrorist violence, insult the rest of us, and flounce away.
Tom

Most people just want Israel to stop killing Palestinian civilians. This is absolutely a strawman argument.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

This has been explained repeatedly, yet the delusion persists because morons can't grasp basic logic.

 

[TomC]

Most people just want Israel to stop killing Palestinian civilians. This is absolutely a strawman argument.

Unfortunately, the GWM do not want that.
Or it would end, peacefully. But we all know that isn't going to happen. Because Hamas still has a couple million human shields to use.
Tom

 

[TomC]

This has been explained repeatedly, yet the delusion persists because morons can't grasp basic logic.

The delusion is that Israel launched the battle.
Tom

 

[GenesisNemesis]

This has been explained repeatedly, yet the delusion persists because morons can't grasp basic logic.

The delusion is that Israel launched the battle.
Tom

Which I'm not claiming and in fact I believe the constant finger pointing about who started the conflict is one reason why this conflict will continue endlessly.

 

[TomC]

This has been explained repeatedly, yet the delusion persists because morons can't grasp basic logic.

The delusion is that Israel launched the battle.
Tom

Which I'm not claiming and in fact I believe the constant finger pointing about who started the conflict is one reason why this conflict will continue endlessly.

I believe that the conflict will continue indefinitely because so much of the international community blame Israel for defending itself and so encourage the genocidally violent Muslim neighbors to keep trying. But Israel won't give up and die.

So the conflict will continue as long as the Palestinians can invest in attacking Israel, like they have.
Tom

 

[GenesisNemesis]

This has been explained repeatedly, yet the delusion persists because morons can't grasp basic logic.

The delusion is that Israel launched the battle.
Tom

Which I'm not claiming and in fact I believe the constant finger pointing about who started the conflict is one reason why this conflict will continue endlessly.

I believe that the conflict will continue indefinitely because so much of the international community blame Israel for defending itself
Tom

No people just give a damn about human rights, apparently you don't.

 

[TomC]

No people just give a damn about human rights, apparently you don't.

Do you mean those of us who support multiethnic democracy?
Or violent Muslim terrorists?

Because it's pretty obvious to me which side you fall on. Rather like a bunch of other people on this forum.
Tom