Define God

[pood]

No one because Adam and Eve never existed.

And neither did God in your estimation so what's the point in blaming him? That's like blaming Darth Vadar for:

• Destroyed people on Ryloth with Palpatine
• Took out dozens of rebels in Rogue One
• Executed dozens of repair crew members
• Used civilians as weapons against
• Took out five officers at random for every person who tried to off him
• Tricked Kanan and Ezra into a trap
• Dismembered his own inquisitors to teach them about loss

Do you see? You can't have it both ways. God can't be a monster that exists if he doesn't exist.

Your word games are really tiresome and transparent.

Yes, God is not a monster because he does not exist. But IF he existed, he would be a monster, responsible for all evil.

It’s really that simple.

 

[DLH]

And I'm still not sure how omniscience and free will are compatible.

At least then, from a theological standpoint, you have some sense. The atheist seems incapable of understanding that their sociopolitical objection has nothing to do with theology or religion.

 

[pood]

And I'm still not sure how omniscience and free will are compatible.

At least then, from a theological standpoint, you have some sense. The atheist seems incapable of understanding that their sociopolitical objection has nothing to do with theology or religion.

Whatever that is supposed to mean. Infallible foreknowledge and free will are compatible.

 

[DLH]

Your word games are really tiresome and transparent.

Uh-huh. YOU ARE ABOVE THE LOGIC!

Yes, God is not a monster because he does not exist. But IF he existed, he would be a monster, responsible for all evil.

It’s really that simple.

And if Spiderman existed, he could beat up Aqua man. Get over it.

 

[DLH]

Your word games are really tiresome and transparent.

Einstein disagreed with the nonlocality, antirealism and indeterminism (dice) implied by quantum mechanics. Later experiments after he was dead appear to have proved him wrong. Einstein’s “god” was entirely metaphorical. He deemed belief in the literal reality of entities like Jay Hovah to be “primitive” thinking.

Primitive. Like the wheel, soap, writing, rope, locks, umbrella, axes, swords and plow of the same period. And again, he was wrong about the dice?

 

[DLH]

And I'm still not sure how omniscience and free will are compatible.

Not terribly relevant since omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence and omnirelevance aren't scripturally supported any more than omnivorous meaning the ability to eat everything is supported and free will is limited with created beings.

 

[DBT]

Epicurus and his riddle don't appear to get on too well with the God of Love.

The Epicurean paradox is, well, kind of sophomoric, though, isn't it? Put simply Jehovah God can take away evil, as demonstrated by Christ being without sin. He states fairly clearly what that sin is, what the solution is, and his plans for dealing with it at the proper time. Evil is man's choice and is tolerated by Jehovah temporally.

Considering the story of redemption, the world has not changed since the blood sacrifice of Jesus.

People have not changed. The conditions of the world has not changed, evil and suffering has not gone away. It's business as usual.

God fails the Epicurus test.

 

[DBT]

Which version of God is Love?

That's a good question. From the Biblical perspective it is applied to the faithful. It isn't unconditional. God hates the wicked. In the Bible there are several words for love and hate. An unrighteous hatred is the wishing for harm to anyone or anything. It consumes. I don't hate anyone or anything in that sense. There is also a righteous hatred which doesn't involve the unrighteous, of course, and means you simply don't want to have anything to do with someone or something. I pretty much hate everyone and everything in that sense.

What you say contradicts the bible's definition of Love;

''Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.'' 1 Corinthians 13;

 

[DLH]

Infallible foreknowledge and free will are compatible.

Oh, okay.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Fair enough. I stand corrected and will agree you made no positive or negative statement about anything Einstein said. It’s more that you were agreeing with the general sentiment “god does not play dice with the universe” than Albert’s specific claim, yes?

I said he was right, meaning the quote was right. What he meant I have no idea. Since it was mentioned as an amusing aside and I gave my own take on it, more or less in the same spirit, then maybe you have something to say about exactly what my take on it, the amusing aside itself, or most specifically how they differ according to what Einstein MIGHT have meant?

That's the difference, in my opinion, between an ideological argument and a good discussion.

