Columbia University is colluding with the far-right in its attack on students

[TomC]

Probably what it means in every sentence.

I grew up in the "Nation of Immigrants". I am conservative, I still believe in that.

Nobody who wants to get rid of immigrants, IMNSHO, are "conservative". They are, at best, "progressive". They want to Progress beyond our heritage.

Yeah, fuck those Teaparty progressives. Totally scum. Democrats are not very different.
Bring back the Nation of Immigrants.
Tom

I miss the connection with the actual discussion about expelling students for disrupting a class.

Let me put it this way...

If a bunch of registered students broke in to a biology class to tell the students "evolution is evil!" because they know better than the professors, would you have a problem with that?
I would. I'd have no problem with making a connection between the actual disruption of the class and registered students being expelled for doing so.
Tom

 

[Politesse]

I don't like disruptions to my class either, but jumping straight to expulsion over a student demonstration? Seriously? What good is free speech if the only penalty for using it "incorrectly" is the maximal punishment?

 

[laughing dog]

Probably what it means in every sentence.

I grew up in the "Nation of Immigrants". I am conservative, I still believe in that.

Nobody who wants to get rid of immigrants, IMNSHO, are "conservative". They are, at best, "progressive". They want to Progress beyond our heritage.

Yeah, fuck those Teaparty progressives. Totally scum. Democrats are not very different.
Bring back the Nation of Immigrants.
Tom

I miss the connection with the actual discussion about expelling students for disrupting a class.

Let me put it this way...

If a bunch of registered students broke in to a biology class to tell the students "evolution is evil!" because they know better than the professors, would you have a problem with that?
I would. I'd have no problem with making a connection between the actual disruption of the class and registered students being expelled for doing so.
Tom

I’d have a problem with an expulsion for a single nonviolent disruption.

 

[lostone]

The universities are scared. They never have been exactly bastions of freedom. By and large, they are just official functionaries, trying to survive and afraid of political turmoil.

 

[Politesse]

The funny thing is, universities really are terrified of political incorrectness. What Republicans don't understand is that what that means is caving to their own sordid demands at least half the time. It's their martyr complex, of course. They truly believe that they are the persecuted party in any and all circumstances, even when they are obviously in power and threatening to "cancel" and "defund" anyone who challenges their ideology. It doesn't count when they do it, because they are the true victim here, eternally now and forevermore. No matter what happens, no matter how much influence they accrue, no matter how much power and money they steal from the rest of us, they will always demand to be seen as the greatest losers of American society.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Probably what it means in every sentence.

I grew up in the "Nation of Immigrants". I am conservative, I still believe in that.

Nobody who wants to get rid of immigrants, IMNSHO, are "conservative". They are, at best, "progressive". They want to Progress beyond our heritage.

What?! The hatred of immigrants is more American than baseball and apple pie. It is our oldest past time dating no later than the 1850s.

 

[Derec]

I would hope theDre was more than mere “disruption” because expulsion for disrupting a single class seems draconian to me.

We are not talking about some class clown cutting up.
Those were people unaffiliated with the class who burst into the classroom in order to disrupt it while handing out antisemitic fliers.

I have not seen details about this, but I do think it's likely that this stunt was not their first rodeo either. I.e. I think it is likely they were warned for one of the previous anti-Israel actions. That would have been the yellow card, not they got yellow red.

Especially if you're expelling "uninvited visitors", as opposed to registered students.

They were students; otherwise they could not be expelled. But they were not registered for the class they were disrupting.

Remind me of how expulsion works for a non-student, do you have to register them first and then expel them, or just hand them a piece of paper that says, "You're expelled, citizen"?

If they were non-students, they could have been issued a trespass warning. But again, they were students.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Probably what it means in every sentence.

I grew up in the "Nation of Immigrants". I am conservative, I still believe in that.

Nobody who wants to get rid of immigrants, IMNSHO, are "conservative". They are, at best, "progressive". They want to Progress beyond our heritage.

Yeah, fuck those Teaparty progressives. Totally scum. Democrats are not very different.
Bring back the Nation of Immigrants.
Tom

I miss the connection with the actual discussion about expelling students for disrupting a class.

Let me put it this way...

If a bunch of registered students broke in to a biology class to tell the students "evolution is evil!" because they know better than the professors, would you have a problem with that?
I would. I'd have no problem with making a connection between the actual disruption of the class and registered students being expelled for doing so.
Tom

I'd say that a university certainly has avenues to tackle ignorance with as first or second resort, instead of just jumping on the expulsion. Schools are supposed to treat ignorance not ignore of enable it.

 

[Derec]

Nothing is too draconian for conservative dipshits.

Given the nonsense Columbia/Barnard have been dealing with since last April, I do not think expelling three students (one for expelled since, for taking over Hamilton Hall last Spring) is draconian at all.

 

[TomC]

Probably what it means in every sentence.

I grew up in the "Nation of Immigrants". I am conservative, I still believe in that.

Nobody who wants to get rid of immigrants, IMNSHO, are "conservative". They are, at best, "progressive". They want to Progress beyond our heritage.

What?! The hatred of immigrants is more American than baseball and apple pie. It is our oldest past time dating no later than the 1850s.

Nah

Hating on the new kids is an ancient tradition. And we're among the few "Nation of Immigrants". People who's forebears immigrated here a couple of generations previously did it. My family is Irish, the first few generations were ugly for my forebears. Irish folk were not really white in the 30s. But that was then and this is now.

Now, people who don't like the Statue of Liberty and what she represents aren't conservatives, IMNSHO.
Tom

 

[thebeave]

Probably what it means in every sentence.

I grew up in the "Nation of Immigrants". I am conservative, I still believe in that.

Nobody who wants to get rid of immigrants, IMNSHO, are "conservative". They are, at best, "progressive". They want to Progress beyond our heritage.

What?! The hatred of immigrants is more American than baseball and apple pie. It is our oldest past time dating no later than the 1850s.

Nah

Hating on the new kids is an ancient tradition. And we're among the few "Nation of Immigrants". People who's forebears immigrated here a couple of generations previously did it. My family is Irish, the first few generations were ugly for my forebears. Irish folk were not really white in the 30s. But that was then and this is now.

Now, people who don't like the Statue of Liberty and what she represents aren't conservatives, IMNSHO.
Tom

I'll bet you still get the "Always after me Lucky Charms" comment still, though.

 

[TomC]

I'd say that a university certainly has avenues to tackle ignorance with as first or second resort, instead of just jumping on the expulsion. Schools are supposed to treat ignorance not ignore of enable it.

I don't claim to know what happened.

I think that the university has an obligation to maintain a disciplined and civil environment for all students and faculty.
If the administration made a statement like "Interfering with a class to make a socio-political statement will result in consequences, possibly including expulsion." then started expelling the miscreants who considered themselves too important for rules, I'd be totally good with it.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

I would hope theDre was more than mere “disruption” because expulsion for disrupting a single class seems draconian to me.

We are not talking about some class clown cutting up.
Those were people unaffiliated with the class who burst into the classroom in order to disrupt it while handing out antisemitic fliers.

Nothing you wrote is a convincing argument for expulsion. There may be more to the story (I certainly would hope so), but without mroe information, I'll stay with my observtion.

I have not seen details about this, but I do think it's likely that this stunt was not their first rodeo either. I.e. I think it is likely they were warned for one of the previous anti-Israel actions. That would have been the yellow card, not they got yellow red.

Maybe, Then again, maybe Columbia's President is "virtue" signalling.

 

[Arctish]

I'm more in favor of first time offenders receiving a warning and having to re-read and re-sign the Student Code of Conduct, unless their actions put others at risk of physical injury or damaged school property beyond a few scuff marks or other minor wear-and-tear.

If they stupidly or recklessly endangered others with a stunt like spraying chemical irritants to disrupt their gatherings, then suspension is warranted. If they threatened others or targeted them for assault and harassment out of racial or political animus, they should be expelled.

The same goes for throwing rocks through windows of the Administration building or breaking tables and damaging cafeteria equipment. Suspension is warranted until they pay for repairs and they should be on probation for the rest of their time at the university. If they attempt to cause, or succeed in causing, more significant damage, then they should be expelled.

There should be consequences for being disruptive, but the punishment should be scaled to the severity of the offense.

 

[Jarhyn]

Looks like the 1st amendment is just straight up dead now.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Nothing is too draconian for conservative dipshits.

Given the nonsense Columbia/Barnard have been dealing with since last April, I do not think expelling three students (one for expelled since, for taking over Hamilton Hall last Spring) is draconian at all.

And it's the universities that have been a big part of creating messes like this.

I've talked about how the Democratic party needs to put forth a big effort to get back in touch with the people, and there are ways to do that. What I haven't been able to come up with are any solutions to fix the university system(s) that are so extremely left wing so as to create an environment in which this shit is not just acceptable, but tacitly encouraged.

I went to college late in life and came out with a much better understanding of reasonable complaints made by conservatives. I'm not talking about the crazy shit they come up with, but the farcical horseshit foisted on young people e.g. Jamie Lee Curtis is a man and that I'm an oppressor based purely on my skin color. It's a true visiting the sins of the fathers on the sons type of nonsense.

 

[Politesse]

If it sounds like bullshit, that's because it is. Why do you believe what you see on tv over what you saw with your own eyes? Did your degree expire so thoroughly that you've now forgotten how to think entirely?

"Tacitly encouraged" with violence and expulsion dealt out to anyone who says anything of the sort? With that kind of "encouragement", who needs persecution?

 

[ZiprHead]

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Looks like the 1st amendment is just straight up dead now.

At least he specified "illegal protests".

 

[Jarhyn]

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Looks like the 1st amendment is just straight up dead now.

At least he specified "illegal protests".

He will then proclaim them as illegal by executive order, whenever they protest against his actions.

Keep in mind the cops protect masked Nazis all the time, even helping screen the box trucks they use as mobile changing rooms and site access.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

If it sounds like bullshit, that's because it is. Why do you believe what you see on tv over what you saw with your own eyes? Did your degree expire so thoroughly that you've now forgotten how to think entirely?

"Tacitly encouraged" with violence and expulsion dealt out to anyone who says anything of the sort? With that kind of "encouragement", who needs persecution?

I have no idea what you're on about. Maybe you'd like to better articulate what the hamster on the wheel in your head is trying to say?