Honestly, I couldn’t figure out what your take on it was. Since we haven’t even figured out what you mean by “god” it’s not clear to me what you think “god does not play dice with the universe would mean”. And since you’ve already twice now simply assumed you know my position on things it doesn’t appear to me you are interested in a “good discussion” with me. Good day, sir.

 

[pood]

Infallible foreknowledge and free will are compatible.

Oh, okay.

Right. Read my earlier two posts explaining why.

 

[pood]

Your word games are really tiresome and transparent.

Einstein disagreed with the nonlocality, antirealism and indeterminism (dice) implied by quantum mechanics. Later experiments after he was dead appear to have proved him wrong. Einstein’s “god” was entirely metaphorical. He deemed belief in the literal reality of entities like Jay Hovah to be “primitive” thinking.

Primitive. Like the wheel, soap, writing, rope, locks, umbrella, axes, swords and plow of the same period. And again, he was wrong about the dice?

Yes, he was wrong about the metaphorical dice.

 

[pood]

Your word games are really tiresome and transparent.

Uh-huh. YOU ARE ABOVE THE LOGIC!

Yes, God is not a monster because he does not exist. But IF he existed, he would be a monster, responsible for all evil.

It’s really that simple.

And if Spiderman existed, he could beat up Aqua man. Get over it.

Get over what? What is your point? Do you even have one?

 

[pood]

Fair enough. I stand corrected and will agree you made no positive or negative statement about anything Einstein said. It’s more that you were agreeing with the general sentiment “god does not play dice with the universe” than Albert’s specific claim, yes?

I said he was right, meaning the quote was right. What he meant I have no idea. Since it was mentioned as an amusing aside and I gave my own take on it, more or less in the same spirit, then maybe you have something to say about exactly what my take on it, the amusing aside itself, or most specifically how they differ according to what Einstein MIGHT have meant?

That's the difference, in my opinion, between an ideological argument and a good discussion.

Honestly, I couldn’t figure out what your take on it was. Since we haven’t even figured out what you mean by “god” it’s not clear to me what you think “god does not play dice with the universe would mean”. And since you’ve already twice now simply assumed you know my position on things it doesn’t appear to me you are interested in a “good discussion” with me. Good day, sir.

I know, right? Condescension, presumption and evasiveness all in one unpleasant package.

 

[DLH]

What you say contradicts the bible's definition of Love;

''Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.'' 1 Corinthians 13;

Tell me why you think what I say contradicts the Bible's definition of love.

 

[DLH]

Honestly, I couldn’t figure out what your take on it was.

Honestly, even though I explained it in greater and better detail that it was presented in the first place.

Since we haven’t even figured out what you mean by “god” it’s not clear to me what you think “god does not play dice with the universe would mean”.

Even though I have explained that in more - greater and better - detail than anyone else has done.

And since you’ve already twice now simply assumed you know my position on things it doesn’t appear to me you are interested in a “good discussion” with me.

Even though you have made the same mistake.

Good day, sir.

Honestly?

 

[pood]

Even though I have explained that in more - greater and better - detail sophistry than anyone else has done.

it for you.

 

[NoHolyCows]

Define God. Simple request. What is a god? Simple question, simple answers. Define what a god is. This should be pinned. to the top of this forum on Existence of God(s) IMHO.

A god is seen as a powerful being or force that people worship or believe in, often tied to creation, the universe, or guiding moral values. Different cultures and beliefs shape how gods are understood.

Define God. Simple request. What is a god? Simple question, simple answers. Define what a god is. This should be pinned. to the top of this forum on Existence of God(s) IMHO.

A god is seen as a powerful being or force that people worship or believe in, often tied to creation, the universe, or guiding moral values. Different cultures and beliefs shape how gods are understood.

NHC

 

[WAB]

God is how we measure our pain. - John Lennon

 

[Wiploc]

Here come the requisite right-wing attacks on “woke ideologues.” “Woke” is that all-purpose bogeyman that makes right-wing snowflakes cringe and seek a safe space.

I'll say it again for those up in the balcony. APOLITICAL IRRELIGIOUS.

Don't like right wing. Don't like left wing. Don't like the center. I think they are all, including religion, for stupid people. I'm not that stupid.

Because you want to be a god